rolling 2007-2008 list thread for shit to keep romney from becoming president

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Unpromising anagrams:

Memory Tint (he's a flip-flopper, rewriting his record?)
Metro Minty (swish!)
Mime Not Try ("Phony" "lacks strength of character, toughness")
Mi, My, Rotten ("Rapacious Republican businessman")

With his full name the possibilities get really good but are too numerous to deal with. A preponderance of "Twirly" names spells doom. "Twirly Torn Dilemma" and "Wormy Tin Treadmill" are two early unpromising prophecies for his chances.

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=willard+mitt+romney&t=1000

so far my best bets are

* the dog thing
* 'my sons are serving by campaigning for me'
* 94 debate youtube

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0509.sullivan1.html

Unfair to have your religion weed you out, but any port in a storm, right?

fuck it i'll even take jon voights shitty movie if it fucks this dudes game up

What problem could the electorate possibly have with politicians from Massachusetts?

(Or New York City?)

the "brylcreem candidate"

just like his hair-helmet this guy is slick - he'll say anything to get elected

this last bit has the advantage of being true

"I was taking a wide stance. The chalupa made me gay." Wrong thread.

the fact that Romney doesn't believe it makes me feel better about him, actually

his persuasiveness disturbs me, but I don't think it's that significant - he's too Northeastern/analytical, which may prevent him from getting the nom or the win

I think he's likely to get the nomination. Who else will?

and what, the problem i have with using one of romney's only previously sane positions as a stick to beat him with is that it was the RIGHT position

also: it's not a crime to change your mind - if he really has come to believe that abortion is murder, then he should say so. but the heartfelt nature of that 1994 statement does raise the question: is there any position this guy WON'T change to get elected?

i think he's been pretty straightforward about his changing his mind

i do too - still, the question is there - is there any heartfelt position he wouldn't change his mind about? is it just coincidence that his change of heart is so politically expedient? it's a seed of doubt, that's all it takes sometimes. if it takes root, future policies will seem to fall into line. unfortunately, as the daily howler has been pointing out lately, "character problems" (i.e. "flip flopping"; "too ambitious"; "serial exaggerator" etc.) seem reserved only for democrats - it's hard pundit law

democrats and progressives need to decide NOW if this law is too inflexible to break this time around, and instead of attempting to define narratives about character that will never gain any traction (since they're aimed at republicans) speak simply to the issues that affect people's lives and draw contrasts with the republicans' usually hapless attempts to do the same

is fred thompson really less scary?

If you change your mind on that large an issue, you really need some time to think deeply about where you're at. This does not entail running for president one year later. Romney also changed his stance on gun ownership, so this is a radical shift. After 50-odd years, I expect people to not be so flighty. And if they're going to be, I expect them not to run for president.

I mean what does gun ownership have to do with abortion? Well, both are conservative hot-button issues. Do you still think that's sincere? And, if I were to vote for him, I have zero confidence that he won't revert.

Dems just need to chant "Flip Flop" at their convention while holding up giant pairs of flip flops--that seemed effective for the GOP in 2004.

mulla, read the last sentence of my first graf again and tell me how i'm wrong (i would LOVE to be!)

also: it's not a crime to change your mind - if he really has come to believe that abortion is murder, then he should say so. but the heartfelt nature of that 1994 statement does raise the question: is there any position this guy WON'T change to get elected?

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:51 PM

Clinton’s 1994 Omnibus Crime Bill expanded the application of the federal death penalty, including to crimes not resulting in death such as running a large-scale drug enterprise. Clinton remarked enthusiastically during his reelection campaign, "My 1994 crime bill expanded the death penalty for drug kingpins, murderers of federal law enforcement officers, and nearly 60 additional categories of violent felons."[128].

While campaigning for US President, Clinton returned to Arkansas to see that Ricky Ray Rector would be executed. Though Rector's IQ was not known, he was said to be profoundly retarded due to a lobotomy.

