Johnny Vaughan how do you plead?

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So now Johnny Vaughan has his own show. I'm sure you've all seen it. Isn't it totally fucking chronic? I mean, the guy has about as much wit and charm as Jim Davidsons brain in the gnarled body of Rolf Harris.

All his jokes are painfully, excruciatingly obvious. ALSO, and this is what REALLY annoys me, he has one of "those audiences". You know the sort of audience certain comedians get? The audience that thinks the host is some sort of messiah like figure. You can just see their brains through their slack jawed faces thinking "ITS SO TRUE" after Vaughan makes another non-joke.

Aren't you just waiting for the episode where Vaughan reads the paper and then says "So Art then? what the HELL is that about......honestly???????".

Also he has no concept of how to disguise the fact that he's made out a list of "jokes" to kick start the show, jesus the way he brings them in is SO fucking contrived, and he's even got newspaper stories to help him make the links less tenuous.

Christ I know he's an easy target but let's fucking shoot at him anyway.

― Ronan, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never met anyone from ILE in real life, but as far as I know any of you or 90 percent of my friends would be funnier than Johnny Vaughan presenting a chat show.

― Ronan, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's depressing that he's become one of those presenters he was originally an anti-dote to back when he first started. haven't seen the new show, but can guess exactly what it's like

― michael, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

First rule of showbiz: do not accept your own chatshow. Everything will go down the toilet. It happened to Jack Docherty, oh, sad sad Jack. And now Johnny, so wonderful when bouncing off of Denise. But now see him, tragic wrecked shell with shitty jokes...

― Ally C, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm sorry you don't like Johnny Vaughan Tonight. I worked on the show. As a writer. I think he's an intelligent, articulate and funny man.

Three points: Firstly, blaming him for the nature of his audience seems a little harsh. Secondly, 'those audiences', in your book, are presumably any audience that enjoys a show you hate. So any audience that laughs at a show you also enjoy is intelligent, any audience that laughs at a show you hate is thick. Is that it?
Thirdly, 'he's even got newspaper stories to help him make the links less tenuous'. Right, that'll be because he's doing...a newspaper review, you see. And there's no attempt to 'disguise' the jokes. It's a scripted monologue. That's kind of the point.

― dan, Saturday, 9 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No those audiences are present on every Bill Hicks show I've ever heard and they fuck me off also despite the fact that I like the man. However I think Hicks work has more potential for "ITS SO TRUE" so you may be onto something.

I guess having worked on the show you're not pleased that I think it's shit, but there you go, I'm not going to apologise for it.

― Ronan, Saturday, 9 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nope, you're well within your rights to think it's shit and you're certainly not the only one, but plenty of people really like it too, so...*shrug*.

For the record, I didn't write any of the top-of-the-show monologue stuff anyway.

― dan, Saturday, 9 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well this is sad. Dan worked really hard on this show and all you can do is knock it. If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say it.

Actually, it isn't very good is it? And I do like Johnny Vaughan. What Ally said above does appear to be OTM. Chat shows with flavour of the month funny guys never seem to be any good. Maybe they just feel constrained by the orthodoxy of the format, maybe they can't cope with having to rein in their cynical wit and give the guests propah respect. Also, I always feel like there's an undercurrent of trying really hard to make a slick Letterman-esque show and for some reason that never comes off. It's like when we try to do US style sitcom.

'Funny' newspaper reviews/news round ups. ARRGHH. My particular bugbear. I wish they'd just ditch this tired old routine. There's just something intrinsically annoying and unfunny about them. I kind of know what Ronan means, it's the way it's done to the audience. I can't really put my finger on it.

Also, it seems a curiously sparse show, with just the two guests. I get kind of embarrassed when there's one big name guest and one makeweight too, like the A-lister is thinking "Why did my agent book me on this show - man this country's small." But that's just me. God knows why I'm so in thrall to the celebrity pecking order. Anyway yeah - the show's a bit of a flop, as far as I can see. Maybe I just don't like chat shows. What are they for again?

― N., Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

P.S. Dan - how did you find this thread? It doesn't seem to be indexed by Google. Do you read ILE anyway? Do you nick our jokes? No wonder it's so bad..

― N., Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

N - I'm a regular on another LUSENET forum...recently I just strolled into the lobby, as it were, and found ILM and ILE.

By the way, if you really want to hate an audience, go to a Jackie Mason gig. Sweet middle class, middle aged Jewish couples with absolutely no comic points of reference, pissing themselves at every 'hechh' and 'yichh' that comes out of the auld feller's mush.

― dan, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh it's so bad on Bill Hicks Totally video. Every time he mentions drugs there's someone trying to start a mass round of applause.

grrrr.

― Ronan, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, that would make me want to punch faces.

― dan, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I learnt today that the earlier showing on BBC Choice only gets 40,000 viewers.

― Graham, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One thing I always wanted to try if I was filming a Letterman rip chat show is to see if filming it in NTSC would make a difference. I think we allow for more when we know something is American, we let references slide and fall into a much more American style mindset. Of course this would not work for the audience but may make the viewers feel more comfy.

