Fuck You, Michael Vick

ESPN's legal coverage, which does a pretty good job of breaking down the trial aspects.

According to the indictment, Vick was in the middle of everything from beginning to end. He purchased a vacant piece of property for $34,000, the indictment says. He then had sheds built for training dogs and staging fights and a fence erected to shield the operation from view. And finally, the indictment says, he had a two-story frame house with a basketball court put up as a residence for the people taking care of the dogs. If you believe the indictment, the Vick property had everything anyone could want in a dogfighting operation.

seriously, if he did it, fuck this guy.

the feds are not going to build a high profile case like this without the goods. Vick is going down, and hopefully Arthur Blank will be able to cut him loose from the Worst Contract Ever.

Fucking dog killer.

Sometimes when you get a shitload of money it's a good idea to move past the crappy world you lived in before.

he was "keeping it real"

total scum bag

No, he wasn't. There are a TON of professional athletes, black men, and men raised in rural America who don't engage in the wholsale torture and slaughter of animals. This is not "keeping it real." This is keeping it crazy.

a note about Qyntel Woods, who's house was raided and who was suspended from the Trailblazers 3 years ago in a dogfighting investigation.

and the case of LeShon Johnson

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no, i agree this guy is wacked for being involved in this at all. to even tolerate or associate with the creeps that do this sort of thing is despicable

You know, it's possible to (rightly) bag on the dude w/out having to make leading horseshit comments about him "keeping it real" or "(moving) past the crappy world (he) lived in before". Tho if we're going to be quoting that walking sack of ignorant shit Colin Cowherd, then by all means, let's go there, because it'll be a step up from dealing w/ the spew that asshat spits out.

THANK YOU BLAM

(for the xpost, that is)

A leading horseshit comment?

What a douche

David R or Vick?

I wonder how many of the smaller players made beeline yesterday to US Atty's office to trade testimony for immunity.

this is interesting, from the AP newswire a month ago:

Nike Turns Down Request to Sack Vick

19 June 2007

Nike has no plans to dump Michael Vick from its roster of celebrity athletes, turning aside a request from the national Humane Society to cut ties with the Atlanta Falcons quarterback over alleged ties to dogfighting.

I bet they'll be dropping him now.

Honestly I think that Nike is doing the right thing see: Duke rape case. Like to see some actual evidence, nowatimean.

read the indictment.

I think Nike is a company white people who read newspapers stopped buying products from about a decade ago, with the exception of golfers, who are their own class of shitbags and could care less about dogfighting. Oh, demography.

thank you, WSFA-TV in Montgomery, for running that particular graphic to accompany this story.

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i don't think you can't really compare this to the Duke case.

No, you can't, for one thing, Michael Vick is a black quarterback, cf the Wilbon article on how big this actually is in terms of context and circumstances

xxxx - yeah but an indictment is a charge, not a trial.

xx - Yes, you can compare it to the Duke case because charges were brought (as in this case) and there has been no trial (as in this case). I'm sure that the evidence is much stronger, but it must run its course, mustn't it?

Nike sells shitloads of product to white people who read newspapers. Check out their market share sometime when you get a chance.

Fuck Mike Wilbon, that water-carrier for #23 and general know-nothing asshelmet whose greatest legacy is that he isn't Stephen A. Smith.

LOL this is exactly like my moving violation indictment!

I agree about Cowherd. For the most part, I disagree with his politics or his desire to even inject politics into sport. BUT - I had to say that the grease fire comment made me laugh out loud for a few good minutes.

Reading that indictment this morning made me want to go and hug my dog. Jesus, that shit is disgusting to me.

I'm not white but I read newspapers, and I don't buy Nikes. What does that really say about me? I believe that means I'm acting white.

mike wilbon is one of the better shit shovelers in the business, regularly shows up kornheiser on PTI, and I'll not have you impugn his marginal reputation.

My point, don, is that people who are all "fuck michael vick" about this already don't buy nike shit for about 1000 other reasons.

Tho i should say that my own father, golfer/tiger woods fan/ex-golf-coach, would probably go after some of these dogfighting guys with his nike-brand clubs.

I don't think so. Tomboto said he wouldn't.

wow this has to be a record # of posts for a thread going from 0 to stupid.

ok ok I withdraw my hasty marketing generalizations based on a deep-seated dislike of country club members and my own anecdotal evidence of hardly seeing anybody of any race color or creed wearing nike sneakers anymore

Yeah - can we get back to "Fuck Michael Vick?" What a fucking monster.

Still a discouraging sign: the amount of ear-docking i saw at this local breeder show in Camas on saturday. A blue pit puppy with ear stitches is a horrible sight.

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not to say that country club members don't have their own problems. I'm kinda curious about what the sports coverage of this will be, in terms of focusing on the crime or how this fucks over the team. Hey PP, you're at a sports talk station, right? Have the callers been talking about this yet?

dogs are way better than people.

also: I saw a guy and his kid with a puppy that had its ears bandaged up from docking on Monday. I really wanted to yell at him but didn't due to presence of kid.

