The 'Incest Laws': What's The Point?

Oh, I don't know. I was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts.

I love the ending of John Sayles Lone Star for its mature dealing of this subject.

(just look at the royal family &c. &c &c &c.)

are there any BIOLOGISTICIANS on ILE? help.

just look at dalmatians.

ain't they cute?

Pete's points about coercion are much better, but of course this isn't always a problem (most obviously between adult siblings) and needs no rules or morality much distinct from what we would apply to a step-parent.

In case anyone is thinking "he fancies his sister" I should add that I know of no living biological relatives, having been adopted. I just can't see the sense in this taboo now, if there ever was any.

I would really like to fancy my sister, because it's an exciting idea for me. But I don't, despite the fact that she's very attractive. I REALLY don't fancy her, which genuinely makes me suspect that there's some kind of genetic block.

Am I read this right? I can't believe this has gone without comment.

"No, your honour, my father's brother... (etc etc)"

It'll start by people starting to talk more often and openly about incest, and then the media will try to portray people interested in incest as victims. After that all the great historical figures who have had incestuous relationship will be honored (and even many who haven't, but new studies will come out claiming they have). Then the target will be people morally opposed to incest and any scientific evidence giving it a bad rap. Everything will be done to make them look bad or false. Then the activist groups will try to get lots of funding and celebrity endorsements. Next laws will change. People will be forced to attend divisity training if they even slightly mention what they really think about incest, because it might make people in incestuous relationships feel 'unsafe.'

This is all hypothetical of course.

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If a law is changed to make something not-illegal, there is a tacit acceptance of the behaviour.

Witness any drug law repealation, incest, and the general fuore against dropping the law of homosexual consent by all the people it affects not.

Those against it would say "You're saying it's alright then?"

To which we say "Too right it is."

A law allowing cigarette smoking would never pass. Just as well it's not illegal now.

Let's return to the libertarian question. If a man happens to walk around town arm and arm with his adult niece, is that going to make me abuse my teenaged niece? In most cases, probably not. Clearly, however, there is a connection. Our collective horror at incest-even adult incest-acts as a protective barrier against the temptation to incest with minors.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz043003.asp

In a CRAZY, IRRATIONAL and COMPLETELY IMAGINARY way, that is.

And then inexplicably, for reasons unfathomable,
But to me wholly admirable,
The DJ played us some Tallis.
He yanked off the Corrs in disgust and announced "Thomas Tallis, Lamentations of Jeremiah."
Across an empty dancefloor I walked to commend him,
And also enquire if he had any Dowland.

drunkenness and immodesty are almost universally considered moral issues.

-- A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:15 (1 year ago) Link

"Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness.

"When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, 'Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.'

"He also said, 'Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his slave.'"

"Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. One day the older daughter said to the younger, 'Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father.'

"That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

"The next day the older daughter said to the younger, 'Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.' So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

"So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today."

See, drunkenness leads to incest! Take heed!

What I want to know is, if he was too drunk to notice or remember any of the incestuous hijinx, how did they POSSIBLY get a good result? That has not been my experience in the slightest.

I did wonder that myself. The cave-in-remote-mountains equivalent of the turkey baster, possibly.

And did he not wonder, a few months later, just exactly how they became pregnant in a remote cave with nobody at all nearby?

goats. it's all about goats.

Heart rate and breathing rate are irregular during REM sleep, again similar to the waking hours. Body temperature is not well regulated during REM. Erections of the penis (Nocturnal Penile Tumescence or NPT) is an established accompaniment of REM sleep and is used diagnostically to determine if male erectile dysfunction is of organic or psychological origin. Clitoral enlargement, with accompanying vaginal blood flow and transudation (i.e. lubrication) is also present during REM.

Fair enough - but when he's asleep cos he's pissed? I'd think not somehow.

i was well drunk on saturday night and woke up the next morning with a massive boner.

i dunno whether i'd have woken up if some young girl started fucking me (i didn't have a test subject :()

so it probably isn't beyond reasonable doubt.

To be honest though it was more likely that he "didn't know" i.e. "did know but kept his eye shut"

it didn't happen

Twins who were separated at birth and raised by different families met later and married but were forced to break up when they discovered their true identities, a British legislator said on Friday.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/father-and-daughter-have-child/2008/04/07/1207420202007.html

"I was looking at him, sort of going, oh, he's not too bad.

O_o!

I haven't checked ilx lately so if that's been discussed elsewhere, I sorry.

Dear god. ;_;

For Mr Deaves the sexual relationship was "absolutely fantastic".

Wahey! Mount Gambier, the incest capital of the world! Imagine what that'll do for tourism in town.

THERE'S MORE

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/incest-couple-had-another-child/2008/04/07/1207420263586.html

The pair were banned from sexual contact with each other as part of their bond.

who gets the lucky job of monitoring that?

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5974190,00.jpg

HOT

http://img.waffleimages.com/4b543904827ed2f719dd43629da534a32f8147fe/incest.jpg#via=salr

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/incest_080408_wideweb__470x277,4.jpg

and they in fact look a lot alike

Yeah especially in the previous photo.

how could you say no to that face?

oh, he's not too bad

like a wax statue of tom wilkinson left out in the sun for a couple hours

smh @ news reported by smh.com

what

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a2/225px-Arrested_Development_-_Les_cousins_dangereaux.jpg

what

-- wilter, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 12:19 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I can't believe no one is talking about Austrian dude who kept his daughter in the basement for 20 years, fathering a bunch of children with her, while his wife lived upstairs and DIDN'T KNOW

there's probably a what's on your ipod thread on ILM

Julie is traveling in France on summer vacation from college with her brother Mark. One night they decide that it would be interesting and fun if they tried making love. Julie was already taking birth-control pills, but Mark uses a condom, too, just to be safe. They both enjoy the sex but decide not to do it again. They keep the night as a special secret, which makes them feel closer to each other. What do you think about that — was it O.K. for them to make love?

Most people immediately declare that these acts are wrong and then grope to justify why they are wrong. It’s not so easy. In the case of Julie and Mark, people raise the possibility of children with birth defects, but they are reminded that the couple were diligent about contraception. They suggest that the siblings will be emotionally hurt, but the story makes it clear that they weren’t. They submit that the act would offend the community, but then recall that it was kept a secret. Eventually many people admit, “I don’t know, I can’t explain it, I just know it’s wrong.” People don’t generally engage in moral reasoning, but moral rationalization: they begin with the conclusion, coughed up by an unconscious emotion, and then work backward to a plausible justification.

ban france

there's probably a what's on your ipod thread on ILM

on ILE actually

jesus christ

This thread is so fucked up.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/02/should_a_florida_millionaire_be_prosecuted_for_incest_because_he_adopted_his_girlfriend_.html

Yes, he should be run up on charges of doing the absolutely creepiest thing possible to get out of taxes.

dunno about incest cause its pretty obv. what the real story is here.

On Feb. 10, 2010, Palm Beach air-conditioning mogul John Goodman allegedly ran a stop sign. His Bentley convertible struck a Hyundai being driven by Scott Wilson, a 23-year-old civil engineer. Wilson’s car landed in a nearby canal where the young man drowned.

this is either a parable about american politics or a law & order episode, right?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/multimedia/dynamic/01321/goodman_girlfriend_1321050e.jpg

who's your daddy

<I>A Florida Millionaire Adopted His 42-Year-Old Girlfriend</I>

Who (if bankrupt) he was very polite to every day for the rest of his life.

lol usa

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/01/article-2094910-118D380B000005DC-316_634x589.jpg