Goth vs. Raver: Which is Worse?

IS THIS THE THREAD WHICH WILL TEAR ILE ASUNDER?!!?!

(goths, obv, btw.)

― jess, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ravers are worse. goth ravers aren't as bad as plain ol' ravers.

― electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As PROVEN BY SCIENCE -- Tamago thi clearly demonstrates that the one is a subset of the other.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't like ravers. they don't come to murdering monsters gigs.

― di, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Goth, doh.

― RickyT, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This choice is hurting me deep in my soul.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ravers are great. I wish I'd been a raver, I'm glad I was never a goth.

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's never too late, Tom.

― RickyT, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pass the vaporub, dear.

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ravers are all too skinny for me. Plus their clothing hurts my eyes and sensibilities.

― electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i was going to say ravers for similar reasons to di but really it is groths (grotty goths) who turn up at gigs and gravers are so so much the most awful - but wait hippy-ravers (hipavers) are pretty damn bad and theres so many of them in this small town.

― ducklingmonster, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like raver kids much more due to the fact that they are always up for a good time. goth kids have the weight of their goth world on their goth shoulders. as far as dress goes, goth kids have those pipe-panted freaks beat with their all black ensembles.

― Brock K., Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i know some goths who are fun. maybe they're not "real" "goths". maybe they're "fake" "goths".

― di, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What's with the Goth hate here? All the Goths I've met have been perfectly charming. This must have been about the 4th/5th time I've said something like that, evidently the old NME line of Goth = wanker still holds sway here.

― DG, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

DG, have you *heard* any current goth music. It's appalling.

― RickyT, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Rather meanly DG, I always assumed that the reason people became Goths was social, i.e. it was a subculture with a high visibility factor and you could tell a fellow Goth very quickly which meant that you could find people to talk to easily without the difficult business of having to relate to lots of different kinds of people. Whereas the reason people became ravers was because they liked getting off their faces on drugs and dancing to insanely repetitive music.

So I say ravers are better because I have never been that attracted to subcultural social acceptance whereas I do feel a bit envious for people who spent their late teens loved-up every weekend while I was sitting in my parents house counting my spots.

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The music might be cack but the ones I know are very nice people.

― DG, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As far as I can tell from my contact with both subcultures Tom is bang OTM here.

― RickyT, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PLUR candy ravers are irritating and sweaty. Goths keep quiet and harmlessly lurk around looking morbid. So ravers are worse most of the time.

What are gravers like? Black bead necklaces, spiderweb pacifiers, and bat shaped ecstasy pills? It sounds either very exciting or very horrible.

― Honda, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, last post was for RickyT.

Tom - well that's quite possible, but from personal experience Goths get into it cos they like all the dressing up etc, which seems fair enough to me when confronted with the drab Ben Sherman-ery of Romford. As for the visibility/belonging thing, Goths may be the most obvious but I can certainly spot an indie kid or a metaller at a hundred paces, and I'd imagine anyone who knows anything about subcultures (ie anyone who won't write them all off as 'grungers' etc) could too, I'd wager.

― DG, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ravers can be immensely annoying, assumption = you too are BLOWING UP and do you need a backrub? but of course no reason to really ask because they're already hanging all over your shoulders, not that I mind the occasional attractive woman doing so.

Most goth/industrial people I know are well into their 20's and not nearly as pretentious as the usual stereotypes, plus seem to have a decent grip on world affairs outside of the next party or rave- threatening legislation. though on that topic, I was amused to read an article recently that legislation in Missouri -- intended to free up funds to combat the effects of Goth Culture on 'the youth' -- was killed in order to eliminate unnecessary pork. So in that sense, they're both persecuted for their subbaculchaness.

But goths have infinitely better wardrobe, and generally dance better. A raver will spazz out and twist their arms around nonsensically for about 30 seconds, then sit back up against the wall. I've never understood that -- if you're going to dance, dance dammit! Whereas if a goth isn't feeling the groove, they will sit up against the wall and not even attempt to make an ass of themself.

And indeed, the gravers are the worst. Tattoos + piercings + glow sticks = not much trouble for the rave scene, but it spells bad things for goth culture when it invades the dancefloors and demands that all the rotten new EBM and synthpop get played over good oldschool industrial. bah.

