Michael Haneke remaked his own "funny games",now in english.why?!?!

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i've seen the trailer and thought "another idiotic hollywood remake "
but at the end of it...surprise...
so,did Haneke sold himself for good?hope not.

Zeno, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 02:14 (eighteen years ago)

it was so good, it needed to be made a 2nd time

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 02:15 (eighteen years ago)

yeah,like psycho...

Zeno, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)

NYT Magazine profile on Sunday too.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 02:18 (eighteen years ago)

LONG profile.

I saw the preview a few weeks ago and didn't like the looks of it at all.

Eazy, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

If it ends up being a shot for shot remake, it'll easily be one of the most fucked up and nasty and plain weird Hollywood films I can think of. Good cast.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

man that is one heavy duty movie. very curious about the us remake.

Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I think making a film in a particular culture and a particular year, and then re-filming it shot for shot in a different culture and a different year does not sound promising. I mean, seeing the preview for this new Funny Games in 2007, after a few years of Saw and more sadism in film (a step beyond the Woo-ish ultraviolence of the 90s), and in a time of war instead of a time of relative peace...it's just different than it would have seemed 10 years ago, and played out.

That said, I loved Code Unknown.

Eazy, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 05:22 (eighteen years ago)

He's re-making it for the same reason he re-made "Benny's Video" as "Cache" and the same reason he doesn't make any movies in German anymore: he's a hypocrite coward going back through his films and removing any autobiographical clues that might implicate his own love for violence (the Boys in White were Austrian locals terrorizing rich Germans in the original film, ha ha take that you Piefkes) so that, as re-made, they become become mere well-shot fingerpointing exercises.

Also given that the film appears to be a shot-by-shot remake of the original, the trailer is truly pathetic.

-- Nubbelverbrennung, Monday, 17 September 2007 18:45 (1 week ago) Link

Nubbelverbrennung, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 06:55 (eighteen years ago)

If like me, you hate him, read the NYT Mag thing and you'll hate him even more. The latest: Narrative storytelling can't be trusted because of the Nazis.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

It could have been worse, he could have blamed the Jews

Tom D., Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

that's an incredibly disingenuous reading of what he says, morbius.

i love caché and i love haneke even more after reading that article.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

Man Michael Pitt loves him some Leopold & Loeb.

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

I enjoy his camera stuff but his "themes" are pretty dinky.

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

He is a self-loathing horror nut.

Eric H., Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

... but his recent films have been fairly interesting.

Eric H., Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

The people who see his films do not see horror films like Saw (ie, me).

As to whether I'm being a dis-ingenue or not (his critical points about Tarantino and Stone sound decent, but then PF and NBK aren't particularly about 'real' violence)...

Minister of Fear
By JOHN WRAY

One evening last November at Steiner Studios in Brooklyn, Michael Haneke was struggling with the realities of working in America. It was the second-to-last day of shooting on “Funny Games,” Haneke’s first English-language feature, and the mood on set was approaching mutiny. A seemingly straightforward sequence of shots had become bogged down in technical concerns, and the word was that no additional studio time would be forthcoming. After 12 hours of nearly continuous work, the crew looked glassy-eyed and resentful, especially those among them — hair and makeup, production assistants and grips — whose job at that moment consisted mainly of standing around. Adding to the frustration were the multiple language barriers on set: the crew was American, the cameraman French and the director himself, with his elegant black suit and air of patrician reserve, as Austrian as Austrian can be. Only the children, the actor Devon Gearhart and his stand-in, Gregory Clifton, seemed motivated and eager to please. But by law, the child actors couldn’t work past 10 that night, and 10 was getting closer all the time.

The shot in question was relatively simple, if working with child actors can ever be considered simple: Gearhart, in the role of Georgie, a terrified 8-year-old hiding in an empty house, hears a noise behind him, turns and crosses a dimly lighted room. Once the not-inconsiderable lighting issues were resolved, however, a new problem emerged. Gearhart, who had repeatedly impressed with his ability to call forth strong emotion at will, seemed incapable of looking frightened. Haneke — a tall, owlish man whose neatly trimmed white beard makes him look a little like an haute couture Gandalf — took a grandfatherly approach with Gearhart, speaking to him with sympathy and patience, but his English often failed him. As it grew clear that his actor was running out of gas, the strain on the director became obvious. Then suddenly, Haneke sat bolt upright, stepped quickly over to the boy and began jumping up and down in front of him like a bewildered chimpanzee. In a few seconds the two of them were bobbing up and down together, giggling and panting. Wide awake now, out of breath and not a little startled, Gearhart nailed his performance on the very next take. Returning to the director’s chair, Haneke shot me a mischievous grin.

It’s not a little disconcerting, given the remorselessness of Haneke’s films, to come face to face with the director’s goofy side. Neither he nor Gearhart, who turned 12 in May, seemed the tiniest bit bothered by the presence on a nearby set of a perfect facsimile of the boy’s headless body, artfully arranged against a blood-spattered living-room wall. Later, when I mentioned the tense atmosphere during that day’s shoot, Haneke sighed and brought a finger to his lips. “We have a saying in Austria,” he said, his smile not entirely hidden behind his snowy beard. “The sewage is up to our necks already — whatever you do, don’t make waves.”

