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An account of a week at a Thai colonick irrigation health farm from yesterday's "guardian" amused me somewhat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4369605,00.html

quote: "As if to celebrate crossing the halfway point of the week, many of us switched enema solutions. Abandoning coffee and vinegar, I flamboyantly opted for garlic, claimed to get rid of parasites. It seemed as natural as ordering gin and tonic instead of margarita, but when I casually told my girlfriend in a telephone call to London, there was a long silence. "Are you aware how tenuous your grip is on reality?" she asked. "Are you with a cult?"

funny, but perhaps rather too desckriptive in some places. Be thankful you don't get the picktures

NoRMaN PHaY, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eep i have a friend who is addicted to coloniXoR: she has very much lost touch with the meaning of and reasons for the phrase "too much information"

mark s, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I could become addicted to colonic irrigation. So I'm not trying it. I have enough addictions.

N., Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Katie showed my the pictures while I was eating my breakfast. Lovely.

RickyT, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh COME ON rickyT it is not as if you have never regaled us with stories about the contents of your bowels! AD NAUSEUM quite literally hur hur. i thought it was a brill article and i want to have a go at it!! only, i am scared. and quite rightly too by the look of it!

katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, but I've never taken a photo of my shit and waved it in front of your face while you're eating, have I?

RickyT, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

those pictures were horrible indeed. Needless to say I will not be visiting that place while over there.

chris, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

IF I RECALL CORRECTLY i was making "urgh" and "cor!" noises and WARNED you and you still requested to see the photo. i can't help it if it was gross can i?

katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

KAtie: since most of what came out of those peoples' colons was the congealed detritus of a lifetime's steak consumption (the argument is that it's mainly processed food and meat that stuff up yr digestive tract, isn't it?) (except that bloke's 25 year old marble; bet he was pleased to have that back), would a vegan need it? I was left thinking both 'hmm, sounds like a reasonable idea' *and* 'at what point did we become so scared of there being *anything* in our bodies that we put there ourselves?' (not all of us, natch).

Ellie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The fact that it looked like a plate of diarrhoea didn't help either. A shit by itself is just a shit but put a shit on a plate and it looks like someone's going to eat it sometime soon.

RickyT, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

RickyT: if there was a shit on a plate in our house i could only assume that YOU put it there as you are clearly a MENTALIST! :)

however i am about to say some ICKY THINGS so do not read on if you are feeling fragile...

Ellie: hmm but i have thought about this quite a lot. i gave up eating meat only a decade ago and i reckon there's still quite a bit in there, rotting away. ugh. and the article mentioned your colon going into super mucous-producing mode whenever you eat fatty or alocoholic things, both of which i do quite a lot. however i do eat a lot of raw fruit and veg... so i suppose that would even things out a bit. as for people being happy with what they put in themselves, well when i was 14 and still eating meat i actually *didn't* know what i was putting into myself, and i didn't know that it would stay there and rot inside me. i didn't know the conditions under which animals are raised for meat... hell until a year or so ago i didn't fully realise the extent to which poisons are added to our everyday foods (veg included) in the forms of growth hormone, fertilizers etc. now i do know... i don't want to put them in there anymore! rather like the guy who wrote the article - now he's seen all the undigested crap in his gut, he won't be so hasty about putting more back in.

katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Geoff will want to see the pictures of the butt mucous in the Thai colander. Bleaurgh.

I've been thinking about the detox thing quite seriously over the past week because I've managed to give up smoking (a five-year, between five-and-ten per day habit) which was much easier than I thought it was going to be. And although coffee enemas sound a bit Gwyneth to me, the idea of going to Thailand to fast and sluice for a week (clearly and obviously you'd go for three weeks, to eat well on either side of it), lose some weight as side-effect, get *everything* out of one's system that probably shouldn't be there, and do this one time only sounds good, especially when one considers it costs about £250 without the flight.

suzy, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Flaw in plan Suzy: if you lost weight you'd disappear.

Graham, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

flight to Bangkok = approx 315 english pounds. Can't remember where resort was but train fare would be no more than a tenner, a flight would be about 50 quid one way.

chris, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Disappear, wha? I don't think so. Have gained some recently, enough to want to lose weight for first time ever and thus bring lower half of body into correct proportion with upper half. I am very small of bone and more than 7.5 stone WRONG on me. Clothes which I have owned since age of 16 are not fitting me properly. Bad, very bad. Also want to curb the post-cigs oral fixation problem. Also have never been to Thailand despite my Thai food cooking abilities.

suzy, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Suzy it is probably because you do not smoke any more. having a slightly bigger arse is preferable to cancer-ridden lungs! well done for the giving up!

i think i should add at this point that if i did do the enema thing i probably wouldn't want to look at the results too closely. no colanders full of *ahem* butt mucous for me. and i think that putting coffee (and vinegar!!) up your arse is just a silly thing to do. one cup of nescafe makes me horribly grumpy and jittery, just imagine what 5 gallons directly into the colon would do!!

katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was under the impression that colonic irrigation was no longer the thing to have done as not only does it wash out all the bad stuff i.e. rotting meat but also all the good stuff i.e. the little bacteria Katie says hello to in the Yakult advert. And if you want to try the joys of enemas, ladies, get pregnant as you have one before giving birth as a warning of the pain and discomfort to come.

