the primaries thread doesn't need any more of my matt yglesias dickriding, so here's a whole thread for it
http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0712.yglesias.html
anyway, fuck tim russert
― gff, Thursday, 17 January 2008 04:33 (eighteen years ago)
Yglesias is a sharp fellow. These, to me, are the key paragraphs:
To say that such exercises offer no information would be unfair. But the information is purely meta. Viewers watch a candidate getting grilled by Russert not to assess the candidate's views but to assess his or her ability to withstand the grilling. And, when this sort of toughness and sparring becomes its own reward, the vacuity of the questioning is almost guaranteed. After all, if you asked a politician a serious, important question and got a perfectly good answer, then maybe, for a moment, you couldn't be tough. Instead, Russert relies on his crutch of confronting politicians with allegedly contradictory statements they've made—to highly monotonous effect.Worse, Russert has a legion of imitators. At the same debate in which Russert harangued Democrats about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, audience member LaShannon Spencer came up with an intriguingly open-ended request for candidates to talk about the qualities they would look for in Supreme Court appointments. However, CNN's Suzanne Malveaux swiftly transformed this into a cliched question about "whether or not you would require your nominees to support abortion rights," even though everyone knows all the candidates are pro-choice. Under Russertism, that's a better question, because it's more likely to cause someone to stumble.
Worse, Russert has a legion of imitators. At the same debate in which Russert harangued Democrats about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, audience member LaShannon Spencer came up with an intriguingly open-ended request for candidates to talk about the qualities they would look for in Supreme Court appointments. However, CNN's Suzanne Malveaux swiftly transformed this into a cliched question about "whether or not you would require your nominees to support abortion rights," even though everyone knows all the candidates are pro-choice. Under Russertism, that's a better question, because it's more likely to cause someone to stumble.
So, yes, Tim Russert's interview style usually doesn't elevate the debate.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 17 January 2008 04:55 (eighteen years ago)
fuck him, yes, and fuck chris matthews. i am completely at a loss as to why there hasn't been some kind of massive democratic campaign to get both of their asses kicked off of the debate coverage, let alone their individual programs.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 17 January 2008 08:13 (eighteen years ago)
Russert always looks like he is trying to keep in laughter from a funny joe he heard just before going on air.
― Abbott, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:14 (eighteen years ago)
like joe pesci?
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:15 (eighteen years ago)
This is the best part, all you need to know:
The balls Russert favors may be hard, but the pitches he throws aren't curveballs, which go someplace useful. They're sillyballs, which go somewhere pointless. Russert has created a strike zone of his own where toughness meets irrelevance.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:22 (eighteen years ago)
I'd like to see these guys have to talk to this man every week:
http://parkinson.tangozebra.com/images/jeremy_paxman42.jpg
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:24 (eighteen years ago)
Is this related to the "what nut" poll? xp
― Nicole, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:24 (eighteen years ago)
The balls Russert favors may be hard
hahah... xp w nicole.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:29 (eighteen years ago)
is paxman really all that? i sort of figured he was in the same boat, but i have zero exposure to him
― gff, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:33 (eighteen years ago)
he's not always on target but he at least seems to realize what the actual issues are
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:50 (eighteen years ago)
and he wouldn't be caught dead asking "what are you best and worst qualities"
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
he's got a different audience
― gabbneb, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:52 (eighteen years ago)
[NOT WORKSAFE] have you shagged tim russert yet?
― gershy, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
gabbneb - you mean a british audience rather than an american one? i thought that was a given! as for demographics though i'd say it's probably about the same - educated, middle class. of course paxman is also on several nights a week.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 January 2008 18:00 (eighteen years ago)
he wouldn't be caught dead asking "what are you best and worst qualities"
Um, not in those words, but that's exactly what he does!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 17 January 2008 18:31 (eighteen years ago)
Haha, F--k you too, Chris Matthews
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 18 January 2008 03:50 (eighteen years ago)
you mean a british audience rather than an american one?
his audience/culture doesn't seem to stand for such mormonism, at least broadcast-wise
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 05:02 (eighteen years ago)
guys, i know it's tough, but you really don't have to pay attention to anything having to do with chris matthews in any way (tho i gotta say his oversold debate react was not bad)
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 05:05 (eighteen years ago)
"Chris Matthews apologizes makes exuses for being a total asshole"
http://feministing.com/archives/008433.html
^^ some prime youtubage in there.
uh i think we DO have to pay attention to CM, at least in a meta sense -- or don't you buy the analysis that the sexist glee of cable talking heads tipped the sympathy scales for Hillary in NH?