― Sorted out for E's, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, obviously I've known some rave kids who are actually into meditation and heightened consciousness states, health food and sobriety and the like.

― Dare, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hippies are worse than goth+raver squared

― Queen G, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

otherwise written as:

h > (g+r)²

― electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ravers are always cuter, always. always always always.

― ethan, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not so, Ethan. Trust me.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no really ned you don't know the girl i'm talking about, seriously. i mean i've known cute goths but in the end it's like comparing apples and ugly oranges with flaky mascara and no tits.

― ethan, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you should try a different greengrocer in future..

― electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nothing like an insecure tweeker goth chick to make a night complete.

― chaki, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the line between hippies and ravers is a very fine one, the similarities outweigh the differences. Club kids, crashers kids, candy ravers, eugh. Ben shermanites on E, eugh! Flower children in the forest , yeah!

― Ed, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's also a difference between American style Candy ravers of now and English style M25 ravers of the late eighties and early nineties.

― Anna, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well the Candy Ravers also = Eye-Candy Ravers as Norman Phay so nicely showed us a few weeks ago. I'm sure they listen to murderously bad trance music but we were all young once.

― Tom, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i own a cyberdog t-shirt and a Fields of the Nephilim album. where does that leave me?

― Alan T, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it leaves you rent asunder by the line you stand astride.

― chris, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That makes you a Cybergoth Alan. They're quite the new thing.

― Anna, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

god, I'm so modern.

must dig out that album -- loved all the name of the rose samples on it, and that ace of spades homage song. (Just remembered I have another Neph album on tape)

― Alan T, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

EMBRACE YOUR INNER GOTH CANDY RAVER STUCK ON THE M25 MOTORWAY SQUIBBLE!

― jel --, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

top one nice one get sorted!

i can't believe this question is even being asked

― gareth, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never met a goth. I've never met a raver. Gothic girls look cool.

― jel --, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Where you from, what you on Gareth?

― Anna, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ravers!

― Sarah, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

there are nice goths, but on balance, come on if you had to LIVE with one or the other, the chances are a random raver would be more fun to live with than a random gother.

― Alan T, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry, I don't think that I could deal with the same style of interchanges which Gareth and Anna just indulged in. How much of a rave subculture is there today anyway? I admit I'm not in the best position to know anything about that. 'Rave' = something else these days, innit? Unless you mean something along the lines of the TOWNIES from HOLLYOAKS which are HILARIOUSLY BAD ('turn it up till me ears bleed')! The gurl who was a goth until she split up with goth boyfriend and then radically, radically changed styles was DAFT. No kid would be allowed to change social groups THAT easily.

― Sarah, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I read that as 'random gopher' ARF! Although Alan I actually disgree, although a goth may have dumb opinions on things - at least they are more likely to know OF some things I am more likely to have an interest in as well - even if they do talk out of their arses about them. I dunno, goth is a subculture which has it's own literature, mindset, philosophers, never mind music so I supose it's pretty obvious why I'd find it more interesting that some random (also pretty drug driven) rave-oid. Not saying of course that if yr a raver you are also a brane dead townie but if we're just talking about someone who you don't KNOW who you can immediately identify as one of the two sets - I'd be more likely to treat the goth to a snakebit and black first.

― Sarah, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

must... stop... talking... to... self...

― Sarah, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hoorah for Sarah!

― DG, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i. This is easy. Goths = hot AND cool; ravers = meh.
ii. Where is the GF General? Of course he = biggest latent self-hating goth on the board, but I wish to spar with his deluded hata mentalism.

― mark s, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he's outside your house with a burning torch and an unruly mob.

― chris, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't rave kind of dead?

If it is alive isn't the difference that you can tell a goth all week any day of the week, however a "raver" is likely to just look like the average joker on the street until the clubs open. I dunno, I missed rave by almost 10 years I'd say.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw the most fabulous Goth in the Launderette the other day.

I've never known a raver, unless raver = towny => twunt.

― Graham, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(cough)

― geeta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i chatted to a gothy raver this last sat night. there's synthesis for you.

― Alan T, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I AM A GOFF!!!!!!!!!!!!