Thee Mormons Poll

gershy is that a reply to me? i think the death penalty is horrible, but clinton has been pro death penalty since before his first (failed) congressional campaign

i remember reading that he was not pro-death penalty during his first term as ark. governor, and that he "learned" his lesson after his defeat for re-election. this citation i found seems to back me up

"Ever since he lost the Governor's race in Arkansas after serving only one term, Clinton has made clear his support for the death penalty. Clinton returned to office as Governor in 1983, granted no commutations to anyone on death row, and presided over all four of the state's executions in the modern era."

but even if that's incorrect, you don't see the rector case as being practically the same thing wrt to "i'll do anything to get elected"? or coming from a slightly different angle, his "i will end discrimination against gays in the military" campaign promise as a token offer to mollify to the progressive wing of the party that was dropped almost the second he was sworn in.

the main point being, if you think this is mostly a republican thing, you're not really paying attention (see also jesse jackson's and kucinich's and a ton of other dems position on abortion, or g.h.w. bush for that matter)

and none of this is in support of romney or any other republican, never voted for one and never will, but i don't see the value of only seeing faults in your enemy while ignoring the bs on your own side.

maybe so, but this thread isn't for discussion, it is for making sure mitt romney isn't president

oh, in that case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYk0AmhfEsQ&mode=related&search=

yeah gershy, mitt romney is hardly the only politician who i believe changes his position in order to get elected! i never meant to imply otherwise

i think what this thread is after is something like this:

http://www.nyobserver.com/2007/five-easy-arguments-against-fred-thompson

mulla, read the last sentence of my first graf again and tell me how i'm wrong (i would LOVE to be!)

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I wasn't responding to your post. I was pointing out that it would be cool if the Dems got a chance to wave giant flip flops for once.

ok mulla - my point was that the media seems to pick up on "character issues" like "flip flopping" ONLY when these issues are aimed at democrats - they pick up on them and run with them, hard. when the character of republicans comes up, it's like a mirror image - john mccain is the most honest human alive, giuliani is america's mayor, fred thompson smells like aqua velva and cigars - THESE are the peeks inside their characters that the media sees. with democrats the media always seems to find some small statement from some 10-year-old speech to prove that hillary is "too ambitious" or that gore is a "serial exaggerator" or that bill clinton is "too slick" or that kerry is a "flip flopper". bringing props to the convention only works if the theme has already been pimped hard by the media.

Default Romney, Mormon high priest
A variation of this was entered in Political Thread, but violated rules and was removed. After reflecting on this throughout the day, I believe it is something the voting public should be made aware of. Particularly born again believers. God sets up all rulers, as Nebuchadnezzar found out while eating grass on his belly, but it seems to me we should educate ourselves about the man prior to casting our vote for any candidate.

SAINTS Alive In Jesus
Eric Barger, July-Aug
www.saintsalive.com or
email e✧@saintsal✧✧✧.c✧✧

It drives me into a state of severe disbelief and utter frustration to see all the Christian Leaders leaping into the Mitt Romney Camp Pat Robertson had him as main speaker at Regent U graduation this year, Jay Sekulow, head of the ACLJ, endorsed Romney and said that Romney would appointconstructionist judges, and that he had the opportunity to observe Romney and know that he is for real. Last October Jerry Falwell and Franklin Graham hosted an introductory meeting for Romney. Last month, Romney was put in front of the National Religious Broadcasters convention in Orlando by Mark DeMoss, president of the DeMoss Group, an Atlanta PR firm that works primarily with evangelical organizations.

My friends, we are entering the most critical period in the history of the US.

Our nation is in dire straits. A spiritual battle is raging right now over America's destiny. If you read the daily newspaper, watch tv news, or even network or cable tv, it is obvious that America and her leaders have stepped over the line in so many ways that our nation has without a doubt entered into the post-Christian era.

There is no question in my mind that the Hate Crimes Bill in Congress which is now being expanded to protect just about everyone and everything except Christians will ultimately close down churches and ministries. Why?For daring to speak the Biblical truth about the sin of homosexuality and other deviant sexual perversions.

With high profile Mormons like Senator Orrin Hatch and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid involved in the Hate Crimes Bill debacle, you can be sure that speaking anything negative about the Mormons will soon be a hate crime.

The fact is time is short and a real spiritual menace is awaiting us in this next election. With all sorts of issues clouding the picture, there is one that is so spiritually dangerous I have to tell you about it before you fall prey to its subtle deceit.

