James Bond and The Quantum of Solace

Vs. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

This sounds like it should be a one of those high-falutin' food threads

Next up, James Bond and the Order of the Phoenix.

with a title like that clearly Mika will perform the title theme

I had 65daysofstatic pencilled in

Is this the name of a new Bond film?

Surely not?

Some plot details:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=21851

I like the idea of a South American setting, don't think he's been there since Moonraker.

Mathieu Amalric says his villain will not be a larger than life figure. He said "He's not an over the top villian...No scars, no metal jaw - he is nude"

Title more Harry Potter than Harry Palmer, n'est-ce pas?

Interesting write-up on the original story here (way better than wikipedia's barely comprehensible summary)
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=973639

This is superb.

Just to be clear here people the title is just called

"Quantum of Solace"

still a bit too hippy for my liking though

Bit prog

Theme song by Jon Anderson and Coheed and Cambria.

"Bond falls out of a treeeeeee"

sounds like an Astral Projection song

what does it mean?

don't really care, this film is gonna kick ass.

ledge's link explains the meaning

shit is deep

Soooo hype

So this is going to be a romcom about Bond trying to find a ladyfriend?

Or at least some mates?

The Quantum Menace

Key thing is that the title has two "O"s in it for 007 purposes.

There's no way that title doesn't get changed

I hope you're right. Shittiest title I can imagine.

James Bond and the Qualia of Conjugal Fulfillment

James Bond and the Potential for Either Solitude or Engagement

James Bond and the Sickness Unto Death

James Bond and the Fortress of Solitude:

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/fortress-of-solitude-superman.jpg

Winner: Dumbest Title of the Year.

Take a bow, Mr. Bored, James Bored.

I don't like this new, emo, James Bond. I blame that Bourne dude.

people, the theme song must only be by stereolab

Producer Michael Wilson said the film would have "twice as much action" as 2006's Casino Royale, which saw Daniel Craig debut as the iconic secret agent.

The premise of this film sounds really good but I thought Casino Royale had plenty of action. Don't wanna go all Pirates of the Caribbean II and III on it, overwhelming the film with flashes and bangs, and forgetting that that was really only a part of the reason why people thought the previous one was so good.

ugh - just thinking about PotC II makes my head hurt.

From the link up top by Ledge, there are no guns in this movie ?

that's assuming they stay true to the original text. which they won't.

haha, no -- it's just a title; it won't have anything/much to do with the story.

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but presumably it won't "just" be a title and will bear some relation to the text, if not strictly adhere to it. i say that naively hoping it to be true rather than actually believing it.

Michael Wilson said the name had only been decided "a few days ago", adding the story's start point would be "literally an hour after the last film left off".

This is interesting, I think.

yeah... though pre-credits sequence is best when out-of-narrative y/n

people, the theme song must only be by stereolab

-- Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:18

ftw!

Bond is cut up over Eva Green's death but he's still gonna make it with two different women in this movie duh

we all deal with grief differently.

Did anyone else see Olga wotsit in The Serpent? I'd deal with my grief with her any time. Actually, she was super badbondgirlish in that film.

haha

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2252778,00.html

SPOILERS

amalric looks comfortable.

so the imperialist part was when bond took down the extragovernmental actors acting in violation of intl law while a bolivian secret service agent took out the corrupt general attempting to overthrow the democratically elected president of bolivia? im still not sure which is the part where bond interfered in the affairs of any government other than englands and the us.

SHE was directly interfering with another country's internal affairs in her attempts to assassinate the general. Bond didn't give two shits about the leadership of Bolivia and tracked them only as a means to get to Quantum. Furthermore, he was going after them not because of any particular interest in the goings-on in bolivia, but because of interests they had in manipulationg access and information in the UK (ie, more spillover from the previous movie).

He was violent and white tho.

the imperialist part was that the ppl of bolivia even NEEDED Bond in the FIRST PLACE. like, that he had to come in and solve their problems....at least i think that's what it is???

