So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

This is indeed a very, very weird story. Is it UK Tabloids only at this point, or are the U.S. rags following it as well?

I picked up on it in the NYT yesterday. Very weird indeed.

So we're allowed to admit that lust-crazed murder suspect Amanda Knox* is hot then?

*Copyright every sensationalist tabloid ever.

Best murderer since that Goth army cadet that killed Jodi Jones

this 20/20 is on right now and it is fabulous

Guede had been arrested in Wiesbaden, Germany in an Interpol operation that traced Guede when he logged into his Facebook account.

amanda is no way the booze sex vamp pothead but c'mon she was so involved in this

Radar Magazine article about how Knox is getting railroaded by the insane Italian prosecution (Who the fuck knows, obviously, but it's an interesting read):

How an American Coed was Framed for Murder

i was wondering what was going on w/ this

That article is ridiculous, it does a fairly good job of debunking a few of the myths and arguing that Knox is being misrepresented by short stories, pictures off the internet, etc, and then undermines it with A disturbing YouTube video surfaced of Guede, apparently out of his head on some illicit substance, repeating the words, "Oh my God. I'm an extraterra." As his eyes roll back in his head the rant continues: "Oh mama, I'm a vampire, I'm Dracula. I'm gonna suck your blood."

Essentially everyone should just stop all activity on the internet in case they get arrested on suspicion of a high-profile murder.

Wiley should be OK

why doesnt the radar website work

radar article is pretty convincing

It is. Original k-k-kraaazy sex kitten story seemed too "good" to be true

found guilty!

she got 26 years he got 25.

i saw it on tv but USA today is on it i guess
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-12-04-italy-knox-trial-friday_N.htm

this all seems a terribly managed case...she may be guilty but god knows the entire process doesn't seem to have revealed anything that's any clearer than mud

From one of my Twitter contacts:

http://twitpic.com/s5xsu - An unintentional insight into journalists' advance preparation of news by @TelegraphNews

I hate this kind of shit. On BBC they have their character summary up and it ends: "And with a 26-year-sentence ahead of her, Amanda Knox will have ample time to reflect on what led her to commit murder on that fateful night."

Like just cos she's found guilty they now report her guilt as fact, after months of actually investigating facts and discussion. It just feels so anti-journalism and pro-state.

Yeah, that's ridiculous. I feel like someone is going to write a really great book about this case at some point.

Like just cos she's found guilty they now report her guilt as fact

um that is how the law works hate to break it to ya

It's disingenuous though-- as if there hasn't been one shitstorm after another with this case? It has been one giant shitstorm.

Yeah that is how the law works but the papers shouldn't work like that. I had to write one of those summaries and it feels skeezy as fuck, even in cases that seem clear cut.

doesn't matter. I agree with you that this whole case seems ridiculous on the face of it, but y'know the whole point of trials and juries is to determine guilt and determine it in a decisive enough way to support punishment (which is kinda more significant than what people are allowed to say in newspapers). she went to trial. she was found guilty. by any standard, it is permissable to refer to her as having committed the crime in question.

x-post

I feel like I hear people referred to as having committed x crime after they've been convicted of it all the time so confused as to why this is a point of contention.

Happy at this verdict. Even if she is innocent doing cartwheels in the police station while being questioned about your flatmate's murder really deserves a custodial sentence.

she seems really flighty

I don't know the first thing about her I just know that the murder scenario described by the proseuction seems patently ridiculous and highly unlikely

that's my thinking

you know, normally I'd agree with Shakey, insofar as it's not like there's a much better system than letting a conviction stand as some kind of broad consensus that someone committed a crime and you can now say that without caveat.

but really, what Ronan's quoting there is a huge leap beyond "consensus," it's like a kind of magic -- because that sentence is finding her so guilty that even in her own thoughts she's guilty and reflecting upon that guilt (despite her presumably ongoing claim of innocence).

plus it's not always as cut and dried as conviction -- as in cases where the conviction is weak or strongly contested and the consensus once again shifts back to everything being alleged (e.g., Willingham)/

either way, most places are responsible enough not to leap quite so hard on the magic of a conviction, except insofar as it allows you to say "so and so was convicted of doing X, Y, and Z."

