Favourite Literary Critics

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the pinefox, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

By the way - I've been meaning to ask this one for a while, but rereading Lionel Trilling's Beyond Culture has driven me to it. I love these old fellows with their long grammatical sentences and dry, polite put-downs.

the pinefox, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Vladimir Nabokov's collections of critical essays (On Russian Literature, On Literature, select essays in Strong Opinions) are choice. Especially his (well-deserved) slagging of Dostoyevski in On Russian Literature. The introductory essays Nabokov wrote for many of his books are also priceless (esp. the ones for Invitation to a Beheading and Lolita).

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Anthony Burgess off the top of my head.

anthony, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

As mark s pointed out elsewhere, Leslie Fiedler is great: Love&Death in the American Novel is an epic mad book, which still stands up. Fiedler was drawing on the tradition of Lawrence's Studies in American Literature, which is also marvy. Talking of Lawrence, I recently read Geoff Dyer's Out of Sheer Rage, and it made me think Dyer might be one of the few good British critic/writers of his generation. Ian Sansom in the Guardian and LRB is reliable. Our old friend Steve Connor is intriguing but maybe too hard for my feeble brane. I also love Camille Paglia's Sexual Personae, but I hope to god she never finishes the sequel, supposedly on "popular culture", which promises to be even worse than Ruth Padel's I'm a Man.

stevie t, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like Nabokov's book on Russian lit too, but past the time when I was an English major I haven't really read much well-known lit crit. It always makes me mad. I read some Harold Bloom once and it made me want to kick him.

Josh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

'Marvy'? 'MARVY'???

It looks like I get to be the first person to type the words

ROLAND BARTHES

after all.

the pinefox, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh yeah, he's ace. Never read any of his lit crit proper but A Lover's Discourse is GRATE.

Josh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I try and put most critics behind me after my grad school experiences. Just to relax a bit. ;-) What I know of Shaw's work as a critic, though, I love, while Richard Rorty's work is quite fine.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I completely agree about those Nabokov essays. The attack on Dostoevksi is priceless. Nabokov is such fun when he's being a pissy little elitist.

If we're just talking about entertainment value, there's no one quite like Baudrillard. Restraint is a totally foreign notion to him.

Gotta love Judit Butler, though I wish someone would teach her to hold back from writing EVERYTHING in rhetorical questions.

Toby, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Whatever one thinks about Baudrillard, he is not a literary critic.

I like Rorty as a philosopher, but I don't think he's particularly good on literature.

Frank Kermode: Search & Destroy.

the pinefox, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

One thing in particular stuck out about the Nabokov: his insistence on going over so many factual details, reconstructing settings, etc. I dig that, even though I find it tedious to do myself.

Josh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh, what he is/is not depends on how narrowly you want to define things.

Josh, I agree. A vanished approach, in a sense a bit like an ideal book report.

Toby, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

One of many advantages studying higher mathematics as a teen: you don't get bored with literary critics. I lurved Bloom, and used him like craxzy as a young rock critic (didn't ever mention his name, tho I did use the word PSYCHOKABBALISTIC — poss. abt the Fall, since I can't IMAGINE who else it would have made sense abt, and bac then making sense still made sense). I still rate The Anxiety of Influence and A Map of Misreading: and Agon is a good super-odd way to approach Freud. I have a yen to use his book about Angels and the Millennium for something.

Brits will think me insane, but Tom Paulin is good on paper (he's good on TV too, but only because he is drunk and daft: his opinions abt are plainly of no consequence): cf piece on Defoe in the recent LRB. His essay on Ian Paisley in his collected writings is FANTASTIC.

Luc Sante is good. George Steiner used to be good, but is now shit.

Kermode's review of Pynchon's Vineland was a bit of a Pinefox-oid classic (given that its his imprimatur which still sits there on the bac of Lot 49): he knew there were abt a thousand political and/or pop cultural refs he was missing per page, but a. He still read gamely and diligently to the end, then b. Protested mildly that it might for some be a little, um, taxing, in regard to NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK TP WAS GOING ON ABT HALF THE TIME (only he put it nicer than that).

mark s, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I studied higher math as a teen and plenty of critics bore me, yo. (What does the math have to do with it, anyway?)

