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Sorry, but marriage and sex DON'T go together By SADIE NICHOLAS - More by this author » Last updated at 08:12am on 25th January 2008 Comments
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Carrie Jones hasn't had sex with her husband Hal, a City banker, for the past four years. Nor does she want to. Sex is something she can no longer summon the effort to endure - with the man she married, at least. She admits she stays in her sexless relationship for the sake of her children, aged nine and 11, and will remain celibate until the day they are grown up and she feels able to leave. At which point, she confesses, she will probably abandon her husband and begin a sexual odyssey to find the satisfaction that eludes her.
An unusual case? A sorry lack of libido? She insists not. "If I thought I was unique in my sexual disappointment I'd probably be suicidal," muses Carrie, 45, a publishing executive, who lives in North London with Hal and their children.
"I remember the first time my girlfriends and I admitted that we all felt the same about married sex as parents: we couldn't be bothered with it and felt guilty for not wanting to sleep with our husbands. It was a revelation. I remember thinking: 'Thank God! It's not just me!'
"Now I believe there are thousands of other married women who would love to admit sex isn't all it's cracked up to be. But, if the constant cliches in women's magazines and chick-lit are to believed, we should all be enjoying prowess in the boardroom and swooning every night in the bedroom.
"It's the great taboo that no one dares admit - that sex is often a let-down."
So convinced is Carrie that her experience of sex in marriage - initially pleasant, dwindling to nothing at all after having children - is a universal one that she has just written a book, under an assumed name, highlighting the disappointment of her sex life.
"It's a sort of 'Frigid Jones' Diary'," she laughs, though she is not joking. "I want to break the taboo. Sex frequently isn't the chandelier-swinging experience that certain authors would have us believe is every woman's rite of passage.
"For me, the sense of being special to Hal faded away just as it did with previous boyfriends. I became obsessed with agony columns, poring over letters talking of boring marriages and the temptation of affairs and willing just one agony aunt to advise someone to run off with a lover.
"Of course, they never did. It was always: 'Go and work at your marriage.' But I didn't want to work on mine. I wanted someone to say: 'Actually, perhaps nothing will make you want to sleep with your husband again,' which is how I feel.
"I've made my choice. For now I'm caught up in marriage's net, bound up with responsibilities to my children. My interest in sex with the person I was supposed to be closest to has died. I could leave but for now I'll wait because of the desolation it would wreak on my family.
"I want to maintain the family unit because it makes other things possible, like doing things together with the children. But one day, when they are older and I can think about my own needs again, I may leave and start all over again.
"In the meantime, I want to tell other women that they are not alone in not wanting to have sex with their long-term partners. I don't think it's possible to maintain the passion of the initial chase. But it doesn't mean you won't experience those feelings again with someone else."
She may be considering an extreme - some would say distasteful and selfish - course of action for the future but Carrie's upbringing was very conventional. A Cambridge graduate, she was raised in Yorkshire, the only child of teacher parents whose marriage, she says, "was pretty dull".
She and Hal were introduced by friends when they were both 33, and she admits that they "clicked brilliantly".
They had sex up to five times a week before having children. But like her previous experiences, the longer the relationship lasted, the more disappointing it became.
"The problem is that sex in a long-term relationship inevitably becomes less alluring as domesticity sets in," she says. "Hal and I were very well suited in terms of our personalities and common interest in books, music, art and films but we never had the kind of wild, passionate sex that leaves you wanting more.
"Like most successful long-term partnerships, our relationship wasn't built on sex or passion. At best, sex was simply fine."
But even the "fine" sex Carrie recalls was soon replaced by despondency once the couple's first child was born.
"I did the middle-class mother thing in a big way," she says. "I gave up my career, breast-fed each child for a year and spent my days in a dizzy whirl of playgroups and coffee mornings.
"I'd flipped from wife to mother, and it gave me excuses - often genuine - to cold-shoulder my husband's sexual advances. He knew I was tired from the children and was always very understanding. He's an unusually kind and tolerant man." Indeed he must be.
Certainly, once the first flush of love and lust gives way to familiarity, domesticity and parenthood, few would argue that making love is the wanton adventure it was. But Carrie goes one step further. She believes that marriage and motherhood are simply not conducive to having a sex life at all.
"Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life. The two things are violently at odds," she adds.
"After umpteen years with the same person, sex is bound to get boring. Some people put themselves first, have affairs or simply leave their marriages in search of sexual adventure.
"I've chosen to sacrifice sexual thrills in order to do the right thing by my kids."
But a martyr Carrie isn't, and surely Hal does not feel she is doing the right thing by him. The couple still share a bed, though physical contact is strictly off limits.
