Dennis Kucinich

Richardson's bringing the turkey neck. Anything else?

Richardson isn't articulate enough to challenge the blandishments, banalities, and self-congratulation of the other candidates, even when they're discussing issues on which he holds decidedly different opinions. Kucinich sometimes makes the others look like prevaricators.

I can't really see any reason he was excluded except for this. It's not as though if they changed the terms of inclusion to allow his participation, that they'd have to accept anyone else.... Kucinich, while he didn't fare quite as well as Richardson, is a serious, nationally-known candidate with a great deal of support and almost universal ballot presence.

"great deal of support"

fake amateurist???

fwiw, i do think he should be included until he drops out, but c'mon

I can't believe Ron Paul was on but Kucinicj wasn't.

paul polls around 10%, kucinich only polls around 2%

My world is WEIRDENED

I suppose that could be easily misinterpreted as my overstating his support. By great deal, i mean he has thousands of supporters in nearly every state. He has endorsements from magazines like The Nation--left, of course, but hardly fringe, and certainly respected and well-established.

look, the guy has been around national politics for decades and can never get above 5% support in his own party. maybe the reasons why he can't do that involve some media and/or party establishment dirty tricks or whatever, but he's a losing proposition at this point. of course, huckabee was an afterthought 2 months ago, so you never know....

My point, in any event, is not that he's a likely nominee but rather that his presence adds a great deal to the debates and that there's little justification for his exclusion (especially if Richardson is included).

i think only dennis kucinich should have been in the debate. kucinich vs. gibson.

true, but richardson's support, however miniscule, is running 2-3 times that of denny. arbitrary but that's how it goes.
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ABC included anyone who polled above 5%. Richardson did, Kucinich didn't. it might be little, but it's justification.

Which polls? I might be wrong about this, but I recall seeing a few polls in which the difference between Kucinich's level of support and that of Richardson (and not long ago, Biden) wasn't very great.

http://www.pollster.com/08-NH-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Does Kucinich's exclusion from those polls suggest that his numbers are infinitesimal or has he just been cut out because he's the lowest-polling candidate on average?

All I think about when I hear Kucinich mentioned is this:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9838/picture1xc9.png

Liz: he's also playing Barack Obama!
Angie: No. We support Kucinich.
Liz: Angie, I'm sorry I lied, but you gotta give me another chance.
Angie: excuse me, but did you just try to control my body with your white hand? Don't make me contact Reverend Sharpton

anti-vegan bigotry
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so gonna happen
http://veganica.com/works/a1/p1806_me-dennis-elizabeth.jpg

I was wondering how long it would take before his wife came up. I find that very irritating, but Kucinich hasn't helped by featuring her in his campaign material.

ABC included anyone who polled above 5%.

heh, that's handy isn't it? hope next time he makes it to 6% and they have to raise that to 10%.

lol @ caek

Does Kucinich's exclusion from those polls suggest that his numbers are infinitesimal or has he just been cut out because he's the lowest-polling candidate on average?

why don't you look at the polls themselves? this involves "clicking" on "links"

I was wondering how long it would take before his wife came up. I find that very irritating, but Kucinich hasn't helped by featuring her in his campaign material.

or running for President to find a mate

but i'm sure americans would love to vote for a guy with a wife who isn't a citizen

congrats on yr successful trolling

hmm i swore i just posted this but:

gabbneb do you think if someone had found a few polls with kucinich at 5.1% the debate producers would have sat around going "well, i don't know! he's at 5.1! gotta include him!"

i think the idea that the debates are based on neutral, objective criteria is ridiculous -- they never have been

Are there 2 gabbnebs with exactly the same display name or something???

gabbneb do you think if someone had found a few polls with kucinich at 5.1% the debate producers would have sat around going "well, i don't know! he's at 5.1! gotta include him!"

i wouldn't rule out the idea that if Richardson were polling above 10% and Kucinich were polling between 5 and 10%, they would have drawn the line at 10%, but otherwise the answer to your question is yes. the rule would have applied equally to dodd and quite possibly biden if they hadn't dropped out (and to richardson, if he hadn't maintained above 5% in at least one poll - there was one that had him at 4, but others were above).