I'm talking about the "Secret Mormon Plan for America and the Rise of Mitt Romney, the Man who Would be God." You see, Mitt Romney has a few secrets he really doesn't want you to know. And the truth is Mitt isn't simply a member of the Mormon Church. Mitt Romney is a Temple Mormon - a High Priest - and as such he has sworn blood oaths of sacrifice, obedience, and consecration to his church and the soon coming, long prophesied "Kingdom of God". Romney's church oaths supercede any civil oaths he will take. It even trumps the United State's Constitution and his pledge to honor and defend it should he be elected President.

That's right. And he believes his obedience to these laws will allow him to become a polygamous god in the next life, the literal father of the people of a new different earth.

And there's more. Mitt Romney wears secret underwear with sacred talismanic symbols that he believes will keep him protected as he works his way to godhood. These are the very same markings that Lucifer claims in the LDS Temple ritual are the emblems of his power and priesthoods.

Romney is truly a presidential candidate with an actual, definable god complex, and submitted to an "other world" spiritual power. Mitt Romney should never be seated in the Oval Office.

In fact, Romney's perverted belief that humans can ascend to godhood mimics Satan's tempting of Eve in the Garden of Eden.

One of the major problems for this next election is that the Church has been lulled into a dangerous complacency, a warm and fuzzy feeling for the Mormons, brought on by years of high level, costly Mormon PR programs, the thousands of Free Public Service announcements, LDS PR representatives in every city that has radio, tv or newspapers, joining with a few short sighted evangelicals to make the average Pastor think the Mormons are a model people and Mitt would be a great president.

Pastors and all Christians need to be armed with spiritual facts rather than liking people who are nice and political platforms that sound good to the ear. We need to look at the battle for Christianity that is being waged and lost throughout the country. We need to take strong and effective action...NOW.

Mr. Barger goes on to list a few of the bizarre happenings going on in Washington of which we are all familiar: the removal of Ten Commandments & Crosses from public view that are replaced with false gods and false doctrines; Muslim prayer now in public schools (Christians are not given the same liberty, even though we fund them!); the making of "A Mormon President" produced/directed by Adam Christing, a member of the Mormon History Assoc.; Pope reasserting 7/10/07 that RCC is the only true church and the rest are defective; Muslim Congressman, Keith Ellison (D) Min comparing Bush with Hitler.

"It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that," Mr. Ellison said. "After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and put the leader (Hitler) of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted." by Toby Harnden in Washington (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...4/wbush114.xml)

Familiar Spirits??? The "God" of This Age
Lucifer

But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Cor 4:1-4

"Now is the great day of my power. I reign from the rivers to the ends of the earth. There is none who dares to molest, or make afraid." Lucifer, bragging in the LDS Temple Endowment Ritual

"I have a word to say concerning these people. If they do not walk up to every convenant they make at these altars in this temple this day, they will be in my power." Lucifer's parting admonition: the LDS Temple Endowment Ritual

Mr. Barger, his wife, and their children left the LDS when their children were very young. God has used this ministry to spread the message about this being a cult around the world. Christ has worked through Mr. Barger so effectively, that leaders of the LDS have threatened him numerous times demanding he be silent. He won't, of course, because He loves Christ too much! He has a deep love for those lost in this lie, and has dedicated his life to sharing his testimony, despite the threats against him. If anyone has a family member in LDS, his website is a resource of many free resources, and some for nominal fees, that are an excellent means of opening the doors of discussion. Also, he will email back and forth to help guide you in the discussion as well as offer prayer for you. People tend to lend a bit more credence to one who has walked the road before.

Shalom in Christ

Quote:
...vote for our next President .... if there is a next one.

http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/smile.gifFor some reason this made my heart LEAP with excitement, celticmist!

We may not be here to endure the '08 election if the Lord comes for His bride soon! http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/yeah.gif

Mormonism is basically a newer, Americanized version of Islam. Here are some of the many similarities:

1. "Holy" Cities - Muslims venerate Medina where Mohammed was born, and Mormons venerate Palymyra where Joseph Smith grew up. Also, Salt Lake City is to the Mormons what Mecca is to Muslims - the "promised" land.

