Before the alleged intercourse, Andrew Riley, 36, had pleaded with the teenager, who was 17 at the time, not to scream, "yes Sir, yes!" in the throes of passion.

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The Head of a school's sixth form had sex with one of his pupils after giving her cocaine, a court has heard.

Before the alleged intercourse, Andrew Riley, 36, had pleaded with the teenager, who was 17 at the time, not to scream, "yes Sir, yes!" in the throes of passion.

At one point in their relationship, Riley allegedly sent her a message that read: "You are intelligent, beautiful and damn sexy and you are the first person to make me feel alive for a long time."

When the affair ended the girl made a CD of the messages that allegedly passed between her and Riley and handed them to senior staff at Baines High School in Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs.

Riley, who is married with children, denies two charges of sexual activity with a child and two of abuse of trust. He further denies offering to supply the same girl with cocaine.

A jury at Preston Crown Court was told how the allegations concerned events in May and June 2005.

Dennis Watson, prosecuting, told the jury that Riley was an accomplished teacher who was head of his school's sixth form during 2004-05.

Both he and his alleged victim were attracted to each other and, by the summer of 2005, were in so close a relationship that they were communicating by text, email and internet messaging.

In total the couple allegedly exchanged 400 pages of emails. At one stage he reminded her to call him "Mr Riley" when both were on school grounds.

Mr Watson said the first impropriety took place at a leavers' ball at the de Vere Hotel, Blackpool, in May 2005.

"The girl had had a lot to drink and the defendant had a lot to drink. At the end of the evening there was a drinking game involving taking a shot of Sambuca.

"They took half a shot and then passed it mouth to mouth to the next person and there was a three-second rule. That was the amount of time you have to pass the alcohol so nothing untoward happened.

"The defendant spent far longer than was necessary to pass the Sambuca from his mouth to the girl's." Although there had been only minor sexual contact the defendant had "crossed the line".

At the end of June he arranged to meet the infatuated sixth former at a hotel in Manchester. Shortly beforehand he sent her the message: "I put a coke order in, which means there is no chance of sleeping. Sex and coke is mind-blowing."

He added: "You have to promise in the heat of passion you don't scream, 'yes Sir, yes!' because it will put me right off what I am doing."

Their relationship carried on until after her 18th birthday but fizzled out when she went to university.

Riley, from Lancaster, told police that the girl's claims of a sexual relationship were "just nonsense" and that any references to cocaine were simply jokes.

The trial continues.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

move 2 ile

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

It's his name: it's cursed.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/contentbe/dispatch/2007/03/14/20070314-B4-02.html

StanM, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Not as bad as this fine citizen, though: (FIVE years old)

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/14132485/detail.html

StanM, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

When the affair ended the girl made a CD of the messages that allegedly passed between her and Riley and handed them to senior staff at Baines High School in Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs.

YSI?

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

The post that didn't have to be made

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Their relationship carried on until after her 18th birthday but fizzled out when she went to university.

it's an age-old story.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

the advent of freshers draws ever nearer

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

maybe you could pick some of them up by making jokes about battered women

That mong guy that's shit, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

HUHT

That mong guy that's shit, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

who was 17 at the time
denies two charges of sexual activity with a child

?

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

17 = grey area

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

to be fair, i can just about imagine the horsier cambridge undergraduettes going for that.

xpost

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

it's not a grey area. he was in loco parentis as a teacher.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

dang, hadn't thought of that. irresponsible me.

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

'betrayal of trust' and all that. whatever happened to the platonic ideal?

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

buttsex?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

PEDERASTY, geddit right

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

how is this not a pic thread yet?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.english.uga.edu/wblake/EverlastingGospel/plato4.bmp

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

unsurprise buttsechs

DG, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

cocaine + sex = classic
-- kenan, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:18 (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

how did you find that?

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

like finding seashells on the beach

latebloomer, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

i imagine it's a popular opinion shared by many

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

cocaine + sex = classic
-- kenan, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:18 (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

I missed the "cocaine plus sex, classic or dud" thread.

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

how did you find that?

I remembered it being expressed on one of the coke threads, fuck knows why tho

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

because it will put me right off what I am doing

God I love the British

J0hn D., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

he was fine with "Daddy"

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

There's the teacher/student in loco parentis thing, which obviously makes it very wrong (but was probably a big turn on for the pair of them), but I can't see why he's being charged with the child sex offences (although the coke probably doesn't help) as she was above the age of consent at the time.