The BBC articles I've just been reading are appallingly written - full of emotive language and non sequiturs. (they're attributed ones, so I take it not yours lg)

^^^^This; am thinking it will go to appeal and in that situ the 'go to your room and think about what you did' angle is way inappropriate. Don't think justice has been served here. Also, Knox could have been going manic in custody.

LOL last three xposts a Fed worth of OTM.

The BBC front page still has 'murder shrouded in mystery' as one of the sub-headlines, so I don't think they're jumping so hard. Also, it's always been the case that crimes are 'alleged' or so on, until there is a conviction, at which point media moves to assertion.

I like that Guardian article about the cultural differences. But maybe I'm prejudiced against the 'Old World Thinking'.

what with their negative football

i think what's going on here is that people don't trust the italian justice system -- better just to be out with it tbh guys.

(im unsure if it's "pro-state" to report that someone who has been convicted of murder is a murderer. iirc italy has an independent judiciary? nominally, anyway.)

as a 1/16th Italian person I am frankly shocked and appalled at the aspersions being cast on Italy's sterling legal system.

I know very little about all the details of the whole thing, but I personally solve some of this whole epistemological mire by just being biased and suspicious of anyone who's like "someone killed my roommate? you know what, it was probably one or the other of these African guys"

ok actually I take that back, my knowledge of the whole thing is too cursory to even make that joke

Few of the eight jurors looked at her. Six of the jurors were wearing red, white and green sashes -- the colors of Italy's flag.

O_o

^wow

i know this is getting attention because of the fact that she's a decent looking caucasian American girl, but she did no herself no favors by changing her story/alibi/whereabouts a half dozen times.

tru dat

I'm not surprised by this verdict but I don't think this woman would have gotten a guilty sentence in the US. Maybe that says something about US courts, maybe not; there just doesn't seem to be very much actual evidence.

"He claimed to be listening to music on his iPod while using the facilities and thus did not hear the killer enter the house."

^sry this only happens in movies

the radar article about the case from a while ago is fairly convincing in its attempt at exonerating knox. either way the whole thing seems mismanaged on all sides

I'm not surprised by this verdict but I don't think this woman would have gotten a guilty sentence in the US.

Uhhhh . . . maybe the Pretty White Girl factor would work in her favor, but lots of people in the US have been sent to prison forever on a lot flimsier evidence.

interesting 2 hear the journalist on anderson cooper talk abt the prosecutor under indictment and how he had previously threatened to and accused teh reporter of accessory to murder, being a satanist, etc

substance of TWU's posts otm

Am I seeing things?

http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/albums/20190/homepage_large.49b6343b.jpg

No, you're right

http://www.arenbergschouwburg.be/content/dam/arenberg/Agenda/Seizoen%2013%20-%2014/Nina-Persson.jpg

this is good (UK only i'm afraid)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03wd39x

what's it doing on BBC3 then?

It's a programme for kidz obv.

court says the murder was likely not result of sex game gone wrong, but of an attempt to bully and humiliate meredith kercher, possibly after knox had stolen her rent money

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/29/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox/

"There is nothing against me and nothing very strong against Amanda," Sollecito recently told CNN. "And in my case, I really did nothing wrong, and I don't want to pay for someone else's peculiar behavior."

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/26/world/europe/italy-knox-ex-boyfriend/?hpt=bosread

new vid from that night:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/may/06/amanda-knox-alibi-new-cctv-footage-video

The figure in the CCTV video has a very herky jerky walk, while the video of Amanda shows that she has a smooth, purposeful strut.

Andrea Vogt
‏@andreavogt
Both raffaelle Sollecito and #amandaknox convictions have been fully overturned. Cries of joy in courtroom from sollecito's family
Rome, Lazio

Dude

I had fully signed up to Knox and Sollecito being lying-ass liars about this somehow

Well, they are definitely lying-ass liars, which is what has made this whole thing troubling for me, because that doesn't necessarily make them guilty of murder.

apparently everyone was stunned by the verdict - defense, prosecution, everybody

Yeah i did a 180 on this. I always used to see them as the victims of a botched investigation but there's always been something really off about these two

Bit of evidence linking them to the crime for which someone is already doing time would be nice.