Making waves, however, is what Haneke has become famous for. Over the last two decades, the director has developed a reputation for stark, often brutal films that place the viewer — sometimes subtly, sometimes explicitly — in the uncomfortable role of accomplice to the crimes playing out on-screen. This approach has made Haneke one of contemporary cinema’s most reviled and revered figures, earning him everything from accusations of obscenity to a retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art next month. “Funny Games,” the movie Haneke was shooting in New York and Long Island, is the American remake of a highly controversial film by the same name that he directed in 1997. It was from its beginnings targeted at the American moviegoing public — and no other word but “targeted” will do. “Funny Games” is a direct assault on the conventions of cinematic violence in the United States, and the new version of the film, with its English-speaking cast and unmistakably American production design, makes this excruciatingly clear. More surprising still, Haneke remade this attack on the Hollywood thriller for a major Hollywood studio, Warner Independent Pictures, and refused to alter the original film’s story in the slightest.

The premise of “Funny Games” is simple: a likable, prosperous, well-adjusted family — played, in the version to be released early next year, by Naomi Watts, Tim Roth and Devon Gearhart — is visited at the family summer house by two well-dressed young men claiming to be guests of the neighbors. Over the course of the next hour, these two polite, articulate strangers force the family to take part in progressively more sadistic contests, periodically stepping outside the film’s action to speak to the viewer directly. The technique of the “dramatic aside” is nothing new — Brecht made great use of it, Shakespeare built whole plays around it and the ancient Greek chorus served no other purpose — but in the context of an otherwise straightforward thriller, it’s profoundly disturbing. The young men make no secret of their disdain for their victims; but the bulk of their contempt is reserved for the audience. The experience of watching “Funny Games” is not unlike watching snuff-porn clips late at night in your bedroom, only to have your mother or Jacques Lacan switch the light on periodically without the slightest warning. That was my own experience, at least, and Haneke seemed delighted to hear it.

“ ‘Funny Games’ is an anti-genre film,” Haneke told me over lunch on his last day in New York. “It moves like a thriller, it has a thriller’s structure, but at the same time it comments on itself. A movie is always a manipulation, regardless of whether it’s a biopic or a romantic comedy, and ‘Funny Games’ takes this manipulation as its primary subject. So you were perfectly right to feel uncomfortable.” This last statement was punctuated by Haneke’s trademark goofy laugh. Shooting wrapped on “Funny Games” the day before, and any traces of the stress I’d seen on set had vanished. “People in the film industry underestimate their audience,” he continued. “I believe the viewer is fundamentally more intelligent than most films give him credit for, but only if you give him the opportunity to use his brain.”

From the very start of his career, Haneke’s films have been calculated to shatter the viewer’s complacency to a degree rarely seen since the early work of Mike Leigh or perhaps since the politicized days of the French New Wave. Haneke’s characters are adrift in a profoundly dysfunctional world, one in which consolation and insight are equally hard to come by. One of Haneke’s greatest successes, both critically and commercially, was “The Piano Teacher,” adapted from a novel by Elfriede Jelinek. The film, released in 2001, stars Isabelle Huppert as Erika Kohut, an aging, severely repressed classical pianist who begins a disastrous, sadomasochistic affair with her most promising student. The film won the grand jury prize at Cannes and best acting awards for both of its leads, and it drew packed crowds at art-house theaters across Europe and the United States. As Haneke’s prominence grew, however, so too did resistance to his methods. He has repeatedly been criticized as a purveyor of shock cinema, not so much for the violence in his films (little of which is explicit) as for the often brutal way in which the meaning of that violence is explored. “Violence in my films is shown as it really is,” Haneke has said. “The suffering of a victim. The viewer comes to see what it means to act violently — that’s why the films are often experienced as painful.”

At times, “painful” seems almost an understatement. In an infamous scene from “Benny’s Video,” Haneke’s second feature, a teenage son plays his parents the videotape of a murder he committed while they were away on vacation. The audience has witnessed the murder once already, but this second viewing, with the parents themselves now a de facto part of the audience, is vastly more affecting. Why, I asked Haneke, was the experience so different the second time? “When you see the killing first, you’re too shocked and bewildered to let the fact of it sink in,” he replied. “But the moment that the parents, with whom one naturally identifies, sit down to watch the video, one begins to see the murder in its social context: the discrepancy between the act we are witnessing and normal social behavior becomes clear.” He smiled. “It’s always important to keep in mind who’s watching.”

This question of who’s watching — both within the film and outside of it — is one of Haneke’s chief obsessions. For most successful directors, whether in Europe or America, the audience exists to be entertained; for Haneke it seems to exist to be confronted. Where another director might cut tactfully away, Haneke’s camera lingers. His screenplays, which he always writes himself, have a sense of purpose about them that only polemic works of art can have. The ideology that underlies Haneke’s filmmaking is a deeply personal, idiosyncratic one, but it’s an ideology nonetheless. Haneke is a man very much at odds with the accepted values of the industry he works in, and if you ask him, he’ll be happy to tell you why.

“Political manipulation is rampant in the American media,” Haneke told me over lunch in downtown Manhattan last winter. “It’s present in the movies too, of course. It’s everywhere. I teach filmmaking in Vienna, and I like to show my students ‘Triumph of the Will,’ by Leni Riefenstahl, then something by Sergei Eisenstein — ‘Battleship Potemkin,’ for example — and then ‘Air Force One,’ the movie in which Harrison Ford plays the U.S. president. Each of these films has a distinct political agenda, but all make use of exactly the same techniques, all have a common goal — the total manipulation of the viewer. What’s terrible about the Harrison Ford film, though, especially terrible, is that it represents itself as simple entertainment. The audience doesn’t realize there’s a message hidden there.” Haneke sat back and shook his head gravely.