2. Founded by a "prophet" - mohammed for islam, Joseph Smith for Mormonism. Both of these men were born poor and were uneducated when they invented their religions.

3. Additional "Scripture" that overrides God's Word - Koran for muslims, Book of Mormon, D&C, and other "revelation" handed down through "prophets".

4. Both require the wearing of all-white, special religious clothing for certain religious rituals.

5. Both have believed in the concept of "religious war" and have raised religious armies to fight these wars.

6. Strange Dietary laws for both religions, including forbidding of alcohol for either religion (and this rule is routinely broken by both religion's practitioners, as well).

7. Both of them attempt to establish Theocracy wherever they are by taking over the government, which they do by flooding a town with residents of their religion - this goes for both Muslims and Mormons. Examples - Muslims in Lebanon do this, and Mormons in California and Arizona and Idaho do this. Also, both religions have already established huge theocracies (i.e. Saudi Arabia for muslims, Utah for Mormons).

8. Both are based on paganism.

9. Both consider Jesus as "important", but they both also lower Jesus to be lower than the One True God.

10. Polygamy is accepted in both.

11. The founding prophets of both not only had many wives, but they both married young girls as well.

12. Both religions believe that there will be sex in the afterlife and it will be a reward

13. Both religions have buildings and rituals which they exclude "outsiders" from.

There are more - if anyone wants to add, be my guest.

I think it's interesting how similar these two religions really are, although people don't realize it because people tend to look at "American vs. Arab" rather than "Christian vs. non-Christian" when comparing the two religions, and the fact is that while Mormonism is very "American", it is just as non-Christian as Islam.

hey whatever works

haha that list of comparisons is pathetic even by the standards of these forwards

was very mean to that nice man from idaho

August 23, 2007 – 11:54 am

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Survey USA released a bunch more general election polling, commented on by the Hedgehog Report and DaveG at Race42008. Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and Mitt Romney were matched up against Hillary in Virginia, Kentucky, and Alabama. I have rearranged the data to show both margins and the %-undecided. SEveral things are worth noting.

First, the GOP is in bad shape in both Virginia and Kentucky due to reasons that have nothing to do with candidates. Kentucky has an election this year where a seemingly-corrupt Republican incumbent governor, Ernie Fletcher, is polling down 2-1. This election is probably framing people’s party identification strongly, and that election is in the papers on a daily basis. This poll illustrates the difficulties that Republicans have in that state. I suspect that once the catharsis of firing Fletcher happens, these numbers will adjust somewhat. Similarly, in Virginia, the state GOP has lost two governor’s races in a row with lousy candidates, and the state party has been rolled legislatively on taxes and transportation issues, the bread and butter. Virginia is now, again, a swing-state with popular Dem leaders.

In other words, Kentucky’s numbers are probably more result of the local environment, while Virginia’s actually represents something bad going on.

Second, these numbers show some important differences. Even in the South, Giuliani is performing in a tier above the other first-tier candidates, while Romney is polling a tier below the other first tier candidates. Romneybots will argue that this is due to name ID, but Gallup polling consistently indicates that Thompson’s name ID is lower than Romney’s but his performance in polling is (often substantially) higher. This is yet more evidence that Romney’s electability problem is real.

The inescapable conclusion is that people know things about Mitt Romney and don’t like him for it.

Third, these numbers are likely to move. People are going to learn things about Rudy Giuliani. (divorces, married first cousin, things about his record, etc.) that are going to move his numbers down. They are also going to learn things about Fred Thompson (thin record, blah blah) and Mitt Romney (flip-flopped on every issue in sight), but they both have the opportunity to frame that first impression. In other words, Giuliani’s numbers will fall — they are a ceiling — while Romney and Thompson’s can still go up. Some. The evidence suggests, however, that Thompson’s ceiling is higher than Romney’s.

On the other hand, there is probably nothing to learn about Hillary Clinton. After all, 3 books were written about her recently that were supposed to be interesting. They weren’t, and no one noticed.

