We'll Always Have Paris

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Most romantic city on Earth or strife-laden rude hellhole. I'll find out tomorrow but what do you think?

Tom, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

paris is burning + malcolm mcclaren's paris = pretty good, as for the city, never been.

Geoff, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nuts to Europe. Go USA! Whooo!

adam, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'll find out myself in a couple of weeks about Paris. We'll compare notes.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm...just back from Paris and much appears to be a shithole on the outside. The centre, it has to be said, is beautiful, also notable for prevalence of thriftshops near les halles, I believe, which pleased me no end. and avoid standing under the eiffel tower, you get spat on.

Bill

Bill, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That was just you, Bill

mark s, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Paris ROCKS. Canalside 10th arrondisement, very trendy cafes and bars. Loved the shop Collette on rue de Rivoli, go to Ile St Louis for the quayside hot chocolate place where they give you the chocolate mix to put in whipped milk, 13th arrondisement for galleries on rue Louis Weiss, further down to Maison Blanche for big Sino-Viet-Cambodian-Thai town, also some Laotian restaurants and Oriental strip malls. Traiteur asiatique do the best spring/summer roll takeaways. Go to the Pompidou. Drink in Menilmontant. Try to catch the North African vibe of the 18th arr. east of Montmarte - good food, also the big TATI shops are all up there east of Pigalle. Rue des Martyrs for a great bar, virtually surrounded by cheesy drag shows. Two-star hotels good value. Market in Montmartre good for everything and the bakeries rule.

suzy, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I went for the first time last year, and quite enjoyed it. I didn't find it to be a particularly rude/unpleasant place, myself (out of all the places I've been to Europe, I'd have to say Munich's denizens struck me as rather unnecessarily sour, though maybe I just got unlucky in my dealings). I would definitely bag the idea of going up the Eiffel Tower, of course; not worth it. Ditto for going to the *inside* of Versailles Palace if it's a boiling day out (no air conditioning inside). The outside of Versailles, though, has a nice lake at the bottom; perfect for a picnic. The boat ride around the Seine (Bateux Mouche, I think it's called?) is nice.

Joe, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For me, going up the Eiffel is required, as my girlfriend missed the chance to do so years ago in her one other time in the city and has always wanted that experience. So there we are. ;-) My particular goal is Pere Lachaise, as I wish to pay my respects at Wilde's tomb -- may never have the chance to go there again, after all. I'm actually going to ol' Jim Morrison's as well -- gonna try and avoid the burnouts -- as a favor to a good friend who has never had the chance herself either, and who is a dyed-in-the-wool Doors fan.

Beyond that, I asked Momus hisself for advice, being an iggorunt Merkin and all -- he suggested this:

"I'd recommend a trip to the Bibliotheque Francois Mitterand (good sombre wood panelled cafe there, though not sure if you can eat fully there) followed by a visit to the art galleries on the nearby Rue Louis Weiss, 13th arrondissement. If you have time, check out the Vietnamese Chinatown nearby also.

Or for more conventional inner city prettiness, the Rue des Rosiers in Le Marais. It's an old Jewish area abutting (ahem!) a new gay area. Chez Marianne is an excellent place to eat here."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And now that I read Suzy's description more thoroughly, her description of the 13th nearly matches Momus's own. CONSPIRACY?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whether you're looking for it or not, Ned, you won't be able to miss Jim Morrison's grave -- people have scratched arrows onto tombstones and mausoleums pointing to it (very disrespectful if you ask me). But that was 6 years ago and they might have cleaned up things a bit since then. Since I'm a history/politics buff, I also checked out the Mur des Fédérés (where 147 of the Communards were executed) as well as the graves of Chopin and various other exiled Polacks.

Dunno whether I'd say Paris is the most romantic city on Earth (I'm cheesy, I'd pick Venice), but a classic and very much so. So much history and yet so much modernity (I loved the Pompidou Center). Defintely check out the Sainte-Chapelle, the Ile St-Louis, and the Jardin des Tuileries. Also nothing beats walking the length of the Champs-Elysee (from the Tuileries up to the Arc de Triomphe, which is surrounded by the most insane traffic circle I've ever seen anywhere).

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There was talk of kicking Mr. Mojo out. Did they not?

Josh, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I yearn to see the Centre Pompidou and The Mussee DeOrday and the Louvre. Brign me a postcard please.

anthony, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

deOrsay (sp)

anthony, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just re-read this thread and noticed someone bitching about the residents of Munich. Count me in on that -- Munich was total crap, the Los Angeles of Germany and easily the most overrated place on Earth (fuck Oktoberfest). Granted, the city had been bombed to shit during WWII, but even the fucking East German and Polish commies did a better job in rebuilding Dresden and Warsaw so that neither looked like an overgrown version of Yonkers.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

paris, texas - nuff said.

Geoff, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Having mainly visited with mates and dreaded penpals I have to say the romance eluded me. But I don't think the Parisians are as rude as us stroppy Londoners. It depends how romantic you consider rudeness I spose.

Mind you I have found romance in a tent in an East Sussex campsite so what do I know?

Emma, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought Paris was very pretty n'all - though I don't think it is a patch on London for architectural juxtapositions. The best bits are the obvious bits - the bits which aren't made of sandstone (so Centre Pompidou which was unfortunately shut wins hands down). Food was pretty good, people were pretty friendly even to my piss poor GCSE French, but the Paris Metro is RUBBISH.