― "the vampire" Sarah, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

goth is to wampire as raver is to...

― Alan T, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so im annoying because i look good, im fashionable, im not some trendy ass preppy bitch, i have more friends, i enjoy being a teenager by going wild; going clubbing, dancing, oh and did i mention, dressing better than all you preps w/ no fashion sense at all? so i guess that must mean you're jealous cause you will never have as much fun as ravers or be as intellectual and creative and talented as goths.

― the graver, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Raver = worse

― the pinefox, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

indie kids are the GREATER evil. the indie life is pathetic.

― Bob Zemko, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the indies have all the cutest girls.

― Ron, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't go that far.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

to humbly second Ned's point: Ron YOU SMOKE CRACK

― Bob Zemko, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Indie kids rock like magickists.

― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

See Jonathan Richman's "Vampire Girl". JR is intrigued by vampire girls cause they're so dark and mysterious seeming ("I get so excited, when they look like a vampire girl"), then he talks to one after his concert and realizes..."She's not so exciting, she's got all of my records!"

― Mary, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

WTF is a "preppy" anyway? I am confused

― electric sound of jim, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Preppy boys usually wear saggy khakis, untucked button up shirts or polo shirts & white baseball hats, all very carefully rumpled up; they're closely related to frat boys. The name comes from prep school, aka private or college prep boarding schools (or public schools in the UK). Famously summed up by The Official Preppy Handbook.

― lyra in seattle, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And I think in the US it's also often used instead of saying "suburban upper-middle class."

― lyra in seattle, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The problem with this is that there's no satisfactory stereotype for raver, you don't know anyone is a "raver" unless you see them in a club or something. Also is a raver someone dressed up extravagantly in a club or just anyone who likes dance music? I think the boundaries of gothism are a way more defined. So in other words, labelling yourself with your clothing vs. conforming, fite!

(go conforming)

― Ronan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think that a) there was a raver stereotype which was more definable, which seemed to have disappeared gradually, but was then possibly revived by the gatecrasher thing of 98/99?

and b) there is a US (and poss Aust) raver stereotype, which could be referenced by the question

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dressing like a stereotype is not for me, I find it very silly. Conformity is underrated, and all too often the outer wildness is quite the opposite to the actual personality. I suppose if "ravers" means Gatecrasher kids then I'd have to confess I've got plenty hate for them too, but at least they're all fucking anonymous during the week, also there are no stereotypical raver ideas or opinions really.

Ravers=people who have discovered ecstacy and let it change their social habits? What is the path to becoming a goth?

Hmmmm and I get touchy when people make rave references at me, I bring it on myself yet again.

― Ronan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

goth = children who have discovered the night and let it change their social habits

― mark s, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought that was hookers.

― Ronan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, but

theres a conflation of rave with house, and also with trance here isn't there. the way i read things is that 'raver' (uk) is something which made a certain sense 1988-1992/3, (at some point during this time rave became separate from house music), with the collapse of rave, house began to assert dominance (with attendant concepts of 'classyness' and antipathy to rave stereotypes - origins of dad house in guerilla and prog-house circa 93/4?). throughout the mid 90s this seemed to inform club culture (and rise of superclubs) with 'wearing nice clothes and that' - the rise of gatecrasher seemed to stick 2 fingers up to that, with a back to 91 style dress but with new-eurotrance sounds - but all a lot more suburban and middle class than the 92 era stuff - because that section of population (south east at least) would now be uk garage?

ravers (US) seem to be the equivalent of gatecrasher circa 99 - but probably more upper middle class, but then this (as far as i know) could well have changed since then too

why on earth would anyone be touchy about being called a raver??? (although i concede, what it actually means is not quite so definable now (in a uk context))

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OR!

rave no longer a subculture, it has informed and changed the mainstream in its image (so much so, that schooldisco is seen as a 'reaction to', or 'something different'!!!)

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I meant more that I was getting into yet another discussion on dance music (and drugs kind of) and it felt very typical of myself. Being called just a raver doesn't really bother me. What does bother me is the use of the term to describe my life, in the sense that it's no longer applicable. Although this only bothers me in its total misunderstanding of the now, as teenage as it is to be annoyed by this sort of thing.

