Space Invaders and Nuclear Destruction: WHo's zooming who?

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Discuss U.S. plans to build a missle defense system. Angry? Happy?

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why?!?!? What for?!?!? I mean, who are they expecting to be missiled by? The biggest threat to the US will be from *inside* the country. They fucking terrorised a generation with this "you are going to be blown up the scary Russians" arms race nonsense, when in the end, it came out that it was all a fraud perpetuated on the parts of the KGB and the CIA in order to justify the vast amounts of money spent on defense.

And for fucking what?

Just stop it. I don't believe them any more. It pisses me off and I want it to stop.

Kate the Saint, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Those damn Martians, I tell ya.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dubya saw Mars Attacks! and believed it to be a documentary.

Laura sighed wistfully and pretended she did not know him.

Nicole, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Someone has alot of buddies in defence.

anthony, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If Tony Blair allows Fylingdales to be used for this idiotic scheme, I'm certainly going to be up there protesting. And I'm not normally much of a protester, to give you some indication of how strong my feelings are about this.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wondering why people are surprised W's administration is following through with his dad's (& Reagan's) administration's aborted plans.

David Raposa, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Taking their cue from Madison Ave, the defense industry manufactures a fear and we open our wallets.

Be aware that Clinton tried the same thing but couldn't rig the tests enough to work so the idea was scrapped.

Steven James, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anthony and Steve got it exactly right -- this is a giant boondoggle, designed to funnel federal pork to the Bush Mob's pals in the defense industry. (The same way the whole California energy problem is a giant scam designed to enrich Bush Mob Texas oil cronies). Dick Cheney (don't kid yerselves, he and Poppy Bush are the two really running things they won't let Chimpboy do anything important) is that cynical and the Bush Mob is that greedy and arrogant.

Everything Chimpboy's mis-administration does is so fucking transparent.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bush has done everything he said he would do during his campaign. Of course if you dislike what he said on the trail then it's little consolation, but you know what's coming. Completely different from the last Administration.

Steven James, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

> Bush has done everything he said he would do during his campaign.

Tell that to Christie Whitman. I also remember Chimpy talking a lot about "being a uniter, not a divider," then going out and appointing the most partisan, divisive people he possibly could (John Asscrotch, anyone?)

> Completely different from the last Administration.

How exactly did Clinton lie about when he was campaigning? And no, I'm not talking about blowjobs from White House bimbo-interns.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not sure if Clinton lied during his campaigns (I was nice and drunk and wasn't paying much attention, so I should retract all statements) but it sure seemed like he was going in too many different directions to get anything done. Of course I think the US is more conservative now than even under Reagan so that didn't help. How's that for some insight?

I'd vote for Hanle y.

Steven James, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Back when I was young and idealistic, I wanted the nukes to fall, because we deserved it. So I wasn't scared (I was pleased).

Now I am old and cynical, I'm not scared either — because I know they certainly don't work. Mother of all corruption scandals: so big it won't even be parked up a don't-care side-alley as "______gate"; because those who believe he stole the elecition will cut him NO slack. Three years, I give it. One for the fucking honeymoon period; one for the journalists to get their stupid asses in gear; and one for the VERY shaky W coalition — the nutball zero-taxers are looking EXTREMELY ASKANCE at Star Wars II: This Time Money Changes Hands — to go to war with itself.

mark s, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't believe for a minute the system could possibly work, even with the most powerful computers etc etc at mankind's disposal. Think about how big the world is, how small a missile is in comparison and the speeds involved - the whole idea's some bad joke.

DG, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

join with me people - chuck in a fiver, let's rent a boat with a nuclear device and sail it up the hudson - if we break through the missile defence system (that incidentally australia seems to support, and will be a part of esp considering the yanks have bases here that even our PM can't enter) I'm paying for the champers as we watch the white house go boom.

Geoff, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the problem with tadeusz's analysis is that most of the power in california has been purchased from british columbia and the northwestern US, less than 10% from texas(and exactly when did Bush broker the foolish non-deregulation plan?). maybe bush is acting in concert with chretien to kill all the salmon in BC? the argument that the real threat is terrorists bringing a bomb in on a truck is not valid because why can't you defend your country from both threats? the chinese and north koreans both clearly view the US as an enemy and china already possesse ICBM technology. and this talk of an arms race being triggered is a bit silly, russia could never afford such expenditures. the 90s love of the treaty is very reminiscent of the time between wwi and wwii, when everyone was going around signing meaningless treaties that had nothing to back them up, much like herr clinton was fond of.

keith, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Um... will sailing it up the Hudson get it to the White House?

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There is no threat and there never has been: most of the "hi-tech" weapons in the gulf war didn't in fact work (any better than old fashion bombs - they could go somewhat farther, but they still went all over the place). The idea that Korea is a military threat is a MONUMENTAL JOKE OF BITTER AND HORRIBLE PROPORTIONS, and shows exactly how cynical the American Govt can sometimes be: North Korea is a starving theocracy with less ability to start a war than Iceland. Chinese technology is probably better today than Russian technology ever was during the Cold War (seeing as foax like Bush senior and Kissinger are so eager to sell over there), but their computer systems are and always must be rubbish, as long as they remain the kind of society they are. I have no idea what the mercantile geography of this monumental scam is, but that's what it is. (Why the hell China would WANT to start a war is a question best not asked: tho its system of choosing leaders is not designed to fast-track risk-takers...) The main terrorist threat in the US is from within, and is not to the point.

mark s, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm so bored with (this talk of) the U.S.A. Although Mark is quite right, as far as he goes.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hudson goes through washington dc, doesn't it?

Geoff, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Washington is on the Potomac. Sailing up the Hudson with enough devices you could, however, wipe out Kingston, Troy, Amsterdam and one of the Romes... Paris is in Texas, Athens in Georgia, London (and Manchester) in Kentucky, Berlin in New Hampshire and Cairo in Missouri...

It's a plan, anyway.

mark s, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Even though Mark S is the Smartest Man In The World, Official, I must do some upstate NY fact checking. Yes, you could take out Kingston, Troy (and Albany and most importantly, NYC) by sailing up the Hudson. To get the rest, you'd have to turn left at Schenectady and go up the Erie Canal.

None of this, however, is anywhere near DC which is, I think, the point.

Kate the Saint, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's official!!

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ahh, beautiful schenectady

Mike Hanley, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have you seen the latest

Sorry, not 'have you seen the latest nickdastoor@hotmail.com' but:

Have you seen the latest Bush Space Invaders plan?. It's enough to make you side with Nicky Wire.

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why are thy calling it "Son of Star Wars" when everyone knows that the sequel to STar Wars is "The (Evil) Empire Strikes Back". Or perhaps in this case "The Empire Strikes Pre-Emptively"

Pete, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...
It's probably on:

The Chinese military used a ground-based missile to hit and destroy one of its aging satellites orbiting more than 500 miles in space last week, an apparent test of anti-satellite technology that raised concerns about a possible arms race in space and drew sharp protests from other space-faring nations.

(There are other threads but I couldn't find 'em, so this'll do.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 January 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

For comparison, it isn't that hard to hit a satellite in a known orbit way outside the atmosphere vs. intercepting a ICBM in a 25 minute extra-atmospheric flight. (Nevermind a kill during ~9000 mi/hr / mach 10+ reentry.)

roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Let's find a NASA Recruitment Center and enlist. Bring on the space wars.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Friday, 19 January 2007 00:00 (nineteen years ago)


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