ABC had no problem including Kucinich in its August 19 debate

as much as i'd like to include everyone, if you've been paying attention, you know that last night was probably the best debate there's been in the whole campaign, and it's in no small part because we're not just giving everyone tiny soundbites because there are so many people on the stage

<I>congrats on yr successful trolling
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Why are you being so belligerent? That's patently not the tone I've taken here. I was given a link to a poll aggregator that didn't even have a column for Kucinich, and was wondering why this was.

I'll crawl back into the shadows now, good riddance, "gabbneb."

amateurist don't worry about it - something about democratic politics gives gabbneb 'roid rage

Living around here you wouldn't think Kucinich is a fringe candidate. He has a little sign in every other front yard.

I was wondering how long it would take before his wife came up. I find that very irritating, but Kucinich hasn't helped by featuring her in his campaign material.

-- amateurist, Sunday, January 6, 2008 6:17 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i would post that quote from 'the departed' that tracer posted for obama again but you get the idea.

why is gabbers so upset?

i mean really re his wife, way to fuckin go, den!

Living around here you wouldn't think Kucinich is a fringe candidate. He has a little sign in every other front yard.

I know you're in L.A. now, Adam, but I remember when I was in San Francisco four years ago, I saw a flyer on someone's doorknob advertising Kucinich's candidacy in Chinese, and something about that seemed so quintessentially San Francisco, I would've taken a photo if I'd had a camera.

Also reading a thread with both Adam and Amateurist really makes me feel like it's 2004 again.

Well, I probably live in one of the more "San Francisco-esque" of Los Angeles neighbourhoods.

Glad I could bring a bit of 2004 to your day!

Ron Paul is a maniac, but now I know what would happen if Jimmy Stewart and Ian McKellen spawned a savant libertarian manbaby.

he does look like ian mckellen!

don't sweat it amateurist, not everyone here can reach the heights of political insight contained in such gems as "but i'm sure americans would love to vote for a guy with a wife who isn't a citizen."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=267005

saw Viggo and Kucinich on Fox News yesterday and cracked up, Viggo brought the zings

Dennis was very classy, too, especially when the host was fishing for him to denounce Hillary Clinton.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wdiDYlX6tl4

Unfortunately a Fox News appearance isn't going to do much to boost his visibility among those who matter.

I like him

he's a likable, sensible little dude who hangs out with paladins

BIG KOOS

viggo mortenson basically has the life i want - a child with exene cervenka, a past as a truck driver, and a wicked way with an elven poultice

Kucinich is a Catholic vegan!

Interesting link.

He eats all kinds of vegans?

I like how not one, but TWO congressmen list their religious affiliation as Foursquare Gospel. That sounds like a church I'd like to attend.

http://celebration4square.org/images/C4SL.jpg

nice logo...looking good...

http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/sisteraimee/images/bridalcall-thumb.jpg

...international membership, ok...

http://www.geocities.com/ascendedmaster/aimee4.jpg

...and charismatic leadership FTW!

friend of mine who lives in kucinich's district says some DLC guy is trying to take his house seat, he seemed pretty worried about it :/

greenwald at his best, imo: http://www.salon.com/2012/03/10/dennis_kucinich_and_wackiness/

kucinich got a raw deal imo
voted for him in 04 primary, my first election
wkiw at vegan restaurant

he really got shafted by the dnc on this

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/dennis-kucinich-joins-fox-news.html

so this dude actually supports Trump? wtf?

i remember going to see this dude speak in 2004 and finding him so inspiring. but tbh it doesn't surprise me too much that he turned into sort of a tulsi gabbard type.

https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-sen-dennis-kucinich-and-elizabeth-kucinich-at-the-afi-life-achievement-award-honoring-shirley-330407780.jpg

maybe he couldn't help it