I'm not sure that it is a legally grey area (it's pretty obviously a moral one), as the law is fairly specific on the point.

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's illegal for teachers to have it off with pupils even if they're over 18 (as lots of upper 6th formers are) nowadays. But yeah making it a child sex offence seems a bit weird.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think it's really a moral grey area at all!

if you sign up to be a teacher you are making a covenant not to fuck your pupils. it's completely irrelevant that she was 17 or 15 -- plenty of 15-year-olds are just as capable of making their own decisions and fucking their teachers. it's on the teacher not to.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Jeez. I've known teachers who have married ex-pupils.

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

in loco clitoris

gershy, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

have dawnson's creek and skins taught us nothing?

acrobat, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

xxpost: I've been taught by one!

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

Jeez. I've known teachers who have married ex-pupils.

-- Stone Monkey, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yeah me too and it remains creepy as fuck. though none as old as 36.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

I think the point isn't whether he did something against the law or now, that seems to be pretty clear. I think the question is why he's charged with child sex offenses instead of something more relatable to the teacher/student relationship thing.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

he shouldn't be charged with any criminal offence, but he should be banned from teaching.

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

Jeez. I've known teachers who have married ex-pupils.

Happens all the time in grad school, if a slightly different dynamic. Slightly.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

the article is very (deliberately?) murky and doesn't mention who brought him to trial or exactly what for (supplying drugs??). why did the girl give the messages to the other staff? revenge for being dumped presumably?

yeah me too and it remains creepy as fuck. though none as old as 36.

how is it particularly 'creepy' if not just for the age gap?

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

I think the point isn't whether he did something against the law or now, that seems to be pretty clear. I think the question is why he's charged with *child* sex offenses instead of something more relatable to the teacher/student relationship thing.

-- jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

it's because 'in loco parentis' means 'in place of the parent'. i don't know, it seems pretty obvious to me.

it could be that the girl is, say, looked after or otherwise vulnerable, i dunno.

how is it particularly 'creepy' if not just for the age gap?

-- blueski, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:43 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

seriously? teachers scheming on their pupils?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Is it actually illegal for a teacher to have consensual sex with a pupil over the age of consent? Yes the teacher should get sacked for it. But a criminal prosecution, when it's two people over the age of consent having consensual sex?

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

I dated one of my T.A.'s right after the semester during which she taught me was through, she was eight months older than me.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

Zelda OTM

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

so you think it would just as 'creepy' if he was only a few years older? (xpx3)

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Obviously what he did is all kinds of sleazy and wrong and he should lose his opportunity to teach ever again, but I don't think its the same thing as someone having sex with an underage child.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Is it actually illegal for a teacher to have consensual sex with a pupil over the age of consent? Yes the teacher should get sacked for it. But a criminal prosecution, when it's two people over the age of consent having consensual sex?

-- Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

he was in loco parentis as a teacher.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yes the teacher should get sacked for it.

should they even? in all/under any circumstances?

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

o you think it would just as 'creepy' if he was only a few years older? (xpx3)

-- blueski, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

in a way *even weirder* because a teacher in his/her twenties isn't having the mid-life crisis that this stuff usually comes out of.

xpost

yes

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Or buy cigarrettes tooo.

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

xxp but... doesn't that mean the law is equating 17 year olds with 11 year olds?

max, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

to be chapter-and-verse about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#England

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

or even better

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2000/20000044.htm

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

So it's a specific offence, then. If you'd just said that...

Stone Monkey, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

i kind of covered it with the shorthand comment:

he was in loco parentis as a teacher.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:05 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

u should've linked it earlier. i disagreed with that law anyway tho. put AOC back to 18 for all until we can alter the socio-cultural stigmatisation of teenage sex and reduce STDs and unwanted pregnancies among them. it's all in my latest newsletter.

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

i didn't link coz i hadn't looked till then. it's my years at the bar, it's instinct.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

while searching i saw that some wiseacres had suggested lowering age of consent to 14 *provided the fuckers [sexees?] are only two years apart in age difference*.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

put AOC back to 18

You mean forward to?

