TS: Warner Bros. vs. Hanna-Barbera

WB no contest

55/45

HB? Jesus, why not bring in Ruby Spears?

The only comp Termite Terrace ever really had were the earliest Fleischers.

WB by a million miles

HB kind of ruined cartoons

I recently saw a Tom & Jerry where the voice of Tom's owner had clearly been redubbed to make it less racist

Tom & Jerry Kids is war-crime level shit.

yah RLY - HB is inferior in almost every respect: animation, characterization, voice talent, music, writing. Can we blame the product-placement-as-programming cartoon aesthetic on them...? ("It's the The Mattel and Mars Bar Quick Energy Chocobot Hour!") Certainly they were the worst/biggest progenitors of it.

youre forgetting DiC

shittiest cartoons of all time

flintstones is classic btw

* Action Man (1995-1996) (not to be confused with the series produced by Mainframe Entertainment)
* Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (1993)
* Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 (1990-1991)
* The Adventures of Teddy Ruxpin (1987)
* ALF: The Animated Series (1987-1989)
* ALF Tales (1988-1990)
* Alienators: Evolution Continues (2001-2002)
* Archie's Weird Mysteries (1999-2000)
* Battletoads (1 special)
* Beany and Cecil (1988)
* Beverly Hills Teens (1987)
* Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures (second season) (1992)
* Bump in the Night (1994-1995)
* C.O.P.S. (1988-1989)
* Camp Candy (1989-1990)
* Captain N: The Game Master (1989-1992)
* Captain Planet And The Planeteers (1990-1993; later episodes were produced by Hanna-Barbera)
* The Care Bears (1985; later episodes were produced by Nelvana)
* The Chipmunks (1988-1991; previous episodes were produced by Ruby-Spears)
* Defenders of Dynatron City (1 special)
* Dennis the Menace (1986-1989)
* Dinosaucers (1987-1988)
* Extreme Dinosaurs (1997)
* Gadget Boy and Heather
* Gadget Boy's Adventures in History
* The Get Along Gang (1984)
* G.I. Joe (1990-1992; previous episodes were produced by Sunbow and Marvel)
* Hammerman (1991-1992)
* Heathcliff and The Catillac Cats (1984-1987)
* Hello Kitty's Furry Tale Theater (1987)
* Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling (1985)
* Inspector Gadget (1983-1986)
* Inspector Gadget's Field Trip
* It's Punky Brewster (1985-1988)
* Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors (1985)
* The Karate Kid (1989)
* Kidd Video (1984)
* Kideo TV (1984)
* Kissyfur (1986)
* Knights of the Zodiac (2003-2005)
* Lady Lovely Locks (1987)
* Legend of the Hawaiian Slammers (1 special)
* The Legend Of Sarmoti: Siegfried & Roy (1996)
* The Legend of Zelda (as part of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show) (1989-1990)
* Liberty's Kids (2002)
* Little Clowns of Happytown (1986)
* The Littles (1983-1986)
* M.A.S.K. (1985-1986)
* Madeline (1993-1994)
* The New Adventures of Madeline (1995-1996)
* Mary-Kate and Ashley in Action (1996)
* Maxie's World (1987)
* Mummies Alive! (1997)
* The Mysterious Cities of Gold (1982)
* The New Adventures of He-Man (1990)
* The New Archies (1987-1988)
* New Kids on the Block (1990-91)
* The Pink Panther Show (1985)
* Pocket Dragon Adventures (1998)
* Pole Position (1984)
* Popples (1986-1988)
* Power Team (as part of Video Power)
* ProStars (1991-1992)
* Rainbow Brite (1985-1986)
* The Real Ghostbusters (1986-1992)
* Ring Raiders (1989)
* Sabrina, The Animated Series
* Sabrina's Secret Life (2003-2004)
* Sailor Moon (first 82 episodes; later episodes were dubbed by Cloverway) (1995-1998)
* Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century (1999-2001)
* Sonic the Hedgehog (1993-1995)
* Sonic Underground (1999-2000)
* Starcom: The U.S. Space Force (1987)
* Stargate: Infinity
* Strawberry Shortcake (2003-present)
* Street Sharks
* Sunday Movie Toons
* Super Duper Sumos
* The Super Mario Brothers Super Show (1989-1990)
* Super Mario World (1991-1992)
* Swamp Thing (animated) (1990)
* Sylvanian Families (1987-1988)
* Trollz (2005)
* Ulysses 31 (1981)
* The Wacky World Of Tex Avery (1997)
* Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego? (1994-1995)
* Where's Waldo? (1991-1992)
* Wish Kid (1991-1992)
* Wolf Rock TV (1984)

funny that they had to be The Real Ghostbusters because there was that other fake ghostbusters cartoon that nobody watched

ugh yeah okay DiC takes the cake

Fucking Hanna-Barbera, I HATE THEM. Okay plz to use more than 2 cels per second. This shows their laziness: they fucking chose Space Ghost's color scheme by drawing colors out of a hat.