Pete, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Paris Metro = easier to travel on illegally free than any other subway in Europe? Discuss (used to be true: not that I am the Raffles of All Europe or anything...)

Has way cool station names: Stalingrad!! (Is it still called this?)

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

YO, it's all about Versailles, kid! That palace is easily one of my ten favorite places on Earth, if only for the hall of mirrors. The grounds are wonderful, too, especially if the flowers are blooming.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm not sure about Paris - I spent three months there, so I sort of know it but it wasn't long enough to feel really at home and I haven't been back for four years so I'm not sure what I'd think of it now.

Tourist stuff: a good restaurant is le Commerce. It's on rue du Commerce and the nearest metro station, funnily enough, is Commerce. Very cheap groceries and booze can be acquired from Ed supermarkets (like a French Kwik Save) - there's one on rue des Entrepreneurs, round the corner from le Commerce. It's worth sitting on the number 1 metro line all the way out to La Defense - it looks great in bright sunshine. The Eiffel Tower is bloody expensive, but you have to go up it, don't you? The Musee Rodin is lovely - I think the sculptures by his lover, Camille Claudel, outshine his own.

Madchen, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I went to Paris as part of a five-week European Teen Tour From Hell. I don't remember too much, apart from being fantastically MISERABLE and ALIENATED. I was seventeen at the time, not old enough to do things on my own, so I couldn't go anywhere on the tour without at least two other tour members accompanying me. This would have been fine and all had I anything in common, apart from age, with my fellow tourists. I wanted to see the places Proust wrote about, they wanted to shop, and never the twain would meet.

I think our tour group spent a grand total of one half-hour at the Louvre. Another morning, our guardians dropped us off at the Centre Georges Pompidou, which was hosting, excuse me, a fucking EXHIBITION on LEGO ART. I mean, HELLO? Total intellectual porn, custom-made for Michael Daddino circa 1988. And what did the fucktards I was stranded with want to see? A street performer breaking chains and walking on glass, followed by lunch at McDonald's. I could go on.

Just about the only cool things I did in Paris was 1) buy some cool baggy striped shorts 2) eat at a Vietnamese restaurant 3) see Woody Allen's Manhattan in a theater, with French subtitles.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fucktards = word of the day

Nicole, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Paris is boring, expensive, unfriendly, and crowded; going there in July or August is downright masochistic. Munich is what would've happened had the Germans designed San Jose. My favorite european cities are Rotterdam and Trieste.

Kris, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm with Nicole there -- 'fucktard' seems oh so appropriate for so many people.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark: whatever they call the metro in Amsterdam was far easier to ride on for free. I think ticket buying was on the ol' honor system. But perhaps it really was free and I'm just an idiot. Please advise.

Public transportation in metropolitan cities: S&D.

Los Angeles is an obvious candidate for destruction.

Toby, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is Ste. Chapelle the little chapel with the awesome stained glass, or am I totally thinking of something else? Also, what's the student district called? I can't remember, but there's some nice book shops over there. No one's mentioned The Pantheon yet...I think that's a neat place (Foucault's Pendulum, where Voltaire and Victor Hugo and The Curies are buried).

Joe, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

> Is Ste. Chapelle the little chapel with the awesome stained glass, or am I totally thinking of something else?

Yes, it is.

Oh yeah, I also liked the Paris Metro. I also liked that little lights-and-levers thing they had in stations showing you what lines you had to take to get from Point A to Point B using the Paris Metro. If only the New York Transit Authority would follow suit :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's also the Hôtel des Invalides, where Napoleon's tomb is located. There's a snapshot of me floating around with my hand inside my shirt whilst visiting the tomb, à la Little Nappy. (Well, I thought it was funny.)

Supposedly, the Athens subway has relics from archeological digs in its various stations (all of which were recovered when they were digging the tunnels). I've never been to Athens, and that would be a cool thing to see.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Musee Rodin is lovely - I think the sculptures by his lover, Camille Claudel, outshine his own.

This is bollocks, as you'd expect from such an unreliable source. However, the Rodin museum and gardens are so not to be missed. Skip the fucking Eiffel tower, please. It's just a big TV transmitter and is overrun with the most irritating teenagers the world can muster.

I think Paris is beautiful. Even the dilapitated bits. Unlike London, the city the architecture forgot. I saw London from that big stupid wheel for the first time the other day and it just looks like nothing. Yes parts of the centre are magestic, but most of the rest is just an unholy mess of stained concrete and twee suburb Barratt home hell. Why isn't plaster used more? I hate stupid little London bricks. Unless it's a row of houses that are produce a classic London street a la Peckham or something.

Nick, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"London, the city the architecture forgot": this = amazing bogus rubbish mr nick dastoor, and we were only six days ago on a rooftop from which it was possible to disprove that, had we not all consumed so much alcohol that [insert amusing ending to basically irrelevant part of sentence]. The place to find architecture, as you walk down a busy thoroughfare in London, is by LOOKING UP. The upper reaches and topmost peaks of MANY MANY buildings are sumptuous and astonishing, tho generally very run down and unkempt [often with great sprays and bushes of plant growing out of them]. Shopfronts are of course mere readymades. Great great towerblocks — Trellick House [sp?] that you can hardly avoid seeing from the Westway the best known — are dotted round too, though many many rubbish ones spoil THAT average. LOOK UP YOUNG PEEPS LOOK UP!

mark s, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i am very disappointed this thread is not about the paris who did 'the devil made me do it'

ethan, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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