!important; Collared shirt, sweater, no tie. Do the collar tips go inside or outside?

Depends on the sweater collar, surely.

Does it, though?

today, it seems, i'm going for outside. but i don't think i have a rule that i strictly stick to.

inside

although having said that, i generally go for inside but with a v-neck you don't have much choice.

yeah, true nuff, unless there's a tie involved. But that's not on the table.

What about the shirt collar? Can it vary based on this, and not just the sweater? If the collar is particularly wide, say in a vintage style, will you wear it in or out? And if the collar is thin and feels like it might slip out sometime during the day anyway, do you just let it hang out preemptively?

i imagine with a lighter collar you might be inclined to wear it out. or if you want to make a feature of the shirt whence you might poke huge quantities of cuff out the sweater sleeves and out the bottom too.

I would say raglan collar inside, crew neck out side, v-kneck how big is the V?

inside - you look like weezer
outside - you look like weezer

I ask because I am struggling with this collar-sweater combo... it's a vintage 70's polyester monstrosity of a shirt, black with white polka dots small enough and close enough together that the shirt is a little dizzying to look at. I digress. I'm putting a plain black sweater over this. With the collar in, I kinda lose the shirt, so what's the point? With the collar out, I look like my head is in line to take off from La Guardia. I'M JUST SO TORN.

whatever looks best with the given sweater/shirt combination.

this varies, just let it happen.

ALWAYS OUT, DUH.

wtf

I look like my head is in line to take off from La Guardia

this is why the answer is in

No, I don't think that's crazy -- I'm definitely a "usually out" guy. Three things change this: 1) a tie, 2) a narrow collar with not much out-yness anyway, and 3) a dreaded button-down collar, which thankfull I have mostly rid my closet of.

I'm going with out on this one. The shirt wasn't made to have the giant floppy polyester collar do anything but let its freak flag fly. I must respect those wishes or not wear the shirt.

xpost

out

JOL OUT!

inside!

kenan, this should have been a poll

It should also be a picture thread.

outie with V

http://www.generateclothing.co.uk/acatalog/NSTP005A.jpg

oh and TUCK IN YOUR SHIRT sheesh

outie with crew

http://static.paulsmith.co.uk/images/originals/womens-aw07-001c070903-small0001-12398.jpg

I would have said inside, but then I remembered how RJG does outside with great flair.

It should also be a picture thread.

too late to make it a poll, but this is me now with my lolcollar

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/big_collar_man.jpg

Dude! no undershirt showing!

gooblar otm

i think the collar looks too wide there personally

It also depends on the collar and whether a tie is involved. Tie makes it innie I think

proper
http://www.shene.richmond.sch.uk/Images/Jumper&shirt.jpg

scruffy
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/495885310_ab3da228ae_b.jpg

Dude! no undershirt showing!

you and your rules. the only way to do that would be to not wear an undershirt, which i decline to do, or button that top button.

i think the collar looks too wide there personally

yeah, i know! it's huge!

RJG is just wearing the wrong king of vest

http://www.got-briefs.com/undershirt.jpg

Rob Liefeld's life model is found.

apologies, kenan is wearing the wrong kind of undershirt

Take it to the "Oh, I always get those two mixed up" thread.

You could certainly see RJG in that shirt, though.

I don't actually own undershirts like that. I don't see why. Seems like an undershirt should either keep you warm or prevent pit stains, and that undershirt does neither.

Plus, I am not built like that dude in the picture. :(

you can get long sleeve undershirts with more of a plunging neck.

vneck undershirt

hmmm... yes, i will do that.

in the meantime, fuck this outfit, it has caused me senseless pain this morning, and I am tired of it.

stick the motherfucking collar in and walk out the door

the only way to do that would be to not wear an undershirt, which i decline to do, or button that top button.

i share this problem. but decline to give a shit.

free the collar!

Upt0eleven:

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3244214.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=DCB332A6E7C66BD3C4B101315123FD75A55A1E4F32AD3138

stick the motherfucking collar in and walk out the door

I would, tried it for a few minutes, but it wants to be free. It has no stiffness around the neck, so it just flops out. I'm good now anyway, plaid shirt, green sweater, collar out, kinda nerdy but not plain wrong. I will be juuuust fine.

Yes, that is the thing -- if you go collar out, then it's less likely for one of the flaps to work its way out of the sweater (unless the collar buttons down, which is my preference, but I am lazy and unfashionable).

Also, surely the undershirt is to protect your shirt from your mansweat? If you're that worried about going cold, button the top button?

Or don't worry about it and live life.

The collar in the photo, kenan, clearly wants to be out. If that's not good, change shirts, but tucking it in just isn't going to work.

I do always in. I always wear an undershirt. I like when It shows.

That's disgusting.

if the collar buttons down, KEEP IT INSIDE THE SWEATER. it looks dumb to have an collar hanging out with buttonholes showing

even if not button-down collar, keep the tabs in

I have a couple of point collar shirst that don't like staying in v-neck sweaters. They're mostly weekend-I-don't-much-care shirts and the reason I leave the collar out is because (a) I'm obviously not trying very hard to look good if I'm wearing them with a sweater and (b) worse tha a collar outside of a sweater is a collar where one tip is in and the other is out, a look that can only successfully be pulled off if you're quite drunk.

Per Kenan's picture: how were you even planning to get that collar inside in the first place? It doesn't look like it'd even fit without jutting up and rubbing the collar against your cheeks.

P.S. the answer to this question is "whichever way looks better"

Also: Dear shirt manufacturers: please start (a) putting more collar buttons on shirts and (b) paying some amount of attention to where you put them, so they're not totally useless. I would start sewing them in myself, but I have no idea how to do buttonholes.