^^^YES thank you

when what he really NEEDED to do was BONE Olga Kurlyenko XD

she wasnt interfering with ANOTHER countrys internal affairs she was interfering with her own countrys internal affairs

THEY DIDNT NEED BOND THE BOLIVIAN CHICK DID ALL THE WORK ANYWAY JESUS

i will interfere with her internal affairs anyday

he also figured out that the UK/US were being suckered over nonexistent oil when quantum was trying to (and basically did) bottle up all the country's water.

the dude basically saved the day is how i break it down to an extent.

Srsly, the gigantic thing you're missing here is that she was doing her own thing that was focused on the Bolivian side of things and he was doing his own thing that focused on the Quantum side of things; she didn't actually need him to solve anything and the only things he really did as far as that was concerned was save her from getting killed in situations where her mission objective would have been or had been already achieved. You're basically taking the fact that this thing went down in a country of brownish ppl who don't have English as their primary language as an excuse to not pay attention to what actually happened in the movie.

i think he is using it as an excuse to challenge our preconceived notions about what's *really* happenin in bond movies

the bad guy had both of his eyes in this movie!!!!

this movie was pretty bad, sometimes it looked like a fucking Zales commercial

Needed more redhead.

I got a kick out the use of the hydrogen fuel cell action. First everything blows up, then a little later we have a Ford SUV with "HYDROGEN" across the front of its hood.

Most of the action scenes were too hyperkinetic, especially when he shift gears and we needed like 5 different cuts to see one action being performed.

The CGI shit was REALLY bad. CGI should be used in a bond flick to hide the wires, nothing more.

Was most amused by the lack of your standard stronger-and-thus-more-inhuman-than-bond villian henchman, who was replaced by a slighly less stoned and more simpering Bez.

All in all, worth my time and $6 to see this in the local neighborhood theater on a holiday friday afternoon.

wait, BEZ was in this?!?

http://depts.washington.edu/kexp/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Bez.jpg

What manner of death should be wished on people who complain about CGI effects in modern movies?

:P

When it's SHIA LEBOUF FLYING THRU THE JUNGLE WITH NEWFOUND MONKEY FRIENDS bad, i gets to complain

ppl are complainin about the death of dapper debonair bond, and that's fair enough, but i like what has replaced it: endless reserves of willpower and composure bond. i like that he walks out of intense physical violence, still looking like shit, into a hotel, and ignores the stares around him. or has a conversation, pulls off some acrobatic shit over a balcony, and continues the same conversation. and drinks like a fish and doesn't sleep. i like that he's less compartmentalized and has to snap between the commando shit and the GQ society shit from second to second. shirtless bond showing major damage was a good lift from the bale batman.

i did like the stylized titles for the different locations

Morbius, I actually wrote my piece linked above as a long response to your post that relatively good politics couldn't save a mediocre movie, which I think they do, though I'm sure I like the movie and politics better than you do to start with.

The real drama Shakey's missing is that a stepson producer-heir of the Bond franchise, one with experience of and apparent passion for international law, has reshaped an imperial icon into a slyly and also pretty explicitly anti-imperial one. All these little departures add up. As I said in the piece, the National Review took the trouble to attack the film's politics. But the central plot premise of Quantum is straight out of Bolivian current events over recent years. Bond coming out on the left of Obama is pretty major in my psyche.

yes, let him do it next time in a better film. (ie, blame Paul Haggis)

Needed more redhead.
That's what I thought.
This was okay for a feature length commercial, I guess. My friend who really flipped over Casino Royale was disappointed by this.

A feature-length commercial for what? Revenge killing?