Josh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Sorry: I kind of didn't complete that thought. When you're MADE to read [x] who you're maybe not in sync with, but have to write five essays on, then chances are you get put badly off. All my lit crit reading was delicious prevarication: so I just picked up what *I* needed from it, w/o having to puzzle what some nitwit examiner needed. That's all. Maths signif only because essays don;t feature AT ALL (tho as I switched to maths and philosophy after a year this is a weak argt in ref me...)

mark s, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ah, I see. I am more suited to doing that now - reading for usefulness to me - but still the crap theoretical underpinnings and wack critical ideas piss me off.

Josh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

re. Baudrillard again: yes, of course, distinctions are fluid, people cross genres, Baudrillard has been influential on many literary critics, etc. But he really belongs on an imaginary thread called FAVOURITE POSTMODERN SOCIOLOGISTS or something. For this thread I had in mind people who'd written quite a bit about Literature, assuming anyone can agree about what that is. I don't think I've seen JB analyze a literary text; but then I only really know the tip of his iceberg.

Kermode: that sounds great. I've only ever seen the Imprimatur, not the review.

Steiner... I don't know - does he ever get better or worse? I mean, he's been knocking out the old [Kamp Kommandant / Beethoven Paradox] for about 40 years now.

I don't care for Bloom, I'm afraid. But he is the only critic I know of to have said that The Shadowy Waters was near the apex of Yeats' achievement.

Have been reading late Leavis. Readable, but in a way it's self- parodic (Life, always Life), and peculiarly unilluminating about actual texts (This is Great. This is not Great). I have always thought that the notional association of FRL with 'close reading' was a bit of a red herring. Much of his (worst) work doesn't contain nearly enough close reading.

Kermode Search: Romantic Image? The Classic? Some of the Modern Essays. The one on the Modern, the one on censorship. I reckon he's probably better on TSE than FRL is, too.

For strange critical spectacle of Kermode on working-class fiction, cf. History & Value (1988).

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like the people who write in to Amazon.com

tarden, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

As an honest egotist on this question, I am the only lit critic that I can stand. Perhaps I've just read poor ones, but I find what I have to say a book usually infinitely more interesting than anyone else. Note that this holds only for literature. Also, I like specific novelists who tend to attract stupid critics, which probably adds to this problem. Non-lit critics who write well about lit do exist, however. They are novelists. Gass on language is sheer delight. Mailer on his contemporaries, likewise.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Alison Lurie. Samuel Delany is one of the best [meaningless word alert] "pomo" crits: possibly cuz he actually writes SF, fantasy and porn in their own right – blimey, that was a very This-Is-Real thing for me to say. Which brings me to Baudrillard: the only cultural operator in the whole wide world whose oeuvre seems to me plausibly soup-to- nuts a GIANT FUCK-YOU GAG (esp.given his roots): JB by obvious decision NEVER writes abt something concrete someone else might have done — everything is an abstract, from America to death. T.Paulin I meant to say is inconsequential on TV re MOVIES he's been asked to review. Nabokov I've never got with, fiction or non (no, I liked Pale Fire...). R.Williams can't really write, tho he was perceptive if you put up with that.

Steiner good I think before (and including) The Portage of AH to San Cristobal: eg On Difficulty, After Babel, Bluebeard's Castle. But lazy and tetchy thereafter: WHY AM I NOT AS FAMOUS AS JOHN LENNON?

Leo Bersani. Garry Wills.

mark s, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like Pale Fire too. What you say of Williams is too harsh. Paulin: the point for me is that he goes on Late Review and manages to *look* like he's slumming it - like he's cleverer than everyone else there but can't stay awake. But saying 'This book reminds me of Thomas Hardy' does not a good critic make.