Thankfully not the person she falsely accused for no reason.

She looks like Billy Corgan. Therefore, probably a wrong'un.

they're a bit odd but from what I read of any of this over time there was hardlly any evidence connection them to it. I admit it seems like people outside of the US seem to have a completley different take on this for some reason.

They've spent an enormous amount of money managing the media in the US, which goes some way towards explaining the divide.

No point beating a dead horse at this point, but Salon sums it up nicely:

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/27/amanda_knox_verdict_the_real_evidence_and_why_almost_everything_you_think_you_know_about_the_case_is_wrong/

Are we gonna have a Serial/Jinx treatment of this in years to come?

It may be the intervention of the PR firm coupled with media echo effects and confirmation bias, but I'd love to read a serious investigative piece about this case's public "life". It's one of those cases where there's so much strawmanning, xenophobia, contrary positions with seemingly entirely different sets of basic facts that it makes me feel like every comment section is street-teamed. I guess "welcome to the Internet, me" but there's so much deliberate lying, innocent misinformation and general ugliness involved with this case that it's hard for me to process.

sorry that's so badly written, but hopefully it's a little bit intelligible.

Don't forget Sarcasm, there's a lot of it about and it ends up being accumulated into the 'stated' facts of the case.

Yes - I think sarcasm and detachment probably explain a lot.

That salon article reads like the author stumbled across one of the highly partisan anti-knox blogs (I know there are just as bad pro-knox ones) and then ran wide eyed to the typewriter.

Knox’s DNA was found on the handle of the murder weapon – a knife belonging to Sollecito – and Kercher’s was found on the blade. Whether it’s really Kercher’s DNA is hotly contested by Knox supporters, but contamination was ruled out at the latest appeal. The probability that the DNA on the blade did not come from Kercher was found to be one in 300 million billion.

One in three hundred million billion bajillion! That's incontrovertibly high! That appeal she refers to where contamination was ruled out was the previous appeal, the one that was just overturned.

And reading the comments it seems there were two knives, and the one with Knox/Sollecito DNA couldn't have been the murder weapon because it was too big (I admit I haven't been following close enough to know definitively whether that's the knife they're talking about).

Wow I don't remember dissecting the evidence quite as closely as I did back in 2011, still, nothing has materially changed since then. In other words I'd just like to point out that I was otm in this thread.

ledge you said she was held for 14 hours. she wasn't. you said the DNA evidence on the knife was discredited. it wasn't.

guys

I'M IN HTE ZONE DAMMIT

you said the DNA evidence on the knife was discredited. it wasn't.

What's your source for this? I don't think it's correct, although we can't be sure until the final courts full judgment is released.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3081807/What-s-head-Foxy-Knoxy-Watch-Amanda-Knox-sing-away-woes-karaoke-rendition-Cranberries-song-Zombie-NYC-visit.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r8LG_lCbac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NueLjUNB-GM

ok now i think she did it

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/amanda-knoxs-boyfriend-is-here-to-party-rock-1786455477

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qs8fmX3S--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/v0rghjaw95nufmitoj56.jpg

it me

we can't be sure until the final courts full judgment is released.

Did this happen, does anyone care anymore?

oh there are a few websites that will care about this for the next 30 years. i haven't checked them in awhile tho.

i just checked one. latest post - this tuesday. hundreds of words.

http://truejustice.org/ee/

ghouls

fucking hell someone has a lot of time on their hands

Just learned that she hosts a podcast (for Sundance): The Truth About True Crime. I'm gonna check it out.

did we ever get this sorted?

documentarians are divided

guede is out of prison. if you listen you can hear the sound of checkbooks opening all over europe. i don’t think he has anything to lose by talking - he’s already been convicted and served his time. sorry if it’s ghoulish, this is my one true crime guilty pleasure.

i’ve probably read this transcript a million times. guede’s story is super sketch, sounds kinda fake, but at the same time there are so many weird details. the clothes in the washing machine. the broken window (which i know from other sources had shattered OUTWARDS rather than inwards)

https://famous-trials.com/amanda-knox/2635-guede-s-taped-skype-conversation