Only white people do that.

I'm kind of not as emotionally responsive as I thought I might be, which is probably from watching too many episodes of Animal Cops and becoming jaded, but I am with some other folks like Wilbon in just being shocked at how somebody in his position could be this stupid and dishonest about the entire thing from the word go. We sure pay some dumb mother fuckers a fuck ton of money in this country.

I hate docking so much. EARS ARE CUTE, PEOPLE.

However, yes, "total grease fire" should be liberated from its source, it's too hilarious an insult.

I'm pretty surprised he couldn't find something better than killing animals to spend his money on.

oh I could never watch Animal Cops, i'd just want them to taze everybody. Or freak out like Beavis: "give 'em the chair! YEAH! the chair! the chair!"

It would be bad enough for Vick and his sponsors if it was just the dog fighting - but the things described in the indictment are some Jeffrey-Dahmer-as-a-child serial killer shit. Once people see the details more - how do you outrun electrocuting and hanging animals?

Charges dropped isn't enough, you need to be completely and totally "I was in another country!!!" exonerated to rebuild your career after that.

There will be none of that. You think that if everything is proved there will be a lifetime ban from the NFL? That would make me laugh and laugh.

Fuck this guy. I am trading him off of my team in Madden as soon as I get home.
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Fuck this guy. I am trading him off of my team in Madden as soon as I get home.
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Fuck this guy. I am trading him off of my team in Madden as soon as I get home.
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Fuck this guy. I am trading him off of my team in Madden as soon as I get home.

One time there was this horse on a farm that literally had a hole through its neck. Like, not an open wound. It had been an open wound at some point and then just healed around the wound so that the horse stopped being topologically equivalent to every other horse.

<i>There will be none of that. You think that if everything is proved there will be a lifetime ban from the NFL? That would make me laugh and laugh.</i>

Are you kidding? Do you follow sports?

this thread brought to you by Rupert Murdoch and the News at 10

You don't believe that if he gets 6 years for a felony conviction that they wouldn't ban him?

Wilbon's comments are interesting, if not somewhat shallow - probably written quickly with a deadline in mind. I am upset that I can't go home and watch PTI this afternoon.

His comments about this being a HUGE deal for the league is dead on. This guy was one creative head coach away from being a legend. Insanely fast, rocket of an arm, not totally incapable of running an offense. And he was playing in Atlanta, not a small, backwater of a town. He was on the cover of Madden NFL in 2004.

And, unlike a person with substance abuse or mental health issues, this guy has derailed a FABULOUSLY profitable business with WILLFUL behavior! That is cruelly harmful to animals that were raised with the express purpose of being harmed. And he has lost, regardless of the eventual outcome of the case, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Think about that - I got a ticket for running a red light, and it meant I couldn't get a new iPod for a few months. This guy allegedly ran a very sophisticated dog fighting enterprise, and he won't be able to buy that new island he'd been looking at. What a douche.

You know, what this makes me think of is that Big Boi from Outkast has a pit bull kennel, too. I hope to God Almighty that he isn't involved in this or another dog fighting scene. It will cause me to seriously hate him, as well.

And yes, despite his ability to DEMOLISH teams out of play action sets, I want no part of this lunatic. He is OFF the team.

suit, you made it sound like NOTHING would happen to Vick if convicted!

you are rather seriously overrating michael vick's quarterbacking ability.

Oh so if I know someone that's basically morally equivalent to operating a dog-fighting ring.

is snarky middle-schooler yr only rhetorical mode, alex?

― kanellos (gbx), Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:36 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

Also I'm pretty sure the percentages of people with hunting licenses is pretty low nationwide.

wtf is yr point

its like yr arguing with me just because

Can I say agree that it's not the same as hunting for sport while at the same time saying the I find hunting for sport pretty grotesque as well?

Is this your only point, that these two things are not the same as each other? Because I don't see anyone making the case that they're the exact same thing as each other.

Some people are arguing that there's a lot of animal cruelty in our culture that is pretty much ignored while the (admittedly heinous) act of dogfighting is prosecuted and probably because of stuff like race/class/culture. If your point is that dogfighting is not the same as farming animals for food or hunting bears then you're not really dealing with the argument on any level, unless the level is "hunting isn't a problem at all."

again, the only 'point' here is that eating hotdogs and hunting are not that far removed from dogfighting, and that accepting that, accepting yr own complicity in other horrible shit, might be instructive and/or beneficial to society inasmuch as it might mean a more sane approach to how we sentence ppl

xp mordy otm

My basic point is that this "we are all just like Michael Vick if we really look at our own animal murdering lives doesn't it make you think" thing is nonsense. There is no equivalent in most people's day-to-day lives with his actions and again for most people there is no hypocrisy in finding his actions totally repellent.

how is it nonsense! you keep leaving that part out!