Emma, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Simple solution: a Yakult enema.

N., Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A Yak enema would be more interesting.

Emma, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OWCH a yak enema would *not* be fun. Emma are you saying that i say hello to bacteria? huh? hmmm. no i think they mentioned this in the article, you have to eat lots of vitamin and acidophilus pills to replace all the lost goodies i think.

katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not fun but interesting.

If you have to replace half the things you flush out it seems very stupid to have it done in the first place. Like people who eat vitamin pills instead of fruit & veg & a balanced diet.

Emma, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't this a basic flaw in the whole eating procedure tho emma? tho it does handily prove the non-existence of god (or rather his DIY uselessness...)

mark s, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but emma the thing is that while you are having the enemas done you are also fasting, to give your body a real chance of flushing *everything* out. they're not advocating supplements in PLACE of a balanced diet (nor for that matter am i) - just while you're fasting so that you dont get any deficiencies for the duration. cos well, frankly if i was having my colon washed out i wouldn't *want* to eat anything. bleugh etc.

katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

to give your body a real chance of flushing *everything* out.

Surely this isn't a very good plan? Some of those internal organs must be of some use. OR WE ENSLAVED BY AN ENORMOUS MEDICAL CONSPIRACY?

N., Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

curses! Dastoor you knew what it is that i meant! my meaning you were aware of! what i intended to communicate you had a firm and clear grasp on, and were fully cogniscent of what it was that i was trying to signify! C U U R R S E S...

mojo jojo katie, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mojo groco?

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cuuuuuurrrrrrrrsssssessssssss....

mojo *sigh* groco, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, no, no, Katie, I am the only person ever to gain weight on the cigs. Have resolved to chase the toxins out by going to Ironmonger Row steam and sauna baths once a week, it helps.

Trousers should fit properly v. soon but I'm still interested in this Thai fast as a one time only thing.

suzy, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
This here is some prime old-school ILX and somehow one of my favorite threads ever. I'm also beginning to suspect that the article linked at top is one of the best pieces of feature writing I've seen in recent years: it refuses to leave my mind.

But so this week I've become weirdly fascinated by the colon-cleansing thing and the weird happy-go-lucky gross-out tone of the text and the testimonials. Caught a late-night infomercial last week that had a guy cheerfully asking a "caller" if he found his children's stools were longer and larger than his, to which you'd expect a normal human being to be all like "Umm, dude, I don't look at my kids' crap, they just flush"; but no, before the question's even asked he's rhapsodizing about the fullness and heartiness of his children's stools, as opposed to his theoretically withered, unmanly product. Apparently the average adult is carrying around fifteen to twenty pounds of impacted fecal matter: "Talk about weight loss!" says the TV dude. Later a friend is showing me a colon-cleansing text ad, this one centering mostly on intestinal parasites. The testimonials are amazing: "My husband and I have been on the program for just under a month, and every day we flush out a new parasite -- some small, some up to several feet in length." It's claimed that Maria Callas was only cranky cause she had tapeworms, and as soon as those were flushed out, she became a big ball of sunshine.

So I kinda wouldn't mind magically removing whatever built-up gunk is in my digestive system. But check it out: if there were seriously yard-long parasites in my colon, I think I'd rather just not know about it than have to sit around, umm, excreting them. Reinaldo Arenas had some boyhood story about shitting a millipede that's pretty much scarred me for life in that respect.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Quackwatch on gastrointestinal quackery: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html

Snopes on impacted feces: http://www.snopes.com/toxins/fecal.htm "Anecdotes such as these are, in a word, crap."

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Don't get all fact-based on us, JLu, I want to hear more middle-aged people offering chipper "testimonials" about the fascinating things they've blown out their asses!

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

I'll bet I have something awesome in there. Like butterflies, or an unpublished novel, or David Spade.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

This thread is okay, but the original article is completely amazing. I have sent that link to more people than any other article on the world wide web.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

I had no idea about the length of time certain things remain in the body and I am genuinely very surprised.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)


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