The difference between Haneke’s agenda and that of films like “Air Force One” was cast into sharp relief at the premiere of the original “Funny Games” in Cannes. “It was funny — funny for me, at least — how the theater reacted to Anna’s shooting of Dickie,” Haneke told me, referring to a scene late in the film when the heroine turns the tables on her captors. “There was actual applause at first — then, when the scene is rewound, making the audience conscious of what it’s cheering for, the theater went absolutely silent. There was a general realization, even though the victim in this case was a villain in the film, that they’d been applauding an act of murder.” Haneke frowned slightly at the memory, but the frown appeared to be one of satisfaction. “I’m hoping for something similar when ‘Funny Games’ shows here.”

The decision to remake his signature work in America with an A-list cast caused considerable controversy among hardcore cinephiles, not least because of Haneke’s reputation as one of Hollywood’s most outspoken critics. Haneke was quick to defend himself. “Of course I’m a critic of the studio system,” he said, as if it were unthinkable not to be. “But that doesn’t mean that one can’t work within that system. ‘Funny Games’ was always made with American audiences in mind, since its subject is Hollywood’s attitude toward violence. And nothing has changed about that attitude since the first version of my film was released — just the opposite, in fact.” When I asked whether the average American moviegoer was likely to appreciate having his attitude adjusted, Haneke-style, the director thought for a moment, then threw up his hands in mock surrender. “I’ve been accused of ‘raping’ the audience in my films, and I admit to that freely — all movies assault the viewer in one way or another. What’s different about my films is this: I’m trying to rape the viewer into independence.”

Haneke was born on March 23, 1942, in Munich, to a genteel theatrical family — his father, Fritz Haneke, was a respected actor and director, and his mother, Beatrix von Degenschild, was an actress in her own right and a daughter of the local aristocracy. After the war, his family moved to Wiener Neustadt in Lower Austria, a half-hour’s train ride from Vienna. As soon as he graduated from high school, Haneke lost no time in moving to the capital, where he studied psychology, philosophy and — naturally enough — theater at the University of Vienna; if the teenage Haneke had had his way, however, he might never have directed a film.

“Originally, I wanted to be a pianist,” Haneke told me. “But luckily for me, my stepfather was a professional musician, and he took me aside one day and said, ‘Look, Michael, it’s very nice that you’re playing piano all the time, but I have to tell you that you’re never going to make it.’ ” When I expressed sympathy for this setback, Haneke frowned and shook his head. “No, no,” he said quickly. “I’m grateful to my stepfather for his honesty. There’s nothing worse than a moderately talented musician.”

Well meant or not, his stepfather’s intercession freed the young Haneke to pursue his other great passion, one that arrived like a thunderbolt in the winter of 1948. “I must have been 6 years old when I saw my first film,” Haneke told me when I visited the spacious apartment in Vienna’s eighth district that he shares with his wife, Suzie, a dealer in antique jewelry and silver. “It was Laurence Olivier’s ‘Hamlet.’ I remember the gradual darkening of the theater, the slow, somber opening of the curtain, the first bleak images of the sea-locked castle and the even bleaker music that accompanied them. My grandmother, who was sitting next to me in the theater, told me years later that she had to take me out almost at once, because I began screaming in terror. From that moment on I was hooked.” I felt obliged to ask Haneke whether it struck him as odd that a child so easily disturbed by images on-screen would grow up to make movies often described as unbearable to watch. After a moment’s silence, he answered, “Not at all.”

Haneke’s second pivotal moviegoing experience came more than a decade later, when he saw Tony Richardson’s “Tom Jones” as a student. “Suddenly, about a third of the way through the film,” Haneke told me, “the hero, played by Albert Finney, stops in the middle of a chase scene, turns to face the camera — in other words, the viewer — and addresses a few offhand remarks to the audience. Nothing especially racy, but by that simple gesture he shocks the viewer into self-awareness.” Though he didn’t know it at the time, that moment marked a loss of cinematic innocence that would indelibly mark every film he went on to direct. “After ‘Tom Jones,’ I began to look behind the mirror, so to speak — to see the cinema with different eyes, and to distrust the storytellers, who claimed to be serving up real life. But my hunger for stories was stronger than ever — I wasn’t sure what I was looking for from cinema, but I knew it would have to offer the magic of my first moviegoing experiences without turning me into a passive, voiceless victim of the story — which is to say, of the people behind the story. I wanted movies that enchanted me without exploiting me.”

At certain moments, a conversation with Haneke can feel like a clandestine meeting with the leader of the Cinematic Liberation Front, and this was one of them. Even the word “exploitation” has taken on a kind of lurid appeal — blaxploitation, sexploitation — in the current cultural landscape, and his argument struck me as both romantic and dated. When I said as much — tactfully, of course — to Haneke, he simply nodded. Then I realized that was exactly his point.

Haneke may have become serious about movies early on, but decades would pass before he would direct his first feature. After attending the University of Vienna, he returned to Germany in 1967, where he spent the next four years working for Bavaria’s equivalent of the BBC as a producer before becoming a freelance screenwriter and director. His first theatrical feature film, “The Seventh Continent,” made at the age of 47, was released on the big screen only after having been rejected by a German television station. It’s not hard to guess why the network passed. The film follows the final days and hours of an archetypal middle-class family who have decided, for no apparent reason, to destroy all their possessions and commit suicide. Many of the hallmarks of Haneke’s style are already in evidence: the deliberate pacing, the static, unflinching camera, the dominance of blue tones over red, and the placement, à la Hitchcock, of the most grisly violence tantalizingly out of view. Two equally stark studies in violence and alienation — “Benny’s Video” and “71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance” — followed “The Seventh Continent,” and the three films together, which have since come to be known as “The Glaciation Trilogy,” earned him a measure of admiration outside the German-speaking world. It was his next film, however, that made cinephiles the world over take notice. That film was “Funny Games.”