I don't know if the term raver, even in America, has as powerful a stereotype as goth. I mean as I say, ravers=what? glowsticks, pills, rave music (but not 24/7, it's more a secret kids club). Goths=whole stereotype from fashion to opinions even almost to catchphrases.

The raver stereotype may have died in the UK but will the goth one ever die? I mean will there ever be a day when there aren't kids/adults who feel isolated from society yadda yadda. (DEFINITELY NOT saying that all goths are this but I think this aspect will keep it alive).

People will always go out and listen to dance music and bang pills and dress like crazies but the clothes and the music and the image will constantly change.

I think a huge amount of people could become ravers, it's all so left to chance, I mean everyone goes out, and there's nothing non conformist about taking drugs nowadays really, and clubs are full of people who don't like music etc etc etc. Whereas the goth scene is more underground and specialised.

― Ronan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also there are no stereotypical raver ideas or opinions really.

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― Dan Perry, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But lets face it, in reality school disco is "hey why are we getting fucked at clubs where we only like the music cos of these mitsus when we could drink shitloads of lager and have our fave choons on". Good riddance.

― Ronan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan said it better than I could. Join the so-cal-raves list, Ronan. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

every posse and crew, the future is before your eyes eyes eyes eyes eyes

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, what I meant to say was:

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― Dan Perry, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus Christ. Go home already. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can't go home for another four hours. I was going to do the DTML scrolling/flashing version, but decided I should actually do work. ;)

― Dan Perry, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Oh cripes, I just emailed Geeta reams of irritating HTML. Oops.)

― Dan Perry, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus Christ. Go home already.

but theres an after party...

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

With a DJ spinning 'cool chillout grooves' that are actually bad Acid Jazz B-sides. RUN!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

where, i've got records in the car, any chance of playing for a while? I hear some guy is having a party who has a swimming pool, so I'm told anyway.

― Ronan, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

still, it used to be Lenny Dee and Rotterdam Gabba until 4 in the afternoon in strange buildings. ah, doncaster hacienda - the classiest place in the world!

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

actually, was it true that the dorian gray in frankfurt used to open at 8pm friday and open continuously through the entire weekend, with dj dag etc playing those monstrous 16 hour sets etc etc?

― gareth, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

TS: Freezing to death on the streets of Moscow vs. Death by electrocution in a Las Vegas hotel bathtub. I'm a stimulation whore if the dead dream I sure don't want to spend an eternity dreaming in black and white. If I could be a raver I think I would but unfortunately it's out of the question.

― Kris, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

HOW ABOUT THE COMBINATION HIPPY RAVER GOTH. THE HIP-GRAVER.

― Chris, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What's school disco? It sounds fun.

― Mary, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

P*L*U*R - Keep it real with the underground - P*L*U*R

*Brother and Sister together we will make it*

-=[The rave lives on spread Unity]=-

― fuZz, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

awww, cmon... goths are sweet.

they're so.... "awwww!"

― g-kit, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and as much as I hate myself for it, goth girls are v v spunky

― electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What does it matter?

If Raver's want to walk around looking like a highlighter puked on them, dance with glowing sticks, and pop a few pills of artifical happiness.. more power to them.

If Goth's want to wear nothing but black, write depressing poetry, and sleep in graveyards, more power to THEM.

I like both.

― TrancedxX, Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The idea of ravers being more acceptable than quote,unquote goths or
vise versa is a lovely debate for the new millenium junior high kids that read these scripts.The goth culture was not about doom,death or destruction when it evolved in the late seventies nor did it care who was competing against it. We didn't have hot topic to buy, are you know like avril lavigne lookin crap .And Britney is so gothic meets rave isn't she ? 2003 people !! If you want to be different
then create something that's original and you !! When ravers and goth's ( oh my i'm so like goth !! ) can get the same clothes at the same popular shops in the mall, you know both cultures are finally dead !!NOW ISN"T THAT GOTHIC ??

― Zedra Shen, Friday, 9 May 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

haha "scripts"

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 9 May 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Tamagothi

Click to "Perkygothi", and see what might happen...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 9 May 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/08/24/84280/25727840367l.jpg

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)