Stan Lee - Classic or Dud? (RIP NOVEMBER 2018)

The man is a genius. As far I'm concerned, beyond classic.

jel, kindly stop mind-melding with me!

Excelsior!

Was his name a real name?

Or merely a pun on "Stanley"?

Stanley Lee sounds odd. Kind of like a verbal stumble.

Stan Lee (born Stanley Martin Lieber on December 28, 1922[1])

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

(Although I hear not everything on that website is 100 percent reliable.)

Cheers. I'll be serious from now on.

He's the Ronald McDonald of comic books.

Mang you got to love this pic at least:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Stan_Lee_1973.jpg

Mr. Schwarzenegger has also joined the comic book creator Stan Lee in developing a children’s cartoon series, “The Governator,” based on his political adventures.

jesus christ someone put a bullet in this fucking guy already

which one?

lol - either/both take yr pick

Lee's love child far less likely to see any cash come his/her way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A1yJZKDwIRE

^^^interview w Jack Kirby on his 70th bday. amazingly, Stan Lee calls in at the end and they argue about who did what

smell like Funky Flashman

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/stan-lees-universe-c-v-r.html

“fresh and sophisticated fragrance for the adventurous with blends of bergamot, ginger, white pepper, basil, and violet and features layers of cedar, vetiver and musk accords.”

Exsmellcior!

Ward's link is p good, evenhanded treatment (altho I'm not sure why it was written at this particular point in time)

yeah it was very well-written and interesting!

#BREAKING: Legendary Comic-Book Writer, Publisher and Film Producer Stan Lee Has Died. R.I.P. https://t.co/SXjlavNILF

— TMZ (@TMZ) November 12, 2018

man in 1981 he already looked 95!

basically as soon as he switched to the toupee he looked the same age forever

rip big man, heaven needed more funky flashman cosplay

Add RIP to title mods :(

Stan Lee, Creator Of Beloved Marvel Character Stan Lee, Dead At 95 https://t.co/jl9zSnwsXv pic.twitter.com/xE9D9plvqU

— The Onion (@TheOnion) November 12, 2018

wonder how long they've had that one in the chamber

I appreciate his obvious enjoyment at playing a melancholy putz in every Marvel cameo

And his beautiful, instantly recognisable old-new-york-jew voice

Rest In Peace Effendi!!!

i was rereading some old vietnam-era daredevil and there was this two-page section where he effortlessly negotiated both "respect the troops" and "stop the war." brought a tear to the eye. bless you, stan lee.

eh, he'll be back in Infinity War 2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr4RniQXQAA5TCS.jpg

rip, loved him as lord summerisle in the wicker man

With Lee and Ditko both gone this year, these are the only people I know of who contributed to Marvel Comics in the 1960s and are still alive:

Joe Sinnott
Larry Leiber
Roy Thomas
Denny O'Neil
John Romita
Sal Buscema
Jim Steranko
Neal Adams
Tom Palmer

Marie died two months ago, too

Larry Leiber
Roy Thomas

my local paper growing up credited strip authors for years and years after they were dead. wonder how long the ghosts stay hidden on Spider-Man?

I was wondering about that too - I'm guessing they have a stockpile of 'Stan Lee' Spidey dailys still to run, but it would be weird if they carried on crediting Lee forever afterwards (tho not unprecedented). I have no idea how popular or otherwise the Spidey strip is, but as it's been going for 40 plus years (and is one of the few remaining non-funny newspaper strips) I suppose it's successful enough not to just cancel it.

And yes, Marie Severin too - I was never a fan of her artwork, which maybe accounts for my oversight, but she's obviously a significant figure in the Marvel story. I guess it's good that most of the main Marvel players did at least live long enough to give some fairly in-depth interviews, Ditko obviously excluded (and also Tom Palmer, who was very young when he started working for Marvel in the 1960s, and seems extremely reticent when it comes to interviews and so on).

One wonders whether Roy even has a contract with the syndicate, vs one with Stan.

You've probably seen on the interweb those very recent photos of Roy visiting Stan one last time (apparently they're the last ever photos taken of Lee) - Funky Flashman and Houseroy, together 4ever.

I hadn’t, but googling brought up Roy breaking kayfabe (and sounds like he has been contracted directly for some years now, without even the nominal figleaf of telling Stan about the stories)

i was rereading some old vietnam-era daredevil and there was this two-page section where he effortlessly negotiated both "respect the troops" and "stop the war." brought a tear to the eye. bless you, stan lee.

― Thus Sang Freud

would love to see this if anyone can find an image scan

His Bullpen Bulletins are where his true legacy lies, imo. I believe a compilation of them was printed at some point.

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This is the Viet Nam issue of Daredevil that I think Thus Sang Freud is talking about - beautiful Gene Colan and George Klein artwork, Stan at his bleeding heart best:

http://www.idoc.co/read/64280/-daredevil-47-brother-take-my-hand/1

Pretty sure the Bullpen Bulletins were also ghostwritten after the 60s.

I believe a compilation of them was printed at some point.

about ten years ago Marvel did a collection of Stan's Soapbox columns, benefiting the Hero Initiative, so that a couple of artists whom Stan had denied fifty years of royalties could afford one doctor's visit

Might be a case of 'too soon', but I'm surprised I haven't seen more of this quote from the great Bernard Kristein on Stan Lee... from 1965:

"I was delighted to learn that Lee has attained the status of an authority in the comics field. Twenty years of unrelenting editorial effort to suppress the artistic effort, encourage miserable taste, flood the field with degraded imitations and polluted non-stories, treating artists and writers like cattle, and failure on his part to make an independent success as a cartoonist have certainly qualified him for this respected position."

Might be a case of 'too soon'

nah

amazing, never seen that before AFAIR

I'm unaware of when Krigstein and Lee may have crossed paths?

Glad to see that even death is no bulwark against the unbridled vitriol we all feel for the Pol Pot of comicsdom.

I mean, small world back then but I dunno the particulars

xp

Krigstein did a lot of work for Atlas in the 1950s, he was definitely speaking from bitter experience.

I can’t deny Lee’s dark side - but imagine receiving this letter:

My proudest moment! Stan Lee writing to Marvel UK with words of praise for the first issue of Death's Head. Nuff said! pic.twitter.com/origCdv0pw

— Simon Furman (@SimonFurman3) November 13, 2018

honestly surprised and pleased to see that, the first indication I've ever come across that Stan ever read a comic book after moving to California

Friend of mine saw Stan pay a royal visit to the Marvel UK offices at about the time of that letter. Apparently Stan was very impressed by Judge Dredd, and wanted to know why Marvel UK weren't it.

This, btw, is an (extreme) example of the kind of manic sub-divisioning that Krigstein was doing to Stan's rudimentary scripts (or more likely, plot outlines, as per 'the Marvel Method') at Atlas - 75 panels for a four-page story, obviously knocked out at great speed, but so full of energy - looks very modern, to me, still

https://www.lambiek.net/artists/image/k/krigstein_b/krigstein_uncannytales.jpg

^Marvel UK weren't PUBLISHING it.

Krigstein was a goddamn genius

presumably that's been toned for a b&w reprint? looks fantastic while clearly being drawn for colour

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This is the Viet Nam issue of Daredevil that I think Thus Sang Freud is talking about

xxxxxpost yep, that's the one.

I got that page from the Lambiek website. Krigstein definitely applied zipatone to many of his EC stories, which were all printed in colour of course, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tinting was on the original art (long since lost, I would guess)