Maybe he's good on Hazlitt, though. I don't know. I never got past the title of that book, which was enough.

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Paul de Man. Probably not a popular choice?

alex thomson, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Depends about how loudly you want to talk about the Nazis, Alex.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Prob. get stoned to death for this, but think Eagleton's 'Literary Theory: An Introduction' is a useful intro primer, v. partial but CLEARLY so - T.E. not compelled to mask his quasi-Marixst agenda (his bk on ideology a similarly handy gloss on subject.) Edward Said a true close reader of certain texts, esp. Kipling. Italo Calvino - better critic than author? Enjoy Gore Vidal and Alfred Chester when in full-on attack mode (Vidal also superb on Henry James.) Walter Benjamin not exactly a literary critic, but still deserves a mention. Todorov's 'Conquest of America' brilliantly treats history as a literary text to be picked apart.

Sure it was deliberate the way that Mark S glided from Delaney to Baudrillard. J.B. has never to my knowledge written literary crit, but all his 'theory' is not so much a meta-gag as an exercise in writing a kind of speculative science fiction abt the present ' condition' (J.G. Ballard big fan of Baudrillard, and sometimes the two of 'em sound almost identical - the long RE:search bk interview with Ballard incredibly prophetic abt 'the future', media, etc. etc.) In one interview I read with Baudrillard he almost admits that the effort of maintaining his 'theory' almost drove him mad - his best writing has the same kind of weird leaps of knowledge and logic that you find in prime Phillip K Dick, without any of the human empathy.

Andrew L, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Benjamin is enough on the margins of several fields that he counts as a literary critic, I think. Plus he actually did some - like "The Origins of German Trauerspeil" or whateva.

Josh, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think Walter Benjamin has to count as a literary critic if the term is going to mean anything -- there's all the stuff on brecht, baudelaire, proust and goethe as well as the dissertation on german romanticism and the Trauerspeil book. That said, I can't stand any of the people he writes about, so I've never been able to judge him as a critic. Does that open up a new angle? Can you appreciate the criticism of a book you really don't like.

I can list far more critics that I don't like than ones I do. Tops are Eagleton and Greenblatt. The Introduction to Literary Theory was where I first learnt about a lot of stuff that has been very important to me since. But I haven't had much luck persuading my students that it's either readable or worthwhile. Does anyone really believe that post-structuralism is best explained as having anything whatsoever to do with what literature people think of as 'structuralism'?

Paul de Man's work is breath-taking. Not just for its intellectual commitment and responsibility, but for its own literary qualities. The effects which de Man locates -- for example the play of blindness and insight -- and then performs within his own work should be essential matters of consideration for anyone studying literature. Not least, for their generally unacknowledged and far less rigourous dissemination amongst other forms of literary analysis with little regard for their most important themes. For example: the attack on historicism; the positioning of the critic relative to the text; the questioning of the notion of the aesthetic; the rhetoric of politics and the politics of rhetoric. I should also add that as a student of Derrida, I would have to agree with Rodolphe Gasche's comment that de Man has far less in common with Derrida when he uses the word 'deconstruction' than he does when he does not use the word 'deconstruction'; further, that Derrida's reading of de Man is not particularly de Man-ian either. So there's no sense in which as a 'deconstruction'-person, if such a thing were possible, I just like de Man on that basis. I have yet to set out to discover quite how much of his work is nicked from Blanchot, however.

alex thomson, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yeah, I think Eagleton = v.readable Coles/ Cliff notes to theory, so potentially very useful, except actually chock-full of quite subtle errors and distortions (which take ages to untangle and correct, with necessary pedantry that makes you easy target for the his acolytes: as ivory tower and unreal- world blah blah cf fracas on Objectivy vs Subjectivity on ILM sigh). (I was once at a party with someone which proposed TE should go to PRISON for his crimes against Lit Theory!! Meaning he was so often so dodgy..) Also I hate hate hate TE's way of cosying up to such-and-such a thinker before in the last paragraph leaping away and proving his "superiority". He says he's a marxist: I just think he's a player.