"We've never discussed the demise of our sex life," she says. "It was more a case of reaching a low ebb of energy on my part.
"For a long time I didn't even realise it was the end of marital sex for us. But when years have passed, you realise it ended a long time ago."
Unbelievably, her poor, unsuspecting husband is not only unaware of her plans to leave him. He also, she insists, has no idea that she has written a book or posed for these pictures. She seems as confident of him not finding out as she is that he is understanding of her feelings.
For when asked whether she worries that Hal may seek sexual gratification elsewhere, she says: "I'm not concerned. I don't think that would happen. It's not Hal's fault that I wish to remain celibate; it's nothing he's said or done. He's a good man and a great dad. It's just that I don't want to be intimate with him any more."
Such cold words must leave her husband reeling? She insists not.
"There's a general understanding between us that I'm keeping the family unit together," she says. "Children need to be brought up by parents in a monogamous marriage. I wouldn't want to blow that apart, and I certainly wouldn't want the burden of being a single parent.
"I know from taking the kids on holiday on my own once when Hal was working that having sole responsibility for them is exhausting."
So what of her sexual history? It seems that Carrie wasn't always this uninterested in sex. She admits to having 23 lovers before she married.
"Ten were proper boyfriends," she recalls. "I regretted having sex with six of them, loved three of them but only one of the 23 ever gave me an orgasm.
"As I entered my thirties, it was obvious my sex life had a recurring, rather depressing pattern: intense desire to begin with followed, if the relationship survived long enough, by a slow winding down into indifference.
"Only an affair with a married man called John bucked the trend. But that was doomed by its very nature."
Five years ago, Carrie almost cheated on her husband after regaining contact with an old flame on the website Friends Reunited.
"I nearly lost my virginity to Mark when we were 17, but my mother arrived home as we enjoyed a fumble in my bedroom," she recalls.
"He was gorgeous, looked like a man even back then in his school uniform, and remained in my consciousness for all those years.
"When I looked on Friends Reunited, it was an enormous thrill just to find Mark's name. I e-mailed him immediately. He replied with an update on his life and said he was single - I was intoxicated.
"We began to exchange flirtatious emails, then text messages and phone calls which became increasingly fraught with sexual tension.
"After a few months of tantalising cyber sex, I booked a flight to go and see him in Germany, where he was living, over Easter 2003. But between booking the flight and the departure date, Mark found a girlfriend. I was distraught, my hopes of sexual adventure dashed."
Did Carrie not feel an ounce of guilt about her plans to cheat on Hal? "I had been feeling so sour about my sex life with Hal.
"But, back in contact with Mark, I suddenly discovered that my sexual urge wasn't dead as I had feared, just dormant.
"It was glorious to feel aroused again, and those feelings blocked out any guilt I might otherwise have felt about Hal.
"For the few months that Mark and I flirted online, I had two existences: one where I cooked and cleaned and went frigidly to bed at night. And another where I had butterflies in my stomach and stole off to write sexy, flirty emails and text messages to a man I hadn't seen for more than 20 years."
Eventually Carrie was forced to confess her feelings about Mark to her husband after he discovered the email exchanges between the two on her computer. Astonishingly, Hal comforted her while she sobbed and, she says, for a short time the pair were closer and more able to talk.
"But as time went on, it became clear this was just an interlude in our marriage rather than a permanent change," admits Carrie. "The old coldness returned and, since then, I have been unable to have sex with my husband."
Such a sorry tale of a sexless, unfulfilling marriage is in stark contrast to the current throng of writers littering the Amazon book charts with jaw-dropping memoirs of lurid sex lives.
Carrie admits that part of her envies those authors who claim to be having lots of sex and, more significantly, love it. The other part of her just doesn't believe them.
"I do wonder if they are just writing what they think the audience wants to hear," she says. "I read their accounts of wild sex lives and then ponder my own sexual encounters and wonder: 'Where was the fun, the screaming ecstasy, the fireworks?'"
Perhaps when her children are grown up, Carrie will do as she intends and leave her marriage.
Only then will she know whether the fantasy of taking in multiple lovers and never committing to one man is a greater thrill than being in a monogamous marriage.
• Cutting Up Playgirl: A Cheerful Memoir Of Sexual Disappointment, by Carrie Jones, published by Old Street on February 15, £8.99.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, 25 January 2008 09:58 (eighteen years ago)
She admits she stays in her sexless relationship for the sake of her children, aged nine and 11, and will remain celibate until the day they are grown up and she feels able to leave. At which point, she confesses, she will probably abandon her husband and begin a sexual odyssey to find the satisfaction that eludes her.