Of course the BBC fucked around with its solid 11 O'Clock scheduling after the second week. ANd having Ross around on a Friday doesn't help. APeing formats though doesn't really work over here.

― Pete, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pete, as a confessed Danny Baker fan, what did you make of his attempt at Letterman? (Didn't care one way or other myself, but I gather it did poorly)

― Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would love it if Pete's NTSC suggestion worked. You'd get all the SOTCAA geeks moan about it like they moaned about Spaced being film-ized or whatever the technical term is (according to Steady Michael Jones)

― N., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

First series (After All) wasn't too bad, they had actually put some thought into set design and made the place feel comfy. Also Baker appeared to have pretty much carte blanche on picking his own guests to be people he was interested in. That said he did look uncomfortable in his too tight jacket. But the in between entertainments were a realisation of many of the Radio 1 stunts (clay pigeon shooting with records and Chris Difford of Squeeze). That said the format still restricted him.

Second series was terrible because they put him in a one size fits all studio and threw guests at him and he already knew it had been axed.

The time I think the format has ever worked in the UK is The Last Resort.

― Pete, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not exactly a Letterman style show, but the only post-Last Resort modern British chat show that I think has worked is Clive Anderson's. He's not really my cup of tea, but it did feel natural and was a regular fixture for many years.

― N., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's Removed-Field Video and it's eating away at the very fabric of our British Comedy Heritage. Or something.

Pete's comment about 'letting references slide' - I'd welcome a British chat-show which made running gags about entirely fictional 'public figures' and untrue current events. Letterman's Top 10s were often hilarious even when I had no idea what they were on about. Something to do with the economy of the form.

Hey - let's liberate the topical gag from the chains of actuality.

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine months pass...

On a return to this - it appears, and I would tend to agree that like him or loathe him, Graham Norton has made the five night a week chat show actually work (by doing exactly what Letterman does re: pretty much relegating the guests to be the least important aspect - though of course doing it in a very, very different way).

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Did I mention before that a google search suggests Michael has invented the term 'removed field video' to impress the ladies?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, and we were impressed how something so unimpressive impressed the ladies.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:30 (twenty-three years ago)

ladies r dumb

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Bloody hell, was that really Danny Baker posting on this thread back in March?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't realise it was THE GREAT MAN. Do you recognise his email address or something?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Er no. That was a bloke who worked on the show who also happened to be called Dan, and then we had a discussion about his chat show. Different Dan.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I was one of the Norton defenders last time around, which might not be a bad idea for a show in itself but anyway I am starting to think he wears thin over 5 nights. I still believe he's a brilliant host and his turn of phrase is really something but I think C4 are stretching things a bit for want of anything else to put on. Also I think Norton has become a little sharper with the audience members where before he used to walk the titerope and in the end charm his way out of whatever he'd said. Sometimes it's just getting away with a snide comment cos he's the host, he's got the mic, and he's running the show. Lame.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

norton is rub. how many times can you find a novelty phallic sleeping bag funny?

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

How many times have you got?

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

once a week tops.

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it works every night because the format is so tight you obviously don't have to watch them all. No house band (Yay!) the skits are a bit sub-Crackerjack though. But I don't think it flags (though I note what you mention Ronan, if it is tiredness then maybe five times a week isn't so good).

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread was funny, god I really hated Johnny Vaughan.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Its amazing what the random button will do for you.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/images/exercise%20man%20-%20One%20Arm%20Row.jpg

― Dada, Monday, 5 April 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

The new Capital Radio advert is terrible

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked the guy but after thinking he could act ('Orrible) and now thinking he can sing and dance, ungh

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

'Orrible was alright. I'd watch another series.

― de, Sunday, 9 May 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a shame he's going to Crapital cos his fivelive shows were good.

― de, Sunday, 9 May 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever happened to that Saturday night show the Beeb had lined up for him? Have they written him off as a dead horse already?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Parky's departure has created an unexpected chat show vacancy on a Saturday night...

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

To be filled by Graham Norton, I assume.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I would have thought they had plans for Norton anyway, prior to Parky's hissy fit.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post Soon to be filled by Jonathan Ross.
Hey it's a prediction not a wish.

― de, Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My cabbage assortment has more comedic talent than Norton.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Norton suffers from over-saturation. He was okay before 'V...'

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't see any benefit at all of moving Jonathan Ross' show from Friday to Saturday.

I did hear rumours that Eamonn fucking Holmes wanted Parky's gig, and even Graham Norton's got to be better than that. I think Johnny Vaughn would be good at the Parky straight-forward-interview thing rather than the laboured gag-fest that distinguishes comedy chat shows from talk shows.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm quite happy with Vaughan on the radio, where I don't have to see the smug expression on his face. And yes, the Capital ad is grating.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 10 May 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Vaughna and Denise Van Outen are lined up for flagship BBC Saturday Tea-time ragbag (Ant & Dec Takeaway / Noel's House Party) light entertainment muddle from September I hear.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 10 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

You lie.

― de, Monday, 10 May 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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