In other words, these polls confirm our sense that things in some of these states are weird and that these will be tough elections. They don’t mean that much yet because so few people are paying attention. But we do know where some of the dragons aren’t.

I think it's a matter of drilling it in. The media wasn't all that interested in the John Kerry flip flop meme until he made that big stumble.
(Voted for it before I blah blah.) If you keep repeating "flip flopper" (something which the Dems usually think is beneath them) then the media will start playing along.

i think romney's dishonesty is the most useful charge against him but i dont think 'flip-flopper' is the best way to describe it

maybe we should just play up the indignity of having a president named Mitt

mulla can you think of any recent examples of the media playing along with negative character attacks on republicans w/national aspirations?

for instance: giuliani has straight-up LIED at least three times about the amount of time he spent at ground zero in 2001; these lies are easily proven and are vastly false (i.e. "i spent as much time at ground zero as most of the rescue workers, and maybe more") yet... where are the op-eds about this troubling "character issue" of giuliani's?

"Misrepresentative" Mitt Romney

The Miseducation of Mitt Romney

Marriott '08

"Bullshit Mitt"

I guess we've used bullshit enough lately though.

"I'll monitor the calls Al-qaeda makes into America"

Goon.

mitt Romney is a REPTILIAN

watch?v=BnCFxDesp2w

and THERE IS NO SUCH GROUP AS AL QAEDA...YOU HAVE ALL BEEN LIED TO...WAKE UP NOW

these PEOPLE LIVE OF YOUR FEAR ENERGY...WAKE UP NOW

(pronounced "Wa-way," as if Gilda Radner of Saturday Night Live fame were asked to pronounce the name)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6341.html

I kinda like him

I can't watch local television stations now without getting a Romney barrage during the commercial break. Living in Iowa gets harsh this close to primary time...

i heard he covered a doggy with poop and put it on the roof of his car
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

that does sound fun though

http://www.slate.com/id/2176197/fr/flyout

But ask voters about Romney's flip-flops, and they speak out loud. In a recent Des Moines Register poll, likely caucus attendees listed Romney's multiple positions as his biggest liability—on par with Rudy Giuliani's pro-choice stance on abortion. In a Pew Center poll, only 12 percent of respondents thought of Mitt Romney when the word honest was presented to them, the lowest of the four major Republican candidates. A Washington Post/ABC News poll showed that only 13 percent of Republicans find Mitt Romney honest and trustworthy, also the lowest of the four major Republican candidates. A CNN/Opinion Research poll found that 15 percent of adults found Mitt Romney to be the most honest—again, the bottom of the field.

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 10:110)

Joseph Fielding Smith stated, "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race" (The Way to Perfection, p.101).

2 Nephi 5:21 For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

Jacob 3:8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.

Alma 3:6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.

http://baseballcrank.com/archives2/2007/11/politics_the_tr_5.php

I am comforted to know that this dude and randy are the clear frontrunners

if we don't swift boat the shit out of either of them then we absolutely deserve to lose

randy giuliani?

weird thing about swiftboating is that you have to pitch it to the same audience that ate that shit up the first time around. but yes if we get through another few months with the ideas "rudy is strong & capable on national security" and "mitt romney is a man of principle" intact, it'll be a crying shame

Making Mitt Romney: How to fabricate a conservative

"The task of reformulating and repackaging the Romney brand—from the moderate Republican governor of the most liberal state in the Union to a red-meat social conservative and heir to Reagan—has been entrusted to an army of consultants far larger than that of any of his challengers."

ha wtf was I thinking "randy" for

That Harpers article was good, tho I had to turn the magazine upside-down always bcz the bobblehead Romneys on the cover really disturbed me.

from the comments in the youtube vid Tracer linked to above:

i want my arm to turn into a gigantic dick and shove it into mitt romney's eye

lolololol

Being a Mormon should be enough to keep him out office. They really believe some crazy shit, like Rasta-level crazy.

So apparently all these Romney attack ads are being funded by...Romney?

from the recent new yorker profile of Mittney. took my breath away, wotta prick!