An unusual case? A sorry lack of libido? She insists not. "If I thought I was unique in my sexual disappointment I'd probably be suicidal," muses Carrie, 45
guys, how do i meet "cougars"?
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:13 (eighteen years ago)
;]
― gr8080, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:21 (eighteen years ago)
You know, I hesitate to say this but...
She sounds like a crap shag.
― Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:36 (eighteen years ago)
i love how her life is shit so she assumes everyone else's is too, and anyone who says otherwise is probably lying. projecting, much?
― ailsa, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:40 (eighteen years ago)
lol marriage :(
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:41 (eighteen years ago)
i think the mail publishes about 10 articles like this a day tbh!
"We've never discussed the demise of our sex life," she says.
bang-up job guys.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:44 (eighteen years ago)
tl;dr
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:48 (eighteen years ago)
That woman is so full of crap. Seriously.
― marianna lcl, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:54 (eighteen years ago)
For when asked whether she worries that Hal may seek sexual gratification elsewhere, she says: "I'm not concerned. I don't think that would happen.
rofl
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:01 (eighteen years ago)
also: She admits she stays in her sexless relationship for the sake of her children, aged nine and 11, and will remain celibate until the day they are grown up and she feels able to leave. At which point, she confesses, she will probably abandon her husband and begin a sexual odyssey to find the satisfaction that eludes her.
the kids must be grateful for her understanding mother? one who tells the world that they are basically burdens to her getting a decent shag?
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:04 (eighteen years ago)
OK, I don't actually believe all of this.
she has just written a book, under an assumed name, highlighting
And the "sexual oddysey" is her angling for a follow up book deal...
― Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:07 (eighteen years ago)
I certainly wouldn't want the burden of being a single parent.
"I know from taking the kids on holiday on my own once when Hal was working that having sole responsibility for them is exhausting.
Oh, you poor poor soul.
― ailsa, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:09 (eighteen years ago)
Sorry, this whole thing is bogus.
― Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:09 (eighteen years ago)
this is what happens when stevem gets his way and we start discussing daily mail articles! walk away!
and talk about guardian articles instead.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:11 (eighteen years ago)
LOL. What an awful person.
― Mark C, Friday, 25 January 2008 11:13 (eighteen years ago)
she sounds retarded. does she not actually realise that regular awesome sex with the same person for like 10yrs or more requires both parties to put at least SOME effort in??
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:05 (eighteen years ago)
i bet she stopped giving head the day she got a ring on her finger.
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:06 (eighteen years ago)
Hahaha. I hate to say it but I bet you're right.
― marianna lcl, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:10 (eighteen years ago)
i wonder if her book will be as interesting as this article and/or her sex life.
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:14 (eighteen years ago)
'do unto others as you would have done to you' --->>> v v simple golden rule to follow, ms jones!!!
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:15 (eighteen years ago)
I'm sure it will be every bit as interesting.
xp
― onimo, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:15 (eighteen years ago)
she seems like one of those ppl who has read way too much chick lit and thinks that rad sex just 'happens' cuz you have amazing chemistry with someone and it should just last forever all on its own.
maybe she should have bought her and her hubby one of these: [NOT SAFE FOR WORK] http://www.liberator.com/products_esse.php
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:19 (eighteen years ago)
she seems like one of those ppl who has read way too much chick lit and thinks that she could do some of that writing, by creating a character and write a sort of autobiography that could be perceived as somehow controversial...
― Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:26 (eighteen years ago)
I'd buy it.
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:28 (eighteen years ago)
I'd buyhit it
eew actually I'd buy/hit it
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:29 (eighteen years ago)
mark g OTM
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:29 (eighteen years ago)
She doesn't even touch hubby - now that's fucked up, whatever the status of her libido.
― Mark C, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:35 (eighteen years ago)
He also, she insists, has no idea that she has written a book or posed for these pictures. She seems confident of him not finding out as he doesn't exist.
― onimo, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:45 (eighteen years ago)
a++ trolling dacre.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:46 (eighteen years ago)
reads like just another guardian article to me...
― blueski, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:48 (eighteen years ago)
Carrie (From other rooom) : tap tap tap tap tap tap)
Hal: What are you doing in there?
Carrie : Masturbating. (tap tap tap tap tap tap)
― Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:49 (eighteen years ago)
ok so she sounds a wee bit self-centered but long term monogamy prob IS the death of exciting sex if that's what yr after.