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Amusingly, given TE's status in UK HE (ie lots of people who haven't read the originals believe he is somehow a 'Marxist guru') in a response to an essay collection about "Specters of Marx" Derrida refuses even to comment on TE's contribution. His reasoning being something along the lines of 'Oh God I really thought all the ranting lunatic Marxists had given up and gone home, but no, our mate Tezza rambles on.' He comments at length on all the other contributions, even when they are unremittingly hostile and appear not to have read any of his work, and in the case of Gayatri Spivak's essay, when they contain a spectacular piece of distortion. (She translates a close approximation to 'We must repoliticise' as 'We won't repoliticise' or words to that effect.)

Reason I stopped reading TE: In "The Ideology of the Aesthetic" he cites a comment by Gramsci referring to Paul de Man's uncle as if it referred to Paul de Man himself. I only know it refers to his uncle not to him because TE cites it properly in an earlier text. This is not scholarship but fraud.

alex thomson, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Alex T: some of the stuff you have said above I think is dandy. But I MUST leap in like an armoured salmon after the BARMINESS of your last post.

The TE ref. to Henri de Man is a *********JOKE********. 100% a JOKE. There is a serious point here (as there often is with jokes), but he is NOT trying to get anyone to think that Gramsci was on about Paul de Man. Gramsci's work is mainly c.1920s, de Man's c.1970s!!! Who could possibly imagine that TE was committing 'fraud' here?? It is just a typical TE joke. I'll say that word in big letters one more time:

*****JOKE*****.

For what it's worth, I thought TE's review of Spectres of Marx was brilliant and spot-on. It's not about 'old Marxists banging on' - it's really about pointing out, in terms which you needn't be in the least 'partisan' to accept, why the book is a bad book. If JD's defence was to pretend that TE was just banging an old drum, rather than making cogent criticisms of him as a writer, then that reflects badly on JD.

I am not trying to defend everything TE has ever done or said, or say that one must endorse his political views, or anything. He is a hate- figure for many, and that can't be reversed. But his work has taught me more than that of a lot of other writers, of any kind.

Other points: I found myself agreeing with a lot of what Andrew L said. Yes, of course Benjamin was a literary critic. It would not be far wrong to say that he was more a literary critic than anything else (though 'intellectual' would do as a portmanteau word).

Is Calvino a better critic than novelist? I think so, but then I don't like If On A Winter's Night A Traveller....

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

pinefox, what literary criticism has calvino done? i know he's done some, but not sure what

calvino as author. if on a winter's night a traveller, i found to be very irritating. but calvino has written some good books. invisible cities, and our ancestors are both pretty good. the thing i don't understand about calvino is, all his books (that i've read at any rate) seem completely different - like you wouldn't think it was even the same author.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hmm. I will admit that I take stuff too seriously in general so I am prepared to admit that TE may well be having a laugh at PdM's expense. Thanks for pointing out my foolishness. ;-) Certainly if we compare PdM's jokes with TE's I think TE wins overall... Especially on that damn Archie Debunker nonsense at the start of "Allegories."

TE on "Specters". I'd have to re-read all the relevant material. I personally think "Specters" is one of JD's least successful books, but as so often with all these things it's a question of context. (il n'y a pas dehors de la contexte, perhaps). If I recall correctly, TE's review was originally published in New Left Review, ie one for the boys in his club. The collection put together by Sprinker was generally at least respectful if not always accurate so JD just sounds surprised to have been given TE's piece to read. (What surprised me was how much he and Jameson agreed with each other.) "Specters" was originally an invited conference paper and really doesn't stand up that well to the scrutiny it has received; "Politics of Friendship" for example is much better, because it proceeds in a much more roundabout route. Sadly, "Specters" doesn't make much sense unless read in the context of Derrida's other work of the time.