but... Space Ghost is awesome

(and I mean the OG Space Ghost not that stupid Coast to Coast bullshit)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Spaceghost.jpg
dear abbott

space ghost design is classic material by alex toth, the 3rd greatest comics artist of all time

yours,
and what

THIS CALLS FOR HYPERSPEED

I know, I'll rep for the SG, but look how little thought that is! "Aw whatevs darts in the dark dude. I'm gonna have to draw the cel for his open mouth and we'll be good to go."

thought is overrated

Okay maybe I'm recanting, I didn't even like Space Ghost.

this is like Cary Grant vs Ben Stiller

Pronoun trouble. A seven minute demonstration of WB's greatness.

whoah I didn't even know Toth died last year (at his drawing table no less!)

this is like Cary Grant vs Ben Stiller

-- Dr Morbius, Friday, October 5, 2007 3:12 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

did someone finally remove the r, o, g, e & n keys from your keyboard

it was you, amirite?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OyxPxpSvXQ8

My fave period of WB toons is probably the early 40s: The comedy retains some of the absurd plasticity of the previous decade, when WB were expanding upon Disney's recipes, yet it hadn't degenerated into the "personality"-driven, formulaic crap of the 60s and later. As far as I'm concerned, the death of WB was the arrival of (the) Road Runner, though some of the Foghorn Leghorn toons of that period are pretty great.

Compare, for instance, Lady, Play Your Mandolin! (1931) to Fresh Hare (1942) to Southern Fried Rabbit (1953) to Transylvania 6-5000 (1963).

I loved early Tom and Jerry, some Scooby Doo, and Wacky Races but otherwise, HB is awful. WB was so much better.

But, HB did lead to all the pretty much classic late 90s Cartoon Network cartoons: Dexter's Lab, Powerpuff Girls, Johnny Bravo etc.

PPG is pretty good, I guess, but the 90s at Warner Brothers (and on into the 2000s) was the time of Batman: The Animated Series and its progeny - Superman, Justice League, and JLU. Also Batman Beyond and Zeta Project, but they can't all be gems.

Toth balances the scales more than you guys realize. (Except for Ethan obv.) But overall, WB.

Seems like there were episodes of Tom & Jerry where the art was this great beatnik-y/Saul Bass-ripoff 2D stuff. But other than that WB by a zillion billion miles.

No he doesn't. Good character design is important, but Toth's talents in comics were much more than that. Unfortunately character design is the only one that translates. Aside from his contributions the 60s HB adventure garbage consists of shitty animation, lame-ass voice acting, one-dimensional characterization, and writing that barely qualifies as such.

xpost to Rock Hardy

Also, Shakey Mo has his mind clouded by...jesus, I can't even begin to guess what might cause someone to prefer 60s space ghost to the CTC run.

I defended Scooby-Doo until I realized that the only reason I liked it was because of the theme song (the version with the extra-scary notes at the beginning, thank you!). I still have a soft spot for Hong Kong Phooey, tho. PPG has its moments of greatness, but for my tastes, the cartoon has too many boring superhero battles and not enough whimsy based on the notion of super-powered girls in ordinary situations.

i'm actually kinda fond of early early hanna-barbera - i get that bubbly little "end of episode" themesong in my head every now and then, and it had nice design, nice backgrounds, and hilarious voicework. early (black and white!) flintstones was espec great, and a lot closer to the edginess of "the honeymooners" than it was to the later softened-up kid-friendly flintstones. john k (the ren & stimpy guy) is a fanatic about the stuff. unfortunately the stuff that everyone remembers, scooby doo and the later awful incarnations of yogi bear et al, was thoroughly awful shit.

warner bros. still wins obv. those cartoons rank with mark twain and ambrose bierce and the marx brothers as the best american comedy ever.

best "classic" HB cartoon = mr jinks! how can you not like a cat who talks just like a 1959 hipster parody of marlon brando?

and what OTM re: the awfulness of dic. 80s cartoons were horrible, end of story.

walter karp wrote an amazing essay (unfortunately never reprinted) about how 80s cartoons, by fetishizing the idea of the mindless lookalike "group" (the smurfs, the snorks, the scooby gang, those weird little bear things that lived in trees, choose your own example), portraying all villains as harmless bumblers, and only ever portraying independent individuals as "slightly comical cowards whom the group inevitably has to rescue," were pretty much the worst possible things you could show to kids.

omg i love mr jinx as much as jon arbuckle

Another reason HB sucks: cartoons with LAUGH TRACKS.

Another sign of WB decline in the 50s/60s: Daffy as Bugs's foil is awful, but Porky Pig as Daffy's foil is absolutely brilliant. Come to think of it, I don't believe I've seen a bad Porky cartoon.

'yankee doodle daffy', the one with daffy as crazed hollywood talent agent and porky as beleagured hollywood exec with one foot out the door to the golf course, is my absolute favourite.

I love Daffy's super-manic laughter in those early shows.

"daffy as bugs's foil is awful" => yeah usually, but surely not in the great chuck jones "rabbit season! duck season!" ones?

"awful" is entirely too extreme

am i the only one who likes laugh tracks?