“Funny Games” occupies a unique place in Haneke’s body of work, not least because of his decision to shoot it twice. “Originally, I approached Michael about optioning ‘Funny Games’ for some other director,” Chris Coen, the film’s producer, told me. “And Michael’s reply was that he’d do it himself, but only if I could get Naomi Watts for the lead. I hadn’t thought about him wanting to do it, to be honest. But he said very clearly that ‘Funny Games’ was the one film of his that he’d allow no one else to direct.” Hollywood has a long and hallowed tradition of buying the rights to art-house hits and refashioning them to suit its own ends — in fact, the director Ron Howard recently acquired the rights to Haneke’s “Caché” — but Haneke’s decision to remake his own film surprised fans and colleagues alike. The peculiarity of the project seems to have been part of its appeal. “To my knowledge, no one has ever remade his own film so precisely,” the director told me in Vienna, with an unmistakable trace of boyish pride. “The new version is the same film superficially, of course, but it’s also very different: a different atmosphere, different performances, a different end result. That in and of itself is interesting.”

Interesting and potentially nightmarish. Having Haneke at the helm seems to have led, perhaps inevitably, to conflict with Warner Independent, the studio that is distributing “Funny Games”: the film’s release date was repeatedly delayed, possibly a result of disagreement over whether the film should be positioned for the horror market or for a wider audience. “He had panic attacks about how the film was going to be received and problems with the crew, and language problems,” said Brady Corbet, who plays Peter, one of the two wisecracking, self-reflective killers in the remake. “It was a nightmare for him, and I doubt he’ll ever try to work here again.”

When I asked Haneke if he would return to work in the U.S., he took an uncharacteristically long time to reply. “I enjoyed many things about the shoot,” he said, clearly choosing his words with great care. “I enjoyed working with the actors especially. The actors were wonderful.”

Haneke has always had a gift for eliciting extraordinary performances from his actors, an absolute necessity in films that otherwise refuse to cater to the audience. “The Piano Teacher” seems to have been unthinkable for him without Isabelle Huppert; “Code Unknown” was written specifically for Juliette Binoche; and without Naomi Watts, it seems very likely that “Funny Games” would never have been remade. Watching both versions of “Funny Games” back to back is especially revealing of Haneke’s skill. Though the dialogue, framing and sequence of shots are identical, the end result is remarkably different: Michael Pitt, the other of the family’s tormentors, brings a disconcerting sweetness to his role; Tim Roth emotes where Ulrich Mahe endured stoically; and Watts herself infuses her character’s suffering with a sexuality that Susanne Lothar, perhaps intentionally, kept at a definite remove.

“What makes Michael different from other directors,” Corbet told me, “is his absolute specificity — there’s one way to make this movie, period. He’s a total dictator. Before this shoot started, I spoke to a number of actors who’d worked with him, and all of them told me the same thing: ‘Brace yourself.’ ”

There’s an element of paradox in the task Haneke has set himself: in order to make films that confront the use of violence as titillation, it’s necessary to make violent films and even, to some extent, titillating ones. In the course of each of his productions, Haneke has had to navigate these ethically and conceptually fraught waters anew, with varying degrees of success. His films have by no means earned him unanimous praise: moviegoers and critics alike have often resented the missionary quality in his work, and accusations of self-righteousness have dogged him throughout his career. Reviewing the original version of “Funny Games,” the critic J. Hoberman wrote: “His movies are founded on the denial of catharsis and, to compound the creepiness, Haneke insists he is occupying the moral high ground. . . . The wheel is rigged so only Haneke can win.” One of the great paradoxes of Haneke’s position is that the methods he despises are the only methods at his disposal, and the criticisms his own films garner are often not so very different — on the surface, at least — from comments he himself has made about films that he hates.

His most widely seen film in the U.S., “Caché,” released in 2005, won Haneke his second major prize at Cannes and is perhaps the director’s most delicate balancing act. By turns both Hitchcockian thriller and cool morality play, “Caché” follows a Parisian haute-bourgeois family as it unravels in the face of a harassment campaign that is chilling in its simplicity: each morning a videocassette containing footage of the family’s house is mysteriously dropped off on its doorstep, showing the comings and goings of each family member but giving no clue as to the maker of the tape. No overt threats are made, and no explanations given, but the family — Daniel Auteuil, Lester Makedonsky and Juliette Binoche, in her second starring role for Haneke — do the rest of the harasser’s work for him. By the end of the film, a devastating secret has come to light, a man has been killed and the family is damaged beyond repair.

“Caché” is simultaneously the most conventional and the most opaque of Haneke’s films, and arguably the most effective. While one of the central mysteries of the film — the question of who is making the tapes — is never resolved, why the tapes are being made soon becomes clear. The father of the family, to all appearances a model left-leaning intellectual, is a man with a crime in his past: as a boy, during the time of the Algerian conflict, he betrayed a young Algerian ward of his family, resulting in the ward’s abandonment and eventual suicide. Though Haneke resists being represented as a political filmmaker, it’s hard to avoid seeing a message here: namely, that the comforts of the bourgeoisie have been paid for in blood, and in the case of France, that blood was largely North African. In our talks, Haneke repeatedly criticized films that summarize or explain themselves to the viewer — that do the audience’s work for it, in other words — but “Caché” comes dangerously close to doing just that. Yet, just as “Caché” seems about to supply the viewer with any number of conventionally satisfying solutions, it slyly — some would say maddeningly — refuses to choose between them, closing with an intriguing final shot that may or may not hold the answer. The fact that the film ultimately succeeds is no small tribute to the director’s considerable talent as a juggler of audience expectations.