Which brings me back to my mis-reading of TE on PdM. I think my mistake is to have taken TE seriously, which is not often a bad thing as far as I'm concerned. Fraud was certainly too strong, but his book was published at a point in time when de Man's final lectures were already on the publishing schedule for U Minnesota Press, even if they didn't actually appear until 1996 (?). Without wishing to be a conspiracy theorist, I feel from the juxtaposition of the titles ("The Ideology of the Aesthetic" / "Aesthetic Ideology") that TE implies some kind of death-match -- in the same way that he explicitly pre-empts the deconstruction-influenced reading of Benjamin in his own book on WB. (And note that all the subsequent readings by writers literate in both Frankfurt School and recent French thought are a lot better works (A-G Duttman, Beatrice Hansenn, Eduardo Cadava etc., the Osborne and Benjamin collection 'Destruction and Experience', JD's "Force de loi".))

So back to context -- as an undergrad (from whence this misunderstanding dates) I obviously got TE wrong, which leads me to query not only my own reading competence, but also how well he signals this stuff. Maybe it just depends what side you're on. Again, I don't think there should be a taking of sides necessarily, but TE's work positions the work I am most sympathetic too as "the enemy" so I feel forced into it.

Thanks for the correction!

alex thomson, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Alex, if you're going to start doing bits of French, it has become urgent and key for me to know how to say "our mate Tezza rambles on" in French and to know I am being highbrow.

Tim, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Alex T:

1. I agree with you that in a way, de Man may have been the ultimate antagonist - the hidden enemy - in TE's IA. I'd forgotten that.

2. The Spectres / Specters review I'm thinking of appeared in Radical Philosophy, early 1996, and was reprinted, I think, in The Eagleton Reader (which - hey!- I don't own).

Can't stop, have to go to the, um, Adorno reading group.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Sigh. I wish I had an Adorno reading group to go to.

Was given the Eagleton to borrow from my prof when I expressed critical frustration in my first lit class as an undergrad. Book make me frustrated and angry, thought TE was a FULE. I doubt reading him now would improve my opinion, though it would probably make me more informed about how he is a fule.

Josh, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't think TE is a fule: I think he's very sly. Actually I think he's a ponce (= "lives off immoral earnings" = "inventing tendencies to denounce as a way of bigging up his academic market share"). The thing he wrote in the LRB on gothic was a disgrace. He DOES have a sense of humour, sort of.

Don't get me started on Jameson. Both of em approach radical critics the way smaller kewler foax approach pokémon. Neither of em are proper marxists. (Jameson reviewed SoM in NLR, didn't he?)

Did the pinefox somewhere say he had been taught by TE?: curiously — but why curiously? — I have always imagined TE might be a very GOOD teacher, in person. Possibly even grate fun.

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

No, I wasn't taught by him, except at the distance of writer / reader; though I have been taught, I suppose, by people who were taught by him.

I think you guys are wrong about TE and FJ. It makes me sad to see such invective from people like you (ie. highly intelligent people whose thoughts I read very frequently) against two bodies of work which have meant a lot to me. I would like it if you could be more measured, but I don't expect it. I hope I don't sound too irritated: it's just that I have something of a personal investment in their work, a little like TE used to say he had in RW's. It did something to help to teach me 'how to think', if I ever learned (or started learning).

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It's mostly uninformed invective, pinefox, don't sweat it. TE just left me too irritated to want to go back to read him more charitably. It was when I was about 18, after all. ;) To correct on the above, reading him now would change my opinion - I would probably thing he was wrong a lot but not a fule. At the time when I read a lot of literary theory a lot of it seemed foolish to me because I didn't appreciate their reasons for what seemed like otherwise sloppy reasoning (political values, pedagogical concerns, etc. etc.).

I'd still rather read Barthes though.