Maybe it's not universally awful when Daffy is Bugs's foil, but there surely are plenty of examples of this. More than denigrate the bad, tho, I wanted to emphasize how great Daffy was as a clever rapscallion -- instead of a clumsy clown who repeatedly loses his bill when shot in the head by Elmer -- especially when paired with Porky.

wait surmounter explain to me the appeal of laugh tracks

I feel a "Best Warner Bros. Cartoon Character" poll comin on

laugh tracks are kind of surreal and hilarious when they come in cartoons which are pretty obv not being "filmed in front of an audience." normally they're horrific.

I hate all laugh tracks. Why did they put them over PYTHON for x's sake?

jd otm. wait til your father gets home has the king of all perfunctory, wallpaper-flat laugh tracks that lets you get a pleasant stupor going(certainly preferable to paying attention to the cartoon).

Best backhanded compliment ever.

http://www.ew.com/2016/01/28/dc-entertainment-hanna-barbera-titles

I have no skin in this game as I have pretty much zero affection for anything H-B, but these people are fucking idiots.

Every single time this happens, it's the dumbest shit ever that everyone hates and then makes fun of for years afterwards. Why does no one ever learn?

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Scooby-Apocalypse-Inked.jpg
http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Flintstones-promo.jpg
http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Wacky-Raceland-promo.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2xyU9GA44

Well, since nobody bit at the most recent round of HB ridiculousness, maybe you'll have something to say about the impending Hanna Barbera cinematic universe, kicking off with a movie entitled S.C.O.O.B..

It's really pretty impressive to see a company coast on creative bankruptcy for over half a century.

Pixar only got 40 more years to go

Scooby Doo's been rebooted I don't know how many times though. That's basically what it's for. A Pup Named Scooby Doo is actually not bad. And there's a semi-gritty take on Netflix. One of my kids came back from the library last week with a Scooby Doo/Superman/Harly Quinn/Secret Squirrel crossover graphic novel. Even she thought it was ridiculous. So Ok yeah...creative bankruptcy.

Dying at metrosexual lumberjack Shaggy w/ ear gauges upthread.

That Betty is smoking hot.

i remember going to an amusement park in the early 90s and seeing a scooby doo... with sunglasses and a clock around his neck, going by the name "scoob doggy dogg", who mimed to a prerecorded rap song about his capers.

I don't know why I misread 'capers' as 'diapers' just now but the laugh I had just about killed me.

http://www.kuailekaishi.com/fd_upimg/product/small/2011-12/2011122814152626409.jpg

When Scooby-Doo and Shaggy get a gig as DJs in a local dance club, the gang is super-psyched. 'Scoob-Doggy-Dogg and Baggy" are a hit! But as Scooby spins the tunes, a three-headed figure appears and puts a spellbinding trance on the crowd. Now it's up to Scooby and the gang to track this hypnotic villain before it strikes again!

Clearly someone needs to comb through the detritus of popular culture and write retroactive Scooby-Doo stories that deal with any of the fads he missed. Scooby-Doo and the Phantom of the Pogs.

It's possible that I actively hate Scooby-Doo.

I think it's sad that Scrappy-Doo is not in any of these 21c Scooby-Doo reboots, he was my favourite part of the show when I was a child, the idea that everyone always hated Scrappy-Doo is revisionist history imo

Clearly someone needs to comb through the detritus of popular culture and write retroactive Scooby-Doo stories that deal with any of the fads he missed.

This Velvet Underground homage suggests this is well underway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgZVRtG19Y

disco era Hanna-Barbera is the peak imo, Galaxy Goof-Ups, also this:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/scoobydoo/images/6/65/The_Neon_Phantom_of_the_Roller_Disco.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/270?cb=20150505173204

Maybe I was just too old for Scrappy Doo (I was 11 in 1979 when he debuted) but I hated him then and I hate him now.

I know this is a stupid point, but Scooby "sounded" like a dog to me, with his "ruh roh" and "RELP!" Scrappy was too wordy, he always sounded too much like Elroy Jetson to me (even though Elroy was voiced by Daws Butler, Scrappy by Don Messick.)

Scrappy undermined the hauntological aspects of Scooby Doo

idk, that didn't bother me so much when I was 5

I have no dog (literally) in the Scrappy conversation, but for me, Ward Fowler's coinage of "hauntological" is pretty much an Internet-winning coup. Major kudos.

technically jacques derrida won the internet

They didn't even miss the Scrappy-doo backlash. There's a movie (or a special long episode, I forgot) where they literally dump him out of the mystery machine because he's annoying even to the gang. Later he becomes the secret bad-guy.

Also, there are Scooby Doo pogs.

First Scooby Doo movie iirc

I think it's sad that Scrappy-Doo is not in any of these 21c Scooby-Doo reboots, he was my favourite part of the show when I was a child, the idea that everyone always hated Scrappy-Doo is revisionist history imo

― soref, Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:37 PM (6 hours ago)

scrappy was always my fav too, ppl who hate on him are so tedious

He was part of that post-Star Wars R2-D2 trend where everything needed a stupid little wisecrackin' sidekick for comic relief

This is his only appearance, in the recent gritty reboot series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ubNqkhfVU