Largely because of its preoccupation with violence as entertainment, “Funny Games” has been compared with Stanley Kubrick’s “Clockwork Orange.” Haneke himself, however, views “A Clockwork Orange” as a noble failure. “I’m a huge Kubrick fan, but I find ‘A Clockwork Orange’ a kind of miscalculation, because he makes the brutality so spectacular — so stylized, with dance numbers and so on — that you almost have to admire it,” he told me. “I read somewhere — I’m not sure if it’s true — that Kubrick was completely shocked when he saw how the public reacted to ‘A Clockwork Orange,’ and that he even tried to have the film recalled. It became a cult hit because people found its hyperstylized violence somehow cool, and that was certainly not what Kubrick had intended.” Haneke shook his head slowly. “It’s incredibly difficult to present violence on-screen in a responsible manner. I would never claim to be cleverer than Kubrick, but I have the advantage of making my films after he made his. I’ve been able to learn a tremendous amount from his mistakes.” Whether one of those mistakes was to make a film that actually had popular appeal was a question that Haneke left unanswered.

Haneke’s sudden prominence, and the unfailingly extreme subject matter of his films, has led to comparisons with Quentin Tarantino, with John Woo and with the directors of the so-called Asian Extreme movement, but Haneke himself sees little common ground. “I saw ‘Pulp Fiction,’ of course, and it’s a very well done film,” he said. “The problem, as I see it, is with its comedy — there’s a danger there, because the humor makes the violence consumable. Humor of that kind is all right, even useful, as long as the viewer is made to think about why he’s laughing. But that’s something ‘Pulp Fiction’ fails to do.” When I mentioned Oliver Stone’s “Natural Born Killers,” another film that “Funny Games” has been compared with, Haneke shrugged. “Stone made the same mistake that Kubrick made. I use that film to illustrate a principle to my students — you can’t make an antifascist statement using fascist methods.”

Haneke has his own theory for the divergent routes taken by Hollywood and Europe, one in which, perhaps not surprisingly, the darker side of German and Austrian history plays a central role. “At the beginning of the 20th century,” he told me, “when film began in Europe, storytelling of the kind still popular in Hollywood was every bit as popular here. Then the Nazis came, and the intellectuals — a great number of whom were Jewish — were either murdered or managed to escape to America and elsewhere. There were no intellectuals anymore — most of them were dead. Those who escaped to America were able to continue the storytelling approach to film — really a 19th-century tradition — with a clear conscience, since it hadn’t been tainted by fascism. But in the German-speaking world, and in most of the rest of Europe, that type of straightforward storytelling, which the Nazis had made such good use of, came to be viewed with distrust. The danger hidden in storytelling became clear — how easy it was to manipulate the crowd. As a result, film, and especially literature, began to examine itself. Storytelling, with all the tricks and ruses it requires, became gradually suspect. This was not the case in Hollywood.” At this point, Haneke asked politely whether I was following him, and I told him that I was. “I’m glad,” he said, apparently with genuine relief. “For Americans, this can sometimes be hard to accept.”

Over the last decade, a new group of Francophone filmmakers has come to prominence in Europe, one less bedazzled by the Hollywood genre films that so influenced the New Wave directors than by the work of French auteurs like Jean Renoir and Robert Bresson. The Belgian-born Dardenne brothers, for example, favor dark, naturalistic studies of working-class life, while Bruno Dumont, a former professor of philosophy, makes violent and sexually explicit films that tend toward parable. But both share a preference for long, intricately composed shots, a resolutely anti-Hollywood aesthetic and a Bressonian aversion for spelling things out. Haneke feels at home in their company: “I wait for each new film by Luc and Jean-Pierre Dardenne, Abbas Kiarostami, Claire Denis and Bruno Dumont. I enjoy all sorts of films, but those are the people that really interest me. I admire the Dardenne brothers tremendously, but I feel closest, in my work, to Dumont. Dumont’s films are basically existential works, philosophical films, not political ones. I think of my own films that way.” There are other notable similarities between Haneke and Dumont: both directors make violent films that focus on the consequences of the act of violence, rather than on the act itself; both have won the coveted grand jury prize at Cannes; and both were booed there when their awards were announced. When I mentioned this to Haneke, he grinned. “Some of my fondest professional memories are of upsetting the audience at Cannes.”

“I had a dream last night,” Haneke told me toward the end of our lunch in New York. “A nightmare, to be exact. Maybe you’ll find it useful for your piece.” For a moment he was uncharacteristically quiet. He finally said: “I was sitting in a bus, and suddenly it went out of control. For some reason I was responsible for everybody’s safety, but I couldn’t get the steering wheel to work: perhaps it was broken, perhaps someone else was preventing me. People were wandering up and down the street, and the bus ran them over, unavoidably, one after another. Somehow I was responsible for this, but I was helpless to prevent it.” He took a slow, thoughtful sip of his coffee. “A pretty terrible dream, but to me it seems representative of our current situation in the world. All of us are responsible but unable to change the direction of the bus — everyone in Europe, everyone in the so-called first world, is in that same position. A horrible predicament, almost unbearable if you think about it, but the bus keeps right on rolling.” He laughed again. “Maybe I’ll use that in one of my films.”

John Wray is the author of the novels “Canaan’s Tongue” and “The Right Hand of Sleep.” He last wrote for the magazine on heavy-metal bands.


Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

so you disagree that manipulative, unreflexive narratives that efface their own political assumptions are less popular in europe than in america, and that the split started happening some time in the 1930s? the quote makes him sound like he's saying this was some deliberate, retrospective move on the part of european directors - which i wd have to disagree with, if that's what he is saying - since it had already begun with brecht

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, that Nazi stuff is total bollocks

Tom D., Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

Even he says that all films are "manipulative," as I've said to every Spielberg hater on ILX.