I think it's good for people to examine how they contribute to negative cultures, even if they aren't participating in the most disgusting forms of those cultures.

"Some people are arguing that there's a lot of animal cruelty in our culture that is pretty much ignored while the (admittedly heinous) act of dogfighting is prosecuted and probably because of stuff like race/class/culture."

Okay so is Michael Vick really the best example of this? I mean I'm not saying that this is wrong (honestly I don't know how often dog-fighting rings are busted and/or how aggressively they are prosecuted and I would be interested in the stats) but I think the main reason why Michael Vick was singled out is because he is really famous. I guess that sucks for him, but at the end of the day he's still really rich so....

Although I guess he wouldn't be rich if some people had their way and he wasn't allowed to play in the NFL or have BET reality shows so...

"how is it nonsense! you keep leaving that part out!"

There is no equivalent in most people's day-to-day lives with his actions and again for most people there is no hypocrisy in finding his actions totally repellent.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, December 30, 2010 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think anyone is calling anyone a hypocrite for finding his actions repellent. That's just a strawman.

Actually Dennis Perrin was way above, but hopefully we can all agree he's an idiot.

xp right, exactly. no one's saying that you should feel like a monster for eating meat or w/e, just that examining precisely how dogfighting and other forms of 'acceptable' cruelty are related to each other is probably a worthwhile or instructive activity. you can still eat meat and w/e, but doing so does put you on the same spectrum as vick. yr more removed, but at the end of the day, something horrible happens to a sentient creature who is capable of suffering, and you had a hand in it.

which, to me, at least, seems like a way to investigate why it is we decided to nail vick as hard as we did, and what that means

Except Morbius, of course.

i had lamb for lunch, btw

youre off my madden squad

its cool, i throw like a girl anyway

"seems like a way to investigate why it is we decided to nail vick as hard as we did, and what that means"

It definitely means the Federal Government does love making high profile examples of people.

i'm playing madden at this very second with vick and anyone who plays as the iggles and doesn't play him is doing themselves a huge disservice

Anyone who plays the iggles at Madden is horrible person though.

or an iggles fan

Same diff.

if you weigh the inequity of vick being in prison while ted nugent walks around free, it probably does less harm to society than giving vick a pass (and I suspect in many ways, he got a pass anyway).

I think we investigate why it is we decided not to nail Ted Nugent as hard as we could have, and what that means.

vick you, michael fuck

With all this talk about meat I read "Ted Nugent" as "Ted Nugget". In any case I'm a veg but when you eat meat you're not supposed to beat up an animal for hours or tear its skin off. I understand animal activists feel differently, but with dogfighting the violence is entertainment.

lolol @ bill magill upthread

Is he still around? With that screen name, I mean.

wheres the thread where bill magill brings up paying for prostitutes

Yeah that's important shit, better find it.

this thread is all about how draining sarcasm from your posts would make them right

Fine it's on the Ever Been With A Prostitute thread.

I don't think anyone is calling anyone a hypocrite for finding his actions repellent. That's just a strawman.

― Mordy, Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

the system perpetrated a hypocritical act in locking this guy up
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 December 2010 05:09 (17 hours ago)

there IS some hypocrisy in getting up in arms about what vick did and then turning around and enjoying a nice ribeye

― dayo, Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:53 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark

Yeah but no one else.

Vick basically took animal cruelty to the highest level possible, and dude got 2 years in prison. It's not like he got the death penalty while hunters get parades and free blowjob machines.

Jeez what do you crazy puritans have against blowjob machines. They aren't a big deal. Get over it.

okay, so apparently some people are arguing that. it's a silly argument.

christ this thread is full of extremes.

I think what Vick did was wrong, and the punishment was fitting, but on the other hand I too don't agree that 'illegality' equates directly to morality (my point about the hunting being 'legal' was to point out Vick was aware of the laws he was breaking).

I think what he did was heinous but I think he paid his debt in jail. I wouldn't rush to call him a sociopath, and just feel dude should be able to get on with his life. What's wif so many of y'all talking past each other?

many xps, but I'm aware of very little 'sport hunting' where the meat isn't eaten - even when it's coyotes and prairie dogs, you're dealing with predator and vermin control. Not saying there isn't pure bloodsport hunting... but it's much rarer than people with little experience with hunting or firearms tend to assume. Even on bullshit white hunter African safaris, the game-meat is generally shared with local people, AFAIK.

Yeah I can't imagine why people would feel differently about animals kept as pets and animals not kept as pets. So illogical.

he was bein sarcastic.

Are bears normally eaten or what?

mcdonald's tried implementing them into their dollar menu iirc

really gotta give my congratulations to alex in sf itt

Aww I'm kinda touched.

http://espn.go.com/videohub/video/clip?id=8210940&categoryid=2378529

go get a blog at the corner, dipshit

putting him back on my Madden Team