― gff, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:36 (eighteen years ago)
i don't really buy it - the dynamics of primary voting in a state where anybody from any party can vote in any primary election will be too complex for anyone to really unravel thoroughly. what i do buy, though, is that what chris matthews says and does is a bellwether for his cohort in general. this is not a man who thinks deeply, this is a man who wants to be a top dog in the pack, and to be top dog you have to know where your pack is and what they think and pander to their instincts. like most organizations the press rots from the head down and in his role as cable poobah chris matthews is the fetid, stinking, gnarly skull
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:46 (eighteen years ago)
well, him and rim fussert
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
tracer i know this is wierd but i always picture you as a wizened, fist-shaking nun
― gff, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
Tracer OTM re: Matthews. Glad to see him sort of "get the message." he's been saying that kind of garbage about women candidates and commentators for years. It's completely reactionary. Imus got away with treating women like absolute garbage on his show for years too, and it was only when he completely crossed the line into racial slurs that MSNBC took action. It just blows my mind that the kind of language that'd get you fired at most workplaces is commonplace as part of political discourse on national television.
― daria-g, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
guys, about 300,000 people watch Matthews a night. the idea that he had some influence on NH is laughable. if the media did have an influence, it was their collective decision to play Clintontears as authenticity rather than weakness backlash against them telling NH about Obama's inevitability
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:06 (eighteen years ago)
whoops, that shd have been strikethru
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:07 (eighteen years ago)
the chris matthews douchebaggery omnibus
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:08 (eighteen years ago)
the idea that he's indicative of anything is also laughable - even at his own network he's the overaggressive weirdo eternally losing the competition with russert for the affections/attention of brokawwilliams
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:09 (eighteen years ago)
insert olbermann after russert
his sunday morning freakshow is kinda successful tho, so maybe he'll turn into mclaughlin some day
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:11 (eighteen years ago)
they're all backslapping irish catholic hivemind chums, you couldn't fit a cigarette paper between them
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:12 (eighteen years ago)
and i guess he's learned from o'reilly how to rile people up
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:12 (eighteen years ago)
gff that is actually not too far from the truth
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:13 (eighteen years ago)
no, russert at least disdains if not hates matthews
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:13 (eighteen years ago)
williams would probably rather hang out with conan than either of them
― gabbneb, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:14 (eighteen years ago)
I think he (Matthews) may have realized he's a little haywire after he patted/pinched HRC on the cheek the other night. Can't remember if that's been mentioned on ILE already or not.
― Rock Hardy, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:14 (eighteen years ago)
bob somerby believes he is actually mentally ill
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:15 (eighteen years ago)
I'm aware Matthews doesn't have a big audience but I still have a problem with the guy telling 300,000 political junkies that Hillary is an evil witch who only won elections because of Bill messing around. Not to mention all the other comments about women in politics.
― daria-g, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:17 (eighteen years ago)
I just dropped in on this thread to say "fuck tim russert" is otm.
― Aimless, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:17 (eighteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFw7PPXc-rE&feature=related
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 16:42 (thirteen years ago)
Russert Krishna
Luke Russertwalker has been a disgrace the last 24 hours.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)
I'm sorry you are feeling so sad
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 17:27 (thirteen years ago)
Maureen Orth, a longtime contributor to Vanity Fair and the widow of Tim Russert,
just wrote the Tom Cruise and his former Scientologist screened girlfriend story many are chattering about
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 17:30 (thirteen years ago)
ORTH WIN!
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 20:53 (thirteen years ago)
luke russert "leaving NBC to 'take time away from political reporting & to pursue other interests'"
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:40 (nine years ago)
Luke's serious face is just the absolute cutest thing in the world. you know, the one he puts on while the host is introducing him and he's getting ready to speak. BIG BOY JOURNALISM!
― evol j, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:00 (nine years ago)