Romney’s transition from the boardroom to the campaign trail has been clumsy in other respects, too. According to “Turnaround,” at Bain Capital, the investment firm that Romney headed, the partners suspected that their boss fostered a cutthroat competitive environment in order to motivate them. When he greets voters, this competitiveness often surfaces as posturing; chitchat turns into one-upmanship. After a voter at the New Hampshire diner told Romney, “My daughter goes to Michigan State,” he replied, “Oh, does she, really? My brother’s on the board of Michigan State.”

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/15/romney/index.html

Mitt Romney, then and now: showing what a super-tough patriot he is by cheering on wars that other people -- but never he nor his family -- risk their lives to fight. What makes it all the more repellent is that while many Mormons did enlist -- Brigham Young was one of the few campuses that was a hotbed of pro-war activism -- Romney actively avoided service, first with his missionary deferment, and then by obtaining a student deferment once he got back from France.

And now, he has the audacity to claim that he wanted to fight, but cites his high lottery number as a reason why his supposed desire was never fulfilled -- as though there was no such thing as voluntarily enlisting:

Mr. Romney, though, said that he sometimes had wished he were in Vietnam instead of France. "There were surely times on my mission when I was having a particularly difficult time accomplishing very little when I would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military," he said in an interview, "but that was not to be."

Note the lack of agency that he tries to insinuate -- military service "was not to be," as though he so desperately wanted to fight but it was just a matter of bad luck, having nothing to do with his own actions, that he never managed to make it to the glorious combat fields of Vietnam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoU41UwL5LI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ZQQzp93eA&watch_response

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/059631.php

http://www.slate.com/id/2178568/#

It ought to be borne in mind that Romney is not a mere rank-and-file Mormon. His family is, and has been for generations, part of the dynastic leadership of the mad cult invented by the convicted fraud Joseph Smith. It is not just legitimate that he be asked about the beliefs that he has not just held, but has caused to be spread and caused to be inculcated into children. It is essential. Here is the most salient reason: Until 1978, the so-called Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was an officially racist organization. Mitt Romney was an adult in 1978. We need to know how he justified this to himself, and we need to hear his self-criticism, if he should chance to have one.

Mitt Romney, who was an outspoken critic of the proposed immigration law and who sent out a mailing on the subject last week with a chain-link fence on the cover, was forced to again defend himself for employing a lawn service that used illegal workers at his home in Massachusetts, where he was governor.

can somebody plz force romney to give his opinion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Mother_%28Latter_Day_Saints%29 ???

In some branches of the Latter Day Saint movement, Heavenly Mother or Mother in Heaven is the mother of human spirits and the wife of God the Father. Those who accept the Mother in Heaven doctrine trace its origins to the movement's founder Joseph Smith, Jr.

In 1845, after the murder of Joseph Smith, the poet Eliza Roxcy Snow, published a poem entitled "My Father in Heaven", (later titled "Invocation, or the Eternal Father and Mother", now used as the lyrics in the popular Latter-day Saint hymn "O My Father"), acknowledges the existence of a Heavenly Mother.[10] This hymn contained the following language:

In the heavens are parents single?
No, the thought makes reason stare.
Truth is reason: truth eternal
tells me I've a mother there.

According to one sermon by Brigham Young, Joseph Smith once said he "would not worship a God who had not a father; and I do not know that he would if he had not a mother; the one would be as absurd as the other" (Journal of Discourses, vol.9, p.286).

"The church's material triumphs rival even its evangelical advances. With unusual cooperation from the Latter-day Saints hierarchy (which provided some financial figures and a rare look at church businesses), TIME has been able to quantify the church's extra-ordinary financial vibrancy. Its current assets total a minimum of $30 billion. If it were a corporation, its estimated $5.9 billion in annual gross income would place it midway through the FORTUNE 500, a little below Union Carbide and the Paine Webber Group but bigger than Nike and the Gap." (Time, August 4, 1997, p.52)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/romney-i-can-post-up-against-barack-obama/

new meme: mitt wants to keep obama from becoming president just like his church wanted to keep blacks from becoming members

good work

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:4SOlw-gI85NeeM:http://www.cipater.net/img/sarcasm01.jpg

is that about basketball?