Calvin Klein's Vengeance

For action movies.xpost

it was a great commercial for action movies

it made me want to see more action movies

Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not big on action movies, I guess. New ones, anyway. I got lost in trying to remember who it was that Bond was seeking out for revenge and I can't follow all the super closeup action stuff that has become so prevalent in these movies.
I'll exit this thread now, not trying to piss on anyone's parade.

though this was pretty eh but i hadn't seen casino royale or any recent bond movies really. craig was good but a lot of the action, especially the opening sequence, seemed disjointed and confusing. the bourne movies were way better in terms of having crazy fast action that the human brain (or at least my brain) was still capable of processing

^^^^ I agree with that criticism even though I still really liked the movie a lot.

saw this today and thought it was pretty meh... for one thing i didn't really remember any of the plot details from casino royale and so i was pretty lost when they got into that stuff like right away... i kind of think as a matter of principle you shouldn't have to hang onto that shit from movie to movie when it comes to bond stuff. i blame this era's long-arc plot insanity, which is great on TV but generally pretty terrible for movies. action was pretty sub-bourne. and what was with dude getting chewed out every time he killed anybody?? isn't the whole thing that he has a LICENSE to kill??

anyway, in general i guess i approve of new-serious-bond but i do miss the gadgets and shit a bit... i feel like they've gone too far in the grim-faced plotty direction. bond movies shouldn't feel like they're hurrying the plot along and being the second part of a trilogy for christ's sakes.

guess im glad that james bond saved the world from a bolivian water shortage tho.

you guess youre glad??

ppl are complainin about the death of dapper debonair bond, and that's fair enough, but i like what has replaced it: endless reserves of willpower and composure bond. i like that he walks out of intense physical violence, still looking like shit, into a hotel, and ignores the stares around him. or has a conversation, pulls off some acrobatic shit over a balcony, and continues the same conversation. and drinks like a fish and doesn't sleep. i like that he's less compartmentalized and has to snap between the commando shit and the GQ society shit from second to second. shirtless bond showing major damage was a good lift from the bale batman.

― as a dude (goole), Monday, December 1, 2008 4:09 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well said, i feel much the same.

ya im into that, i just wouldn't mind some cool rocket pens or something too

well, there's a sony cybershot

and some minority reprt cyber screens

I loved the villain, he was like Serge Gainsbourg crossed with an International Male catalog.

i was hoping he'd end up being a cured version of his character from diving bell & the butterfly... emerges from an armoured diving bell, signature move is pinning a butterfly on his victims... signature mannerism is a coy wink

I remember cheering on bond and being really pleased with the new bond chick. I think I was more happy to see any bond film, than I was was happy when I actually watched this film. That and because I was sobering up, made me realize, halfway into the movie, that what I was watching actually sucked. The ending, the only part I can remember somewhat well, when the fire was in some building in Bolivia; that part sucked. I drove home thinking "what a sucky film that was". I wonder how much of that is truth, or whether I can blame it on sobering up causing symptoms of depression. Is that what sobering up does? nahhh, the movie probably just sucked balls. This doesn't mean I dislike Craig. I just rather have a film with over the top action instead of a realism driven, chopped up, speed fighting scenes. You could say over-the-top is what made bond awesome. Like sucking air out of a car tire to hide after the car ended up underwater...

And bring back crazier looking enemies please. With crazy skills at something weird like throwing hats or knives or whatever.

Just watched this and enjoyed it even though it seemed to cram an awful lot in almost 2 hours.

Speaking from the context of someone who has just watched his first two James Bond films ever, I kinda don't understand the critical drubbing this received, particularly in comparison to Casino Royale. I mean, they're both kinda just dumb and flashy and plothole-ridden action movies at the end of the day, but I'd say I preferred QoS to CR (although QoS obvs doesn't function as a discrete film separate from CR). That said, these felt like relatively anemic copies of the Bourne and M:I films (which I assume have, in turn, derived and refined a lot of stuff from the earlier Bond movies).

Casino Royale has more coherent and purposeful action sequences than QoS, is more emotionally engaging, plus as a life-long Bond watcher, I can say it just feels a lot more Bond-y.

CR is one of the best Bond films, but is sort of a commentary on the earlier entries so is probably not the best one to start with.

Try From Russia With Love.

try North by Northwest

back to rewatching Bonds after seeing Spectre. I remember fuck all about this one, I remember being stoked to see it cos the trailer was badass and then getting so bored I don't think I finished it?

also feel like Craig's head has gotten wider in each film

watched as part of the Dan Craig 'quadrilogy' this has some perfectly fine moments IMO!

James Bond and His Quantum of Solace