Tom D., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

So that law would still apply is he was a 36 year-old professor teaching a 38 year-old continuing education student?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

"if"

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

no no, sorry, the thing i saw (some policy document) was proposing that 14-year-olds should be allowed to have sex with other 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds, and 16-year-olds, but no-one older.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

I think jvc's question is still, good, though, w/r/t the whole "in loco parentis" thing (which I'd never heard of before this thread): Does it still apply when the student is older than the teacher?

jaymc, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

well, it ends at the age of 18, so no.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

university is a whole different kettle of fish

Just got offed, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

well yes. tutors often are in a comparable "position of trust" to students and it would be interesting to see if breach of same had ever come to the courts. i'm sure it's been an administrative issue at universities.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm surprised no one has linked to, ahem, this yet:

Teacher 'had sex with pupil while driving bus'

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

OK, Henry, I was confused b/c you said:

it overrides the age of consent.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:50 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

up to what point?

-- Jarlrmai, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:55 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

point she leaves school, i guess.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:57 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ie 'in loco parentis' lasts until it stops.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:57 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

jaymc, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

school meaning pre-university there. teacher meaning schoolteacher too.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

OK, got it.

jaymc, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

So the law would be okay with this if she'd have been 18? Thats what I'm taking from this "in loco parentis" thing.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

yes. if, on the day after she left school, this teacher who had spent many a chaste year admiring her bloom, gave her one, the law would be okay with that.

some pupils reach 18 before they leave school -- i think he'd still be in a position of trust and thus liable. but after that, bang away, not at all creepy.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Is no one excited about the bus?

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Thats my confusion though.. so if she was 22 and still in school then the "in loco parentis" would apply and, thus, the sex would be illegal. What if she was two years older than him and still in school? Thats what I'm confused about.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Not as much as the teacher was (xp)

Tom D., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

plenty of room up top

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

Move down the back please

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

something about oysters

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

The head of a school sixth form engaged in a sex act with one of his pupils while driving a school minibus, a court heard today.

Andrew Riley, a married father-of-two, spoke to a colleague on a mobile phone as the 17-year-old girl performed a further sex act upon him, Preston Crown Court was told.

Now that is truly disgraceful. This man should be ashamed of himself, lock him up and throw away the key - talking to someone on a mobile phone while driving.

Tom D., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

Thats my confusion though.. so if she was 22 and still in school then the "in loco parentis" would apply and, thus, the sex would be illegal. What if she was two years older than him and still in school? Thats what I'm confused about.

-- jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:44 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

if you're 22 and still in school um... you too thick to have sex.

school means: place where you go from age 4 (or whatever) to age 18. after that it's not school. you don't get schoolteachers younger than their pupils.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Eyes a-boggle @ mouth-to-mouth sambuca game.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

lot of 22 y/o's in high school round your way?

xp

gff, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

How these things happen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDz5hvNqTQ

PhilK, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

as usual Hollywood shows us the way

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/neverbeenkissed.jpg

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

heh heh heh

DG, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

hey wtf is up with that link? it was supposed to be the bangbus thread :(

DG, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Onthebuses.jpg/250px-Onthebuses.jpg

Tom D., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

in a way it kinda is (xp)

blueski, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

whoa wtf haha

i remember there being a mythical thread that did that, nice find.

gff, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

lolz

DG, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

Hold on are you the Real Actual Geir Hongro???????????!!!!!!!!!!!

DG, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

So we are making the distinction between (in the US) high school and college students then?

I'm really not trying to be difficult here, just trying to understand. When I was in college it was not at all strange to find teachers very close in age to students.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

when i did my stint in grad school they spent A LOT of time in TA orientation was 1 day, 1/2 of which was a workshop saying "PLZ PLZ DO NOT FUCK ANYONE WHILE HERE ok well we can't stop u but plz don't."

gff, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

er bad edit there: orientation was one day, half was spent on this point!

gff, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

I think there may be some confusion over the fact that Americans use the word "school" to refer to higher education as well. If someone tells me, for instance, that she was an English major, I might say, "Oh, where'd you go to school?" and expect an answer like "University of Michigan."

jaymc, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks jaymc, thats what I was getting at. So when you say in loco parentis stops when s/he leaves "school", I was picturing university being included in that. Hence my confusion.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

i think universities have taken pains in recent years to squash the culture of profs, grad students, and undergrads having relationships. even just beginning to frown on it publicly is a big change from the days of yore.

gff, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

age of consent issues are moot at that point but the status and dependency issues definitely aren't.

gff, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

I also think university culture has changed from the inside. I'm not saying professors + students never get involved, but I get the impression that in the 70s relationships between older male professors and young female grad students/undergrads were everywhere. that is just not how it is now, at least in my program; partially because of changes in demographics.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)


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