Mark Radcliffe: the final nail in his coffin

ps why aren't i allowed to call her "the queen", robin?

Mark S: it doesn't make sense if you don't use capitals, and it probably doesn't make sense at all, but I just find The Queen a terribly archaic way of referring to her, almost as though she's being worshipped, whereas mentioning the Queen casually just suits her true level. I am ridiculously irritated, far beyond logic, by use of capital letters to donate IMPORTANCE (see also The Beatles, as opposed to the Beatles).

(note: the above may not be strictly true)

"an archaic referral for an archaic institution": well quite, but for as long as she's still around it seems fitting to refer to her in the least reverential way possible, ditto with references to the Times and the Daily Telegraph.

I haven't checked to see if this is actually true btw so master of style Mark S. may rumble me.

I am interested in this. Can you give any other examples?

Heroes are people too.

related to robin's irritation: styleguides usually claim the The Times is the only paper that is allowed to capitalise the the as part of its name (eg it is the Guardian and the Telegraph... )

You would say "Royalty" (meaning phil the greek et al) but "Begian royalty". "Bernice is Queen of [zz]" but "Bernice threw a big royal party and all the other queens were invited..."

Big expection: book titles. eg. "I wuv The Catcher in the Rye" not "I wuv the Catcher in the Rye".

This supports the *logic* of what I said but then the thing about the non-capitalisation of 'the' takes precedence. Am I correct?

Oh, but what about Christian references (His work...The Lamb of God...that sort of thing)?

If a pop group want their 'the' capitalised, it's always The Group.

A reference to that pub again?

And it is korrekt grammar to say: "Yo Bubba, pass me the The Catcher in the Rye but not the Moominvalley in November", even tho it sounds like grave mentalism, and most will compress. Cap 'The' mid-sentence a creeping solecism, I fear. Yeah, God gets caps wherever, if you wanna.

what is this thread about please?

I just love volcanoes is all.

I think so anyway.

Surely the use of "His" etc. in a religious context depends on how much of an, er, believer you are? I remember, as late as 1992, a reference being made to "The Queen surveys Her Scouts at Windsor", as though she was on a Godlike level, and if the person who insisted on the capital h hadn't been asleep since about 1960, I'd be very surprised. Maybe it was a misprint, because I can't imagine even the Scout Association having that attitude to her by the time of the, ahem, Annus Horribilis.

What Pete mentioned - I just used to adore the Graveyard Shift and wouldn't have imagined him doing such a thing, but this is the nature of the relatively high profile he enjoys now. Radcliffe is heard on all the BBC networks bar Radio 3, which is obviously a sign of his diversity of interests. It's as much a "nail in the coffin of what remains of my naive adolesence" thing as anything else.

Assumptions re. Northerners not loving the Queen - I think it's more to do with the fact that the old "official culture" of the 1950s, which was the height of reverence for her, was essentially a Home Counties thing and was bound up with the old BBC culture of patronising and dismissive attitudes towards the North. It was always false, though, because traditional Northern conservative socialists were usually as monarchist as High Tories in the South. Relative indifference / active opposition to the monarchy isn't something I'd define in regional terms, except that areas with a large retired population will, for that reason, have a higher percentage of people who still revere the monarchy.

This is partly rose-tinted graveyard shift at work, cos I resented their Oasis fixation then too.

Also their talking all the way through that Jamiraquai song last week = CLASSIC!

Alan T is right: they can sound increasingly fogeyish these days and generalising in their dismissive attitudes. I'm aware that's probably an age thing (they're both in their 40s now) but when someone pointed us towards an M&L thread on another forum I said that the people on it were as blindly reluctant to admit that Radio 1 had to move on from their tastes as DLT fans were in 1993, and my opinions on this matter have not changed.

I didn't like their Oasis love back in 95/6 either, but they played enough interesting music (wouldn't define my tastes now as it did then though) for me to forgive them.

In time I'm sure they'll be on Radio 2, though probably more likely a weekend Jonathan Ross-type show than every day.

I would like to see Mark Thomas with a reformed Sex Pistols on a carnival float, playing God Save the Queen going past the entrance to this concert.

-- DJ Martian, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

Wouldn't enjoy this.

Nice idea, but I think I'd be more inclined myself to play, say, "The Reflex" or "Back To Life (However Do You Want Me)" as vital anti- traditionalist statements

^^^ RoCa had it covered, holmes.

i don't think mark and 'lard' work together any more.

that period when they replaced chris evans was a key event for x-fm listeners of my age and acquaintance. in reality they weren't any good at it, but for the aforementioned it was a glimpse of nationalo radio As It Should Be.

Radcliffe now dispenses sub-par banter on Radio 2 of an evening with Stuart Maconie. Is Riley still on Radio 6, I keep forgetting that exists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/feb/01/mark-radcliffe-stuart-maconie-radio-2-6-music

Blog: Is Radcliffe and Maconie's move a good thing?

Also..

Whiley, who lost her weekday Radio 1 slot in 2009 to move to a weekend show, will now leave Radio 1, bringing the curtain down on a 17-year career with the station.

"I've loved working at Radio 1 for the past 17 years. It's given me opportunities I could only have dreamt of," said Whiley.

"As well as supporting my love of music, Radio 1 have also supported and accommodated me bringing three further children into the world, something, as a woman, I will always be grateful for."

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"I appeal to you, as a woman!"

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman.

your wife caught you again?

OMG women.