It figures that he likes Dumont, whose films are just as soulless as Cache, but dumber. (I do still like Time of the Wolf and Code Unknown)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

Dumont's films are, surely, mostly about soullessness (sp?) so i don't think any admirer of dumont would take that as a criticism. i don't think Caché is soulless but its coldness is one of the things that's so affecting about it.

jed_, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

He is going to teach us all a very important lesson about violence in the media.

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

I've seem Haneke's last five films at the cinema and all three of the Saw movies; I'm sure I'm not alone in this

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

no, but if I had a nickel for every one of you, I'm still taking the subway.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

“We have a saying in Austria,” he said, his smile not entirely hidden behind his snowy beard. “The sewage is up to our necks already — whatever you do, don’t make waves.”

--

catchy!

pisces, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

"...as Austrian as Austrian can be."

What the hell does this mean?

"Michael Pitt, the other of the family’s tormentors, brings a disconcerting sweetness to his role; Tim Roth emotes where Ulrich Mahe endured stoically; and Watts herself infuses her character’s suffering with a sexuality that Susanne Lothar, perhaps intentionally, kept at a definite remove"

Oh, ok, it means that John Wray is a monolingual moron who only knows what he reads in the subtitles. Just the guy to write a puff piece on Haneke, then.

Nubbelverbrennung, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

I might respect Haneke more if he directed straight schlock like "Disturbia" or "Hostel."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

but if he didn't hate fun we wouldn't know he wasn't trash

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

apparently Jay-Z is already obsessed with this, so dud

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Why are you allowing Jay-Z to dictate your tastes?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

quitit is funnier than an scrotal hematoma.

anyone seen Lemmings? (Haneke, not National Lampoon's)

Dr Morbius, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

i was zinging el morbio

xpost

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

Oh.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 October 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-70W_K77U

TRAILER

pisces, Sunday, 14 October 2007 01:40 (eighteen years ago)

""funny games",now in english. why?!?!"

Why not?

I've actually not seen 'funny games', but have obv read about it. Love 'The piano teacher' and 'Hidden'. Anyone from here going to see this at the London film fest.

When does this get a wider release?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 October 2007 09:55 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://www.institut-francais.org.uk/content/blogcategory/14/92/

Preview on the 29th, so it will be here soon - just as gd is a season of Haneke's films throughout March. Only seen four of his films, none of them from before the mid-90s.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 February 2008 12:10 (seventeen years ago)

Brooklynite actor Michael Pitt has come a long way from starring on Dawson’s Creek, and in the current issue of Giant magazine he delivers, in context, some particularly vapid-funny-traditionally-hipster quotes about the Saw franchise, U.S. soldiers and people who won’t/don’t “get” the March remake of Funny Games.

On his film preferences…

“I don’t even know what Saw or Hostel are. Are they like Texas Chainsaw Massacre? I guess I’m drawn to things like Lawrence of Arabia.”

And then he adds…

“[Audiences that don’t like Funny Games] can kiss my ass. I hope they do [get angry with] Funny Games. It challenges you. If you’re not up to the challenge, go see Saw.”

And not to get Fox News-y, but coming from Pitt, “one of the faces of Emporio Armani and a friend of author J.T. Leroy,” this quote equating being a soldier to regression is ridiculous…

“People think that, until you’ve killed someone or had someone shoot at you, you’re not a grown-up. Going to war isn’t growing up; it’s moving backwards.”

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/02/16/michael-pitt-disses-saw-fans-soldiers-funny-games-detractors/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:14 (seventeen years ago)

I made the Saw comparison earlier because the preview has such a "let the games begin...enjoy the ride" style similar to Saw (and very similar to A Clockwork Orange as well, I guess. But the whole irony of violence and torture being a game, plus the shots of Naomi Watts resembling the Capticity posters from last summer, are, as I said earlier, part of what put the new version in a different context from the original.

Eazy, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:22 (seventeen years ago)

I forgot a close-parenthesis, and it's Capitivity.

Eazy, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

i don't want to see this, 'saw', or the original 'funny games'. some people need really elaborate ways to watch scenes of torture, some people less elaborate.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

The meta makes me curious, but I'm just a blowhard, what do I know.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)

i don't want to see this, 'saw', or the original 'funny games'. some people need really elaborate ways to watch scenes of torture, some people less elaborate.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:23 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

This is so, so, so correct. Even the preview pissed me off, actually.

remy bean, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:56 (seventeen years ago)

nrq OTM, fuck this whole genre

J.D., Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:10 (seventeen years ago)

As I understand it (haven't seen), most of the pain in this occurs off screen?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:13 (seventeen years ago)

think u can hear it.

think the clever idea is OH FUCK IT I DON'T CARE.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:18 (seventeen years ago)

I watched and loved four of Haneke's French films before sitting down to watch Funny Games so expectations were pretty high. I watched a third of it, or maybe half of it, before switching it off. It wasn't that I disagreed with anything about it . . . It's just that I found it boring, leaden, overwrought, etc.

fields of salmon, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:30 (seventeen years ago)

somebody should make a satire of movie violence in which all the characters are really nice to each other

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:33 (seventeen years ago)

somebody should get these motherfucking snakes off this motherfucking plane... but make it a sly commentary on our attitudes towards violence toward animals.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:35 (seventeen years ago)

somebody should make a satire of movie violence in which all the characters are really nice to each other

-- Noodle Vague, Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:33 PM

I kinda felt like all the Rodney Dangerfield flashbacks in Natural Born Killers were severely wrongheaded and backwards attempt at this.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:52 (seventeen years ago)

that whole film was severely wrongheaded and backwards.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:54 (seventeen years ago)

