oops swastika

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-me-swastika26sep26,1,2518373,print.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

GoogleMaps ruins spurious architecture.

Navy officials say the shape of the buildings, designed by local architect John Mock,

What an apt name!

I think you mean 'oops swastika lol'

Cheap solution: only 2 extra wings needed. (oops SS lol)

http://i22.tinypic.com/2mq4y1s.jpg

Maybe they can spell out "OOPS!" in landscaping

(I lived in Coronado for most of my life growing up.)

Wait wait wait: how is this not noticed until after groundbreaking? Wouldn't a full-building blueprint be pretty up-front about the issue?

It was the 1960s, and they were all on drugs then.

They should just remove two of the wings.

They could build a big red circle with a slash through it and prop it over the building with poles.

Wait wait wait: how is this not noticed until after groundbreaking? Wouldn't a full-building blueprint be pretty up-front about the issue?

-- nabisco, Monday, October 1, 2007 9:40 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

google earth.

commercial planes dont fly over it.

You know what a "blueprint" is?

yes i do, but i'm saying that when the buidlings were built there was no concern for people seeing them from that angle.

No, a what? Blueprint? Sorry, never heard of.

one version of the story i read claimed that the similarity was noticed in the building and planning stages way back when, but nobody thought anyone would see it, and nobody thought any real connection would be made.

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its still an oversight, but you can see why it wasnt a concern. also, maybe they didnt look as swasktika-like when the trees in the middle were younger.

The four-seat desks in our public library look like swastikas from above, and they are about 4.5" tall so all can see this. And I don't think it's ever been a ZOMG.

b-b-but it's not a nazi swastika!

No one ever goes for that argument ever.

Umm gr8080, the article specifically says:

Navy officials say the shape of the buildings, designed by local architect John Mock, was not noted until after the groundbreaking in 1967

Which seems preposterous: surely someone, at some level, at some point, had to have looked over a top-down, full-building blueprint WAY before any groundbreaking happened! It's one thing to decide it's not important, but the idea that nobody noticed or mentioned it seems really hard to believe.

xpost - Umm how is it not a Nazi swastika?

Nazi swastika is in a 45 degree angle.

OMG DUDES THAT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT ANGLE YOU'RE FLYING OVER THE BUILDING, DOESN'T IT

3:32 - 4:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCfpHsI-WM

But you could look at it from a 45 degree angle were you up in the sky.

haha xp

well the lines are in the same direction as the nazi one, but it doesn't appear tilted from any angle in the air, does it?

xp to nabisco

???????

what is wrong with you people

i'm not sure.

"It's not really a swastika unless they make a big concrete circle around it and plant a dense field of roses and tomatoes in a surrounding rectangle"

it's definitely a swastika, nabisco.

Which seems preposterous: surely someone, at some level, at some point, had to have looked over a top-down, full-building blueprint WAY before any groundbreaking happened! It's one thing to decide it's not important, but the idea that nobody noticed or mentioned it seems really hard to believe.

considering the ppl seeing the plans at that stage would have been men who likely fought actual nazis and not bloggers, talk radio hosts, junior congresspeople and ADL dudes, maybe this is really a temptest in a teapot?

if we can't use the swastika in architecture, the nazis have won.

You know swastika has a long pre-Nazi history, right? Though I guess it's quite likely the architect didn't really mean to invoke that history to criticize the Nazis for ruining the symbol.

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"It's not really a swastika unless they make a big concrete circle around it and plant a dense field of roses and tomatoes in a surrounding rectangle"

They should do this!

And no yellow roses!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Yes, gff, I suppose they were just so used to looking at swastikas that they didn't even notice them anymore. I was watching that Ken Burns WWII documentary, and most of those guys were like "I think we were in France or something? Fighting Indians? I forget."

There's no tempest either way -- people were like "dudes, that's a swastika" and they were like "yeah, we'll take care of it." This doesn't make it seem any less weird that nobody noticed or thought better of it at the time!

Though obviously anyone in the Western world using the swastika after WWII is on a dodgy ground.

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swatikookies!

Tuomas we are all aware of the ongoing march of ancient symbols. Burning crosses have a long history, too, but if I ever see one on my lawn, my first thought isn't going to be that Sir Walter Scott must be camping out with some ancient Scottish dudes

Liar.

Wikipedia would have us believe that the fact that a swastika was painted inside the nosecone of The Spirit of St Louis is a vote for the symbol's innocence.

xp Hey, step off the Scots.

I remember reading about a small Indian communist party which, not knowing or caring about WWII history, had a swastika in their flag. I guess in some non-Western countries the symbol still carries its traditional meanings, globalism hasn't reached far enough to make it questionable everywhere in the world.

Tuomas we are all aware of the ongoing march of ancient symbols. Burning crosses have a long history, too, but if I ever see one on my lawn, my first thought isn't going to be that Sir Walter Scott must be camping out with some ancient Scottish dudes.

Hence my post about being on dodgy ground.

They should make the building look like these: http://www.yoni.com/loverf/vulvaintro.shtml

well the lines are in the same direction as the nazi one, but it doesn't appear tilted from any angle in the air, does it?

