Why do people who were privately educated get so butthurt when you suggest that this may have given them some unfair advantages in life?

good thread

title doesnt need the word 'unfair'

maybe they were butthurt before you spoke to them?

Do they now? I only know public school scuzzos.

The question surely is: where was John McMahon on the night of Maddy's disappearance?

just a guess but maybe because most people don't like having themselves and/or their families insulted?

Dom, it's okay, we know you miss Louis, but this won't bring him back.

it's a good question

see also butthurt for suggesting that private schools dish out 'unlikely' numbers of scholarships

bernard probably otm

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there was a fair amount of butthurting going on at my private school. lol sensitive choice of words.

The question surely is: Why do NME features editors who were privately educated get so butthurt that they have to send out 180 text messages complaining about the bias towards privately educated musicians in the Observer Music Monthly?

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To feel as if you've been kicked in the ass by a steal-toed boot.

The etymology of the word stems from the ancient Greeks observing a descrepit puppy being kicked in the bum by an unwelcoming shop owner. Once a well placed kick has contacted the said bumhole the puppy will run off crying with its tail between its legs.

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Privately educated indies = double butthurt??

N*ck Griffin, he was privately educated.

Yeah? I bet he likes Scouting for Girls as well.

I wonder what privately educated Al Murray As The Pub Landlord has to say about this.

I like to think he'd be ironically racist about it.

"unfair" hehe

Why does anybody CARE about where or how someone was educated? What does it matter?

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Of course it matters! If it didn't matter one way or the other then parents wouldn't spend thousands of pounds on it. Which is why it's a bit silly anyone getting defensive, getting an unfair advantage is the point of private education.

I get pissed off about it because when people "suggest I had an unfair advantage" they act like such cocks about it! I only really get pissed off with middle class people who go on about it, because they almost certainly had more privileged backgrounds than me, just cos they didn't go to public school, they didn't grow up under the poverty line!

Yes, obv it matters in that sense. But why do people obsess over it after the fact? Yeah, it gives some people an advantage to have a private education. So what?

why do the same 3 people obsess over it on ILX after the fact?

Self-referential thread titles, C/D?

getting an unfair advantage is the point of private education

why is it always assumed that a private education is an advantage? or that parents making a large financial sacrifice is an advantage? inverse snobbery nonshocker again.

Because ALL kids who can't afford private education turn into FERAL YOUTHS. It was in the Observer yesterday so it must be true.

thread title was missing a "Why oh " at the beginning.

Perhaps because, correctly or incorrectly, education is widely seen as a foundation for future life success?

(plus this assumption that your parents must have paid loads of money for it, see DG's bizarre denial that scholarships exist)

ha yeah

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Where does that place Siralan Apprentice and all the other University of Life Innit graduates, though?

haha @ Chinatown.

Then again, maybe it's that YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

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why is it always assumed that a private education is an advantage? or that parents making a large financial sacrifice is an advantage? inverse snobbery nonshocker again.

It's not inverse snobbery, it's a statement of fact. No parent in their right mind would spend thousands of pounds over several years on their child's education if they or the child didn't think it would give them an advantage over having gone to the free comprehensive down the road.

why is it always assumed that a private education is an advantage?

It's pretty simple. If you are privately educated, you have a statistically far higher chance of going to university. If you get a university degree, you have a statistically far higher chance of gaining fulfilling, high-paying employment.

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YEAH AND THE SALADS ARE CRAP AND ALL

why is it always assumed that a private education is an advantage? or that parents making a large financial sacrifice is an advantage?

^^^^^^this.

in terms of being taken seriously in my place of work, i've found my private education to have been more of a disadvantage than a help over the years. it's helped me in other ways though, i guess.

This is like Titus Bramble whinging that Cristiano Ronaldo has more goal-scoring opportunities.

I'm not sure how, but it is.

Whoa what do music lessons have to do with anything here? imo it's just another thing to get overzealous parents to dump their $ into, see also: karate lessons

Music lessons code as middle class in the UK.

Start-up capital is hugely important but so is social capital. A pretty significant number of entry opportunities are never advertised, they're found through networking and being in with the right families, via school links, can have a major impact on that.

University links can be just as important but there's also a clear correlation between private education and having access to the most prestigious institutions.

many privately educated kids do not have access to those networks and those institutions, is the thing

Anyone seen godiva since

I don't think anyone would dispute that the advantages don't apply equally to all, even within private education, xp,

itt a bunch of butthurt privately educated kids

lol, OTM.

guys, this is a dom thread.