Like a real torture-porn movie like Hostel actually looks better than Haneke's shit. All his shots are so economical. It's supposed to look dry and scarier with its plainness and clinical nature, but it just looks like someone getting stabbed on nice Ikea furniture.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

now this is just ridiculous - haneke is a crazily gifted filmmaker even if he does fuck around w/some self righteous bullshit - eli roth on the other hand is a complete hack - if u wanted to say mikke pwnd haneke u might hav a better case

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 17:51 (sixteen years ago)

miike

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 17:55 (sixteen years ago)

hostel is great imo

s1ocki, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 17:59 (sixteen years ago)

eh hostels pretty shitty except at the end when its pretty great

im so over haneke im not even gonna give him the satisfaction of being outraged on the internet

idk i never saw this remake maybe its terrible but i really loved the piano teacher feel like for that alone he deserves more than just disdain for the 2nd rate

sadness/crying (Lamp), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

loved this

no. (jjjusten), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 22:43 (sixteen years ago)

still refuse to see it because of hating the smugness of the original so much, which is kind of tragic considering that the movie was pretty great right up until 2/3 of the way through when it turned into a meaningless, self-indulgent sermon full of suck

I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 22:46 (sixteen years ago)

never saw the original so no direct comparison wrt actors, kind of dont give a fuck what haneke believes the movie is doing as a indictment of voyeuristic violence blah blah - its a smart movie, v v economical in the way it is filmed, several great heartbreaking moments where you get a taste of relief and then it gets DENIED (obv one of which is the rewind thing, but that is just the most overt moment of lots of points where your expectations are dashed), really just a cold and effective movie.

oh and btw this is about 10 bagazillion miles away from the whole torture porn aesthetic so looking at it through that lens is just kind of wrongheaded IMO, no matter what haneke might want.

xpost huh well i dunno that i would expect it to be different but it worked for me

no. (jjjusten), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 22:54 (sixteen years ago)

The rewind thing was the straw that broke the camel's back for me; I was able to deal with the minor nods that broke the fourth wall but when dude flat-out rewound the film so he wouldn't have to deal with his brother's death, I basically was like "fuck you, the rules of pain and loss apply to you, too, unless the writer/director is just trying to be a self-righteous dick".

I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 22:56 (sixteen years ago)

oh hold up is it made clear that they are brothers in the original because that is not at all the case in the remake.

i think i was ok with the implacable evil vibe which allowed for the rewind scene to work for me - i dont really see the two dudes in white as human at all, all the weird fake emotional taunting back and forth, start/stop crying scenes from the less talkative of the two, the constantly changing names, and of course the rewind scene makes them somehow alien and other in a way where i accept that the rules dont apply to them somehow. (of course i feel this way about Chigurgh or whatever in No Country and no one agrees with me there either so...)

no. (jjjusten), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

...so to recap. the idea is that he remakes it shot for shot, to give an american audience a chance to see it in their own language because they didn't see it when it was in a foreging language?

_______

Gross
$1,294,640 (USA) (27 April 2008)

____________

ahahahahahahahaahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

chew on that.

piscesx, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 23:44 (sixteen years ago)

ok so the real rub on that is:

The Strangers took place in Florence, South Carolina on a budget of $9,000,000. Filming began on October 10, 2006 and finished in early 2007. After two postponements, the film was eventually released on May 30, 2008 in North America. The film was marketed as being inspired by a "true story", and grossed $81.6 million at the box office worldwide.

no. (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:15 (sixteen years ago)

i mean honestly that statistic makes me surprised that Haneke himself isn't out doing a door to door torture and humliliate campaign in America

no. (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:17 (sixteen years ago)

xxpost

yeah, i guess that's about what you can expect to make on a film that's meant as a chastisement to the audience.

buttslam is a pretty good move (circa1916), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:22 (sixteen years ago)

(i did like the original though, in spite of it's self-righteousness. it was at very least well made and interesting.)

buttslam is a pretty good move (circa1916), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:23 (sixteen years ago)

the strangers is GREAT

sans crit (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:41 (sixteen years ago)

Man Michael Pitt loves him some Leopold & Loeb.

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 25, 200

^^^^^

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 April 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah just watched The Strangers tonight and it's a damn sight better than Haneke's point making exercise.

Number None, Monday, 27 April 2009 00:29 (sixteen years ago)

i mean honestly that statistic makes me surprised that Haneke himself isn't out doing a door to door torture and humliliate campaign in America

i think he prefers to do it from art houses.

I liked the Strangers until everyone started taking stupid pills ("holy shit, I just drove to my friend's house and someone threw a rock into my window! oh wow, and their car is totally fucked up! the house looks broken into...I think I'll walk through it AS QUIETLY AS POSSIBLE").

da croupier, Monday, 27 April 2009 13:11 (sixteen years ago)

Haneke has signed on to direct a production of Mozart's "Cosi fan tutte" at the Madrid opera in 2012 or so. Expect laughs a-plenty.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 2 May 2009 19:07 (sixteen years ago)

what do you mean?

jed_, Saturday, 2 May 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

Haneke has worked in theater and has had some training in music, so its not out of place exactly...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 May 2009 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, he worked in theatre for most of his career and has directly plenty of opera.

jed_, Saturday, 2 May 2009 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

"plenty of opera" = one Don Giovanni that sucked.

Three Word Username, Sunday, 3 May 2009 05:11 (sixteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

For the longest time I have wanted to see Funny Games. The original. Then yesterday, I was in the library and took the box and I nearly rofled: I had seen this about ten years ago. Had completely forgotten the title and that it was Haneke's movie. But fuck me I was awestruck again. I remember being floored by it. Now even more, seeing it again. Such a hard movie. Fucking ace; Now I have to see all of Haneke. And no, I haven't seen any other of his movies. lolol (I also watched The Seventh Seal.)