Josh, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm sorry, Pinefox, if I've given what appears to be simply a hostile response to TE's work. It was extremely important to me as well, so in a way I tend to over-react to some of his later work as a consequence. Killing the critical father and all that. I seriously doubt I would have just completed a PhD on Derrida's work if I hadn't read Eagleton when I did. Similarly, _The Political Unconscious_ was a major part of my literary training. However, the trajectory that Jameson and Eagleton helped set me off on -- which involves taking politics, history and theory seriously, has also taken me away from their work. Not in a gesture of complete rejection, since I still think the questions they are concerned with are some of the most important. Nevertheless, I now have profound philosophical disagreements with them, and increasingly (especially for TE) I disagree with their strategic (more or less scholarly) decisions. The TE review in question contains little evidence of having *read* _Specters of Marx_, in terms of the kind of reading which I would expect a diligent scholar to undertake. That this failure of reading should be excused on political grounds seems to me unacceptable. It seems to fall below the standards I have learnt, at least in part, from TE himself. As I mentioned above, I have actively encouraged my own students to read TE, and to engage with the issues his work foregrounds so effectively.

alex thomson, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

What Alex said, kinda: I really really admire TE's ability to be clear abt issues, but I think he uses it for "Evil" not "Good", ie merely to position himself careerwise in re academic marxism. And I agree with Alex abt TE's reading of Spectres (an enormously disappointing book in many many ways): it just wasn't intellectually honest.

I came on him somewhat late (did Maths and Philosophy when a student, then 10 years Applied Music Crit), so got caught up in the bad backwash, never had the unalloyed benefit of the Earlier Years.

mark s, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well, it's nice of you guys to be reasonable about this - thanks. But seeing as it keeps coming up, I will reiterate that the TE review of Spectres that *I* read (which I think must be the same one you did?) is the ONLY example I've ever seen in print of someone demonstrating that they'd actually read the book and responded to it in an appropriate ('honest') way.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

OK, I re-read the review this morning. (I'm presuming it's the same one that's reprinted in _Ghostly Demarcations_.) TE's main argument seems to be that JD's philosophising is fine but his politics are crude and simplistic. Secondary points are that JD has only turned to Marx now that it's uncool -- Marx has become so marginal he is acceptable to deconstruction; that Derrida's deconstruction has always been political and therefore better than Yale deconstruction; that Derrida is being opportunistic in turning to Marx now (where was he when we needed him); that the criticism of Fukuyama is a bit obvious really.

My major response to these criticisms, and I'm elaborating / drawing on Derrida's own response ('Marx and Sons'; see also _Marx en Jeu_) here, is a question of context. This is the text of a lecture which Derrida was invited to give. Yes he decided to accept, but the timing -- and the conference title 'Whither Marxism' -- were not his choice. Yes, Derrida himself comments in _Specters_ on the untimely timing of the lecture, but it is at least in part an attempt to re- invigorate "a certain spirit of Marxism" for precisely this reason. It is not, as TE implies, an attempt to claim Marx for deconstruction. Yes, the political position is sketchy, but a convincing context for _Specters_ can be constructed with the aid of the texts around it -- _Politics of Friendship_; 'Force of Law'; 'Passions' -- and Derrida's continued contestation of Heidegger. On this basis, _Specters_ can be made to make sense. I personally don't feel that the ideas are put over particularly clearly in this text, but there is a seriously interesting sketch of a deconstructive politics emerging in it, even if the questions of justice, hospitality, democracy-to-come, hauntology and the critique of historicism are all better presented elsewhere. TE concerns hinself with none of this, relying on anecdotal evidence and polemics instead.

TE is also slightly wrong about Yale deconstruction. I agree with the thrust of his argument, but Derrida has never disowned *anything* done under the name of 'deconstruction.' To do so would precisely undermine his claim that there can be no *proper* inheritance -- of Marxism, of Heidegger, of deconstruction. It's become common to oppose 'French' deconstruction to 'American' deconstruction, but this is generally too crude a division. Besides, the work of Nancy and Lacoue-Labarte, for example, while 'deconstructive' also diverges significantly from that of Derrida. There is certainly a Marxian problematic buried within de Man's work -- there is an essay missing from _Aesthetic Ideology_ on Marx; PdM's debt to Benjamin is crucial; there are interesting correlations between de Man and Althusser on 'ideology'. Moreover, you may not agree with Hillis Miller (I can't stand his work) but there is *a* politics to it.