Obv the poor kids post to the sub thread

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my own private butthurt

lg and lex, two shy retiring types imo

coming from you, darragh? yeah your education really left you afraid to express your opinions! in any case i resent being lumped in with somebody else based on my 20 posts a month here.

i don't presume to know how confident or happy anyone else is, or what advantages life doled out to them. i think plax is otm upthread tho, money gives advantages, not private school necessarily.

itt a bunch of butthurt privately educated kids people

Im deeply damaged u fucker its different

and nobody claimed yis were happy, just better

you did say confident though.

Fair cop

i think it is obvious that social connections are massively important as well, and I do think that access to particular institutions of learning are important for this. i say this as someone who has had two very different experiences of institutions of higher learning, one where wealth never really seemed to enter the equation, surrounded by a very averagely financed peer group, affluence never really permeated anything, the building was falling apart, opportunities were limited. And then another where there was an immediately shocking (to me) culture of bored privilege, iphones, marc jacobs packpacks, unlimited drug money. going to house parties is still kindof pretty expensive. And money circulates in and out of these institutions in vague and difficult to trace ways that link social worlds to startup capital and back to the institution via like "economies of cool," and casual affiliation. Two obscenely wealthy classmates started their own project space with a deep pool of resources and things like this rebound back into prestige and clout that the university can wield, but the people that go to their opening nights are obviously friends and scene-ey people. its complicated and convoluted and yeah i think the confidence of prestige-via-proximity comes into it. but its difficult to unpack and no one element accounts for the whole.

There is a stereotype of the public school hooray-henry whose father dines with members of the media elite and managed to somehow get a key position after just 6 months' internship at his newspaper based on his connections and credentials. And yes, these people exist and I have met them and many many of these people are insufferable.

Equally, I have also met public schoolmembers who go about their business with perfect humility, didn't gain jobs off the backs of their credentials/capital, and wouldn't dream of bragging about their upbringings.

This thread was started by the same guy who said that graduates who leave university to go and work in the video shop are "the worst of the worst", so go figure.

I'm perpetually confused by the divide between US and UK definitions of "public schools" as they mean just about the opposite thing. What do people in the UK call schools that would be public schools in the US, local non-exclusive schools that are paid for through taxes rather than tuition and open to the general public?

state schools

got it - thanks

The term "public school" in the UK is pretty misleading, must admit.

From wiki:

A report published by the commission formed the basis of the Public Schools Act 1868. In the Act a public school was defined as one open to the paying public from anywhere in the country, as opposed to, for example, a local school only open to local residents, or a religious school open only to members of a certain church, or private education at home (usually only practical for the very wealthy, such as the nobility, who could afford tutors).[7]

tbh when we say "public schools" we often mean "fee-paying selective schools", rather than strictly the headmasters' and headmistresses' conference schools.

One of my colleagues was denying he went to a public school, saying it was just an "independent" school. I shut him up by pointing out his school was in the conference and therefore was officially a public school.

The same school Radiohead went to fwiw.

the narcissism of no differences

Basically unless you went to your local comprehensive and got savagely bullied, you're a cunt.

What was the question again?

ps anyone seen godiva

'conference schools' makes me think of john cleese in clockwise

I expect the reaction to the effects on public schooling on a messageboard like this is skewed somewhat towards the type of people who end up on a messageboard like this. The proto-prince-Harry types aren't going to be whining on the internet about the shitey breaks they've had in their life now, are they?

i was definitely not whining, it was more an "it's more complicated than people usually think" but darragh seemed more interested at laughing at his own jokes so w/v

it's been a bracing dose of 2007 here on ilx today

i laughed at all the jokes and i whined all the whines

and all i got was a messageboard like this.

That wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just a general observation. Six years of public schooling didn't teach me clarity.

spose most forms of privilege are unconscious & you tend to be oblivious to how they work in yr favour. i'm not sure what i think about the effects of different schooling overall but the concomitant resentment/defensiveness seems real & unhealthy

do ppl who were privately educated tip better or worse?

what *does* dom p do these days? i know he's much-hated round here, for valid reasons as far as i can tell, but he was never boring.

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i hope this thread keeps going for a week, at least.

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his blog!

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cheers marcelloproof!

did have a little love for that 100 worst twitterers. would have been more acceptable if they'd balanced it with '100 best twitterers' but i guess that's not how he rolls :(

anyone know the real reasons it got closed down? murmurs of legal threats which seem a bit heavy-handed for some internet snark.

lol xo

DP works in b2b comms now. Specifically defence/security industry journals, I believe.

Lex dont hate cos you didnt get the comedy module at hogwarts or w/e

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