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

oh i'm sure there will be a few people along to correct you, tell you that you have simply been manipulated, and show you the error of your ways.

jed_, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 12:15 (fifteen years ago)

nathalie, you are not correct, you have simply been manipulated, please see the error in your ways.

fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

^ see

jed_, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 12:22 (fifteen years ago)

I like how much they hate this movie (original and also the remake) on Allmovie.com. In some fucked up way I love it even more. (This is very unlike me, I tend to be influenced by reviews way too much. lolol)

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 12:42 (fifteen years ago)

I can understand why people would think Haneke is haughty (?) but I can stomach that (esp when it's from a brilliant filmmaker). I like how he makes you complicit in the pleasure of violence. (Does that make sense?) I also loved the choice of victims. Bourgeois and not likeable until you strip the veneer away.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 12:44 (fifteen years ago)

"funny games" is awfully pretentious, i think.

groovemaaan, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)

lol this movie

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)

formerly known as lol this guy

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

should've renamed it "lol games" for american audiences

sipster cuppies (some dude), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)

I was about to watch this at about 2.30 last night until I read an ILM thread saying, 'don't whatever you do, watch it before you go to bed', which chilled me a bit. Generally I'm fearless about these intense films though.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:38 (fifteen years ago)

I did that last night. No problems whatsoever. Strangely the suffocating feeling immediately evaporated after the film was finished.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)

I think I like violence a bit too much maybe? :-(

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe you just have a healthy appetite for provocative, challenging cinema! That's how I console myself about my horror film fandom..

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)

I have always had a very strong interest - at one point even obsession - with psychopaths. I love yet don't share (completely) Haneke's view on the world. Maybe Haneke is in this way very European (and why he doesn't seem to be loved as much in the US?) I think why it didn't really scare me (afterwards!), was that it was not only horror but also about how people view horror. It was meta, a critique on horror. So kind of removed as well. Probably doesn't really make much sense.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah that seems right; here and particularly around and at my uni people worship him as this New Auteur. He's become this popular and even hip namedrop. I have only seen the White Ribbon (which i liked but didn't ADORE) but I have Funny Games and Cache ready to watch once I've finished this critical commentary!

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)

Cache, Piano Teacher and WR will be something for the next week. I wanna see all of his movies. :-)

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

i'm sure everyone is pining for my voice to be added to this ongoing fruitful discussion, but i finally watched the original (cuz it streams no netflix and the remake doesn't) and i think it's pretty much a classic.

as for the fourth wall stuff, i didn't think of the rewind scene as, like, the one dude deciding that the rules of pain & loss don't apply to him... i guess to me it worked in the same way american filmmakers will pull the rug out in front of you with something like a dream/hallucination sequence, but this was obviously way more overt, which i thought was great. the winking at the camera and talking to the audience was a bit "cute"... maybe it was more novel 13 years ago but it was a bit lol now.

otherwise i thought there was tons of tension & thought the two dudes were sufficiently awful and creepy. they were scary and i wanted them to not get their way. so success i guess.

ok dennis hopper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 May 2010 08:39 (fifteen years ago)

I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH

**a bit spoilery here obv**

for people who watched the remake, how did they handle the phone thing? i was willing to believe that in 1997 a family would only have one cell phone amongst the three of them & that there was no other way of communication (no laptops or w/e) in the house so they were indeed trapped there even tho the two kids left. in 2007... this really wouldn't work for me, so i think the remake would suffer dramatically if it does play it straight to the original and the family only has one cell phone that gets pwnd by the water in the sink. is that what happens? pretty lame, if so.

ok dennis hopper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 May 2010 08:42 (fifteen years ago)

& like, in the original, the father is all "i don't know the number for the police" (i guess this could happen in europe?) & haneke makes it seem like they can't use the phone cuz they don't know any numbers by heart & that the speed dial isn't working because the phone is wet, but it would've worked if they knew some numbers off the tops of their heads which... okay, it's 1997! technology was worse and we were all dumber! i guess i'll ride with that... but i just don't see how in the remake he could actually convince me that they didn't have any means of communication with the outside world

ok dennis hopper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 May 2010 08:44 (fifteen years ago)

bump, still curious

ok dennis hopper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 May 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)

I don't remember exactly (watched the US version not the European) but the phone does run into some water trouble and I think there is some added signal is down stuff.

In Europe there would be a simple emergency number (this is the case in the UK).

Not a massive problem given the fourth wall and what its going for: they aren't meant to get away and there will be no justice hooray.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 30 May 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZVcRccCx0

history mayne, Sunday, 30 May 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)

I don't remember exactly (watched the US version not the European) but the phone does run into some water trouble and I think there is some added signal is down stuff.

In Europe there would be a simple emergency number (this is the case in the UK).

Not a massive problem given the fourth wall and what its going for: they aren't meant to get away and there will be no justice hooray.

Don't they travel across the border? Or it is pretty remote so calling a 100 (?) number wld mean a police station far from the place? Me I am far too in love w the film (original), so I find reasons to explain this. Lol

Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 30 May 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)

I think they were at a remote resort but you'd think there be some police around.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 30 May 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

The actors in the German language version are dropping like flies.

http://derstandard.at/1277336652575/Schauspieler-Frank-Giering-38-jaehrig-gestorben

Three Word Username, Thursday, 24 June 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)

Found a story in English:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4398ded06f46a32c32f397b896a91f6f

Three Word Username, Thursday, 24 June 2010 20:26 (fifteen years ago)


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