The sad fact is that there is generally very little useful secondary commentary on Derrida's work. . I'm generally appalled by the standards of mis-representation from those unsympathetic to his work, and obfuscation by those who are sympathetic to it. _Specters_ is a frustrating but powerful text, but it should be approached with caution.

alex thomson, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The last paragraph was supposed to include this: [insert plug for 'not-yet-accepted' book on the politics of deconstruction]

alex thomson, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Can I take the above to mean that my wait for the French translation of "our mate Tezza rambles on" has been in vain?

Tim, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Notre camarade Tezza fait du discours incohérent, feh"

mark s, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

ce mec Eagleton -- quelle type!

alex thomson, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one year passes...
'feh'

I still don't have an adorno reading group (though would prefer a benjamin one).

Josh (Josh), Monday, 16 June 2003 06:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Did we ever mention Michael Wood?

the bellefox, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

What a good old thread!

I like de Man. It's funny how no-one mentions here the sort of books and essays you read when you're doing an English degree - the awesomer readings in those always amazed me more even than the sweeping general Bloom/ TE / Nabokov stuff. I love: Linda Charnes, Caroline Dinshaw, Robert Douglas-Fairhurst, Kenneth Gross, Empson of course, Sos Eltis, too many more.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

When I read Wood's essays in the New York Review of Books, I didn't get the impression, as I do reading his book, that he is a runner up to the title of GLE. I'm also curious about Empson. The quotation in the beginning brings to mind one of your themes, PF.

youn, Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Hugh Kenner on The Sound and the Fury (paraphrase): "It's ok to dislike it. There are things important beyond all this fedaddle."

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Empson.

Masked Gazza, Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Samuel Johnson. RW Emerson. Freud (what an interesting reader of Sophocles and Shakespeare). Bakhtin. Edmund Wilson. CS Lewis. Adorno (if his work counts as literary criticism). Borges. Barthes. Judith Butler. Harold Bloom (he tends to get ragged on, rightly so, but the depth of erudition is inspiring). Peter Brooks

larry blueberry, Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Dead: Edmund Wilson

Living: James Wood

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 February 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

empson has a curious style. i'm ploughing through 'argufying' which is good, but i had a hard time with 'ambiguity'. no career in espionage for me.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 February 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah early leavis is fucking great.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 February 2006 09:37 (eighteen years ago) link

A long time since I read them, but Octavio Paz's books of criticism were great at sparking off the imagination.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 2 February 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Gravel's category is a good one: lesser-known critics you have found good or valuable.

Youn: I think he is from Lincolnshire, if that's what you were getting at. He told me that he still comes back quite often to see his mother. That surprised me somewhat - I would hardly have guessed that she was alive. For his age, too, is perhaps deceptive in his writing - or so JtN has said.

JtN it was, too, who pointed us all towards Elizabeth Bishop, years ago. If only we'd heeded him then!

I am interested in the Kenner comment, but in a sense to paraphrase him is to lose a lot, for his style is distinctive and an important part of his critical identity. I suppose I am saying, I wish I had read the passage that Ryan is referring to.

the pinefox, Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're interested, it's at the very beginning of the last chapter of A Homemade World.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

No, this. But it's wonderful to know that he's from Lincolnshire. I was about to apologize cos now I think he's at Princeton, and I didn't know that he is an expatriate.

youn, Friday, 3 February 2006 01:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Borges' essays. After Theory (italicized) by Eagleton.

OK, so I've not really kept up on such matters and I have a general question regarding, not necessarily "literary," but media theory / philosophy in general: Have there been any useful developments in the area of rhetorical theory (of the Aristotalian model)? A short time ago, I was led to believe that there was a general trend toward such in certain circles and I am curious about the topic in general? Opinions? Suggestions?