im on the block posted up like a mailbox

[T-Rock]
I keep my money stash in the cellar
My life is crucial more suspense than a Stephen King seller
Beretta for chedda the bravest rebel living clever
I'll suffer you fellas go get the bullets off the dresser
Never snitch under investigation
Loud mouths can suffocate with no resuscitation
I'm in a Caprice with my player partners smoking mean and drinking Vodka
This is the continuation of the saga running like lava
Gunning and robbers I'm blunted with mobsters
Packing choppers so sophisticated still a shortstopper
Constantly a dope clocker to presidentials
Bitches run up get their vital organs this the symbol
Even my mental is a rebel longer level more psychotic than the devil himself
Resting with death until no vessels is left
Betraying ruthless get 'em bat 'em toothless
Checking and undisputed when I spew it to refuse it, we posted up!!

[Chorus - 2X]
We posted up! We posted up from the front to the back
We posted up! We posted up blowing blunts by the packs
We posted up! We posted up with a trunk full of gats
We posted up! We posted up nigga you know where we at

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/51221680.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6792FEE2CFD4F9A6278A0E721FD50B7AE

good work, guys!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html

and now, to keep Rodham from etc

"In this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding an escape from a manufactured sense of terror. This is not an easy decision. I hate to lose," the former Massachusetts governor said.

er i know you're joking about the "manufactured" part but even the direct quote makes no sense to me -- in what way is his presidential campaign related to terrorism??

if he stays in the Dems might win, if the Dems win we wave the white flag to the terrists

no freaking way

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http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/dalmat/my%20blog/votingaid.jpg

VIEIRA: So, let me ask you, would you characterize John McCain’s campaign as dignified and honest?

ROMNEY: Well, what I’d characterize the entire campaign as is extraordinarily negative on the part of Barack Obama.

VIEIRA: So you think his campaign was dignified?

ROMNEY: Well, I think it’s going to come down to this, and I think that is, who is going to be able to keep America safe and who is it that’s going to add jobs.

VIEIRA: Governor, not to beat a dead horse here, but once again, do you believe that the campaign was dignified?

ROMNEY: Was it dignified? It was presidential.

Didn't realize his father ran for president too

On August 31, 1967, Governor Romney made a statement that ruined his chances for getting the nomination.[13] In a taped interview with Lou Gordon of WKBD-TV in Detroit, Romney stated: "When I came back from Viet Nam [in November 1965], I'd just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get." He then shifted to opposing the war: "I no longer believe that it was necessary for us to get involved in South Vietnam to stop Communist aggression in Southeast Asia," he declared. Decrying the "tragic" conflict, he urged "a sound peace in South Vietnam at an early time." Thus Romney disavowed the war and reversed himself from his earlier stated belief that the war was "morally right and necessary".

The connotations of brainwashing, following the experiences of American prisoners of war (highlighted by the 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate), made Romney's comments devastating to his status as the GOP front-runner. The topic of brainwashing quickly became newspaper editorial and television talk show fodder, with Romney bearing the brunt of the topical humor. Republican Congressman (later U.S. Senator) Robert T. Stafford of Vermont sounded a common concern: "If you're running for the presidency, you are supposed to have too much on the ball to be brainwashed."[13]

The infamous 12th Street riot in Detroit took place on July 23, 1967. It continued until July 29, 1967 and eventually escalated to the point where president Lyndon B. Johnson called in federal troops, perhaps dimming Romney's chances for the presidency.

Romney announced his withdrawal as a presidential candidate on February 28, 1968. At his party's national convention in Miami Beach, Romney finished a weak sixth with only fifty votes on the first ballot (44 of Michigan's 48, plus six from Utah).

It is notable that while Romney was born in Mexico, he was still considered to be a viable and legal candidate to run for office. His Mormon grandfather and his three wives fled to Mexico in 1886, but none of them ever relinquished their citizenship. While the Constitution does provide that a president must be a natural born citizen, the first Congress of the United States in 1790 passed legislation stating: "The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States." Romney and his family fled Mexico in 1912 prior to the Mexican revolution. However, the Naturalization Act of 1795 repealed the Act of 1790 and changed the status of such children born to US Citizens abroad to that of citizen. Therefore, Romney, if challenged, would likely have been ruled ineligible for the office of President.