-- Frogman Henry, Monday, October 1, 2007 10:00 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.citynoise.org/upload/7609.jpg

wow that really obviously looks like a swastika.

that wiki article does show how right-facing swastikas were used before the nazis, but it's with nazism that they're now associated, so, fair enough i suppose.

If those buildings didn't exist Mel Brooks would have to invent them.

yeah that's pretty clear, thanks gff, i appreciate that. i couldn't imagine it very well. my bad.

no prob

Someone superimpose that building on the picture of the little girl with the "noose" around her neck.

Frogman, let me know if you need some assistance here, too:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/skinhead.jpg

i do actually.

xp That's just unfortunate.

"Um, actually I would not like fries with that. In fact, you can just cancel my order, thanks."

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uh guys we are missing the real point of this thread

You know what a "blueprint" is?

-- Tuomas, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:48

What are Stan and I chopped liver?
Man discovers ancient roman ruins with google earth

There should be a comma there somewhere.

http://rexcurry.net/swastika-boy-scouts-shoes1910excelsior2.jpg

you know, i dont really see how it would have been that difficult to tell that the building was a swastika from the ground

swastikas are all over the place in buddhist iconography

Yeah but still, like nabisco said, it has pretty much just one connotation. One scary lawnburning of cross, one upside-down crucified Peter, one massive genocide: they kind of kill any positive connotations or meanings the symbol once had.

But isn't this an opportunity to reclaim it?

yeah i dunno its a biiig world - in asia people probably consider the religious association before thinking of nazis and you see swastikas a lot. in the west you rarely see them displayed in buddist or hindu context. so obv even people who have more claim to it are sensitive to the connotations. although i have seen them plenty in more private situations where people won't misconstrue.

Yes but this is in the U.S., in California,

yeah i was speaking more generally. i do think being upset by the shape of this building is absurd.

Plus while the U.S. govt. does not want to appear Nazi-friendly, I doubt they want to project associations w/Buddhism either (if only for church/state controversy, esp. it being a non-xtian religion OR we'd be hearing about this on Fox News non-stop).

I think being upset by its shape is silly, too, unless it's really killing Coronado citizens' flying dreams.

i remember one time when i worked at a k-mart as a cashier an asian woman came up to my isle with her purchases and she had a swatstika necklace and for a few seconds i was like "WTF?" and then i remembered that it was a common buddhist/hindu symbol.

its not just buddhists tho - swastikas are popular the world over!

as are like triangles and other simple shapes

I see 'em a lot round my part of the west (Leicester, UK). I remember seeing it the first time on a house down my street and thinking the National Front (as it was back then) had vandalised the house. But this was back in 1979 and now I think a lot (most?) of people (other than hindus/buddists) around here know it has another meaning.

And then of course there's this...
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:nGnBf1_1FmgXiM:http://www.humorgazette.com/images/prince-nazi.jpg

yeah i dunno its a biiig world - in asia people probably consider the religious association before thinking of nazis and you see swastikas a lot.

http://cache.gridskipper.com/assets/resources/2006/08/hitlerresto.jpg

Welcome to Mumbai's Nazi-themed eatery Hitler's Cross.

yeah abv theyre not really having the same uh apprecation for the situation as us. of course here we have shit like this http://www.kgbbar.com

Eh...is it really fair to compare the fetishizing of Communist iconography to Nazi iconography?

Communism, as bad and brutal as it turned out to be, was not predicated on the elimination of an entire race of people.

I tend to agree, but I think the KGB is a special case.

I see 'em a lot round my part of the west (Leicester, UK). I remember seeing it the first time on a house down my street and thinking the National Front (as it was back then) had vandalised the house.

haha, i live in leicester too. my brother came to visit once, and looked a bit freaked out when he arrived. "you've got a BNP building up the road! what sort of town is this!?!" he said. it took me a couple of minutes to realise he meant the swastika adorned hindu temple a few hundred yards down the road.

well the ussr wasnt genocidal but it was massively murderous and oppressive. so while they're not perfectly analogous there's definitely some similarities. im sure you could find tons of former-soviet residents who dont think the kgb bar is too cute.

or as i said last time i was there: this shit is abt two steps removed from having a nazi themed bar

there's a typical chicago brownstone on Kimball just north of Fullerton that has three or four decorative swastikas just above its 2nd story windows.

We are not promoting Hitler. But we want to tell people we are different in the way he was different."

Worst Apple campaign ever.

Hello peace-loving Hong-Kong budda:

http://i22.tinypic.com/ad29gp.png

Wikipedia would have us believe that the fact that a swastika was painted inside the nosecone of The Spirit of St Louis is a vote for the symbol's innocence.

xp Hey, step off the Scots.

-- Laurel, Monday, October 1, 2007 8:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

uh, yeah, um, charles lindbergh flew that plane...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/10425cs.jpg

hey guys, according to ancient legends the swastika didnt originate with the nazis, but rather with the buddits in the olden days. so its no so much a symbol of hate as it is of peace . ok just thought id let u know some food 4 thought 4 u 2 chew on

buddits? are they like luddites or something?

yes and this buildings is more like a big peace sign on account of the budists invented it first back in the day,,

so any h8rs should step off and take a chill pill

and study there history

http://i21.tinypic.com/nv5c0w.jpg

I think there should be a term, oopstika, coined for this.

Oopstika.