Sexy MFA (Hexy M.F.), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Pinefox, last time we talked, you said that even though you'd just written a book on Joyce critics, you weren't much convinced by any of them. Did you say this, or am I misrembering it? Did you mean it?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Does everyone think the one-author-scope series-of-innovative-close-readings-to-argue a single (or clusteredly multiple) point format a good one? An optimal one?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

This was the one thread where we discussed Kermode. This review -
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n19/kerm01_.html
- I never liked it, but gosh, it's worse than I remembered.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link

as for Gregory Henry - a) I think lots of them said interesting and insightful things; b) not sure I get your second question. hey, it was 2006, everything was obscure.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Samuel Johnson
Keats' letters
T.S. Eliot
Edmund Wilson
Lionel Trilling
Edward Said
W.H. Auden
Cynthia Ozick
James Wood
Helen Vendler

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Some great people for sure, though I really did not like Vendler's little book on Heaney at all. I've not read much Ozick, might like her (started reading her on James once, in a bookshop in Rye I think), though I read an LRB review (of her novel?) once that made her sound like some kind of religious nut (as most religious people sound to me).

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Barthes
Woolf
Kenner
Eagleton
Wood, M
Wood, J
David Thomson, when he ventures into this terrain
Connor
Wilson & Trilling, yes, why not?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link

am kicking myself for never mentioning Janet Malcolm on this thread before

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link

In 2000 or so, I met Dale Peck at a reading and told him that I would love to read a book of his literary criticism, having particularly liked his Pynchon/Wallace essay in the London Review of Books. Wasn't a marketable idea then, but I'm definitely a fan of his essays.

Ozick as well. Adam Gopnik, actually.

Eazy, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I kind of went off Kermode when I read his memoir, can't remember what it was called.

moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

lionel trilling fans might like this passage from james fenton, on poetry that puzzles:

The trilling wire in the blood
Sings below inveterate scars
And reconciles forgotten wars.

What is a trilling wire? Some people have to know the answer. Others don't. (I think a trilling wire is a telegram people used to send to Professor Lionel Trilling, begging for his help in elucidating passages like these.)

joe, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I once dated an English professor that wrote herself a little singsong about all of her fave pomo/litcrits - I can still hear here weird vocal inflection whenever I see 'Derrida' 's name. That said - I'll second Sam Delany above as a good example of a writer who takes analysis elsewhere. Eagleton is a boring twit.

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Once my friend's kid mispronounced our other friend's wife Julia's name so it came out "Derrida."

moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I think my tastes in fiction roughly boil down to George Steiner and Edmund White.

Love to read Sam Delaney's criticism.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Kermode: Not Entitled.

Surely not offensive but not that fascinating either really.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I would like to use this place to express my amazement that as he approaches his 91st birthday Frank Kermode is still popping out articles on the regular.

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 8 August 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, idk how he does it. i saw him give a talk a few months ago -- like an hour-long talk -- and he str8 murdered it. for all the hype about people working and living longer, 91 is still hell of old, and most people i know of that age can't write a cogent post-it note.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Sunday, 8 August 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Susan Sontag? Sure she wasn't an academic and didn't specifically focus on Lit but oddly unmentioned in this thread.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 August 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I would like to use this place to express my amazement that as he approaches his 91st birthday Frank Kermode is still popping out articles on the regular.

― Merdeyeux, Sunday, 8 August 2010 19:39 (1 week ago) Bookmark

sadly not any more. r.i.p.

joe, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 11:46 (fourteen years ago) link

aw man

thomp, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 12:00 (fourteen years ago) link

:-(

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Kermode's Shakespeare's Language is probably one of my favorite books on Will. r.i.p. dude...

ranked #12 amongst 'false metallers' (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 20 August 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

I need a crash course in literary criticism: what it aims to do, what it can do (& what I can do with it). What should I read?

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

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