― or something, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:49 (eighteen years ago)
If this woman is for real, I hope fate conspires to make her stumble and fall under a bus on day 2 of her sexual odyssey. (After striking out on day 1.)
xpost -- you know, I haven't really found that to be the case.
― Rock Hardy, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:51 (eighteen years ago)
well yeah, i agree. slightly different subtext here: the guardian one would be more lol why doesn't she just leave her mens; this one is kind of admiring that she'll stick with him for the kids.
this 'i blame chick lit' shit is as old as madame bovary.
xpost
long term monogamy prob IS the death of exciting sex
different meanings of 'exciting' come into play here, maybe, but then she's not even making an effort to test this theory so pffffft.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:53 (eighteen years ago)
i agree with stevem, i mean.
Carrie Jones hasn't had sex with her husband Hal, a supercomputer, for the past four years.
― blueski, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:54 (eighteen years ago)
i think this is Torchwoord viral
speaking as a mother I have nothing but admiration for her. and hope she has lots of exciting sex in ten years time when she is knocking on the door of 60 which is obviously the age men find women most attractive.
― Upt0eleven, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:56 (eighteen years ago)
that should go on the "Comments" link.
Is there one? (checks)
Oh, there's a picture! It's Julie Birchill!
― Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2008 12:59 (eighteen years ago)
i bet she and her husband don't even superpoke each other on facebook
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:04 (eighteen years ago)
xpost don't out her!!! she used an assumed name for her children's sake!
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:05 (eighteen years ago)
^^^exactly
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:06 (eighteen years ago)
how many words do you think needs to be changed for this to become an onion article?
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:11 (eighteen years ago)
Oh dear, the article is rather stereotypically Dail Mail, isn't it.
― Roffle Roffle, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:37 (eighteen years ago)
you would prefer a stronger overtone of 'wow what a repressed bitch'?
― blueski, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)
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no! i'd hate the grauniad version in a whole different way. her being a north london publishing exec, you'd have expected her to go guardian really.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:43 (eighteen years ago)
I would prefer a much weaker overtone of 'oh noes the awful life of the upper middle class person in the media'. But it's the Daily Mail, innit. (x-post admittedly that could be The Guardian too)
― Roffle Roffle, Friday, 25 January 2008 13:47 (eighteen years ago)
seriously. if "exciting" means kinda bad, fumbling sex with people you barely know... then i'm happily bored. bored <i>near to death</i>.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 25 January 2008 14:20 (eighteen years ago)
Tabloid technically refers to the size of paper on which it is printed!
― Abbott, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
it's not a red-top then.
all papers except the torygraph are tabloids now.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
lol @ eppy
I'm willing to bet (if this article isn't complete horse-shittery) hubbie is either gay, cheating, or gay & cheating, but otherwise prob equally repulsed by the sour, walking pity-party with whom he's had the misfortune of cohabitating and reproducing
― will, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
how fortunate for the children that they get to soak in this dynamic up close
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:57 (eighteen years ago)
Isn't Berliner different to tabloid? xxpost
― emil.y, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:57 (eighteen years ago)
hairsplitting
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)
berliner = retarded
― DG, Friday, 25 January 2008 16:59 (eighteen years ago)
The Mail on Sunday does this sort of almost-self-parodic shit in excelsis with Liz Jones' self-obsessed bleatings - her ramblings make this one sound almost sensible.
― ailsa, Friday, 25 January 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/carriejonesDM2401_468x485.jpg
― Bodrick III, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:30 (eighteen years ago)
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Well, yes, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read the piece, that and that regardless of what the husband is like, she sounds like no fun at all to be with.
The most fucked up thing about this is this person, who finds themselves not wanting sex with their partner, but wanting sex with other people, and planning to split as soon as the kids have grown up, well, that's probably not all that uncommon is it, but to WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT?!?!?!? Wow, what a way toi deal with the issue, eh?
― Pashmina, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:41 (eighteen years ago)
Ain't nothin' goin' on but the rent.
― Bodrick III, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:50 (eighteen years ago)
For the children's sake, I have decided to make sure that their first and most important model for long-term relationships is fucked beyond fucked. Because I love these kids more than anything.
― kenan, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
That woman looks so English. And dumpy.
― Laurel, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:17 (eighteen years ago)
She looks like she is wearing a wig.
― Abbott, Friday, 25 January 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)
http://datacore.sciflicks.com/total_recall/images/total_recall_large_03.jpg
― Eppy, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
and a corset
― remy bean, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
i bet shehe stopped giving head the day she he got a ring on her finger.
― stevienixed, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:28 (eighteen years ago)
BTW that article is rofflicious.
― stevienixed, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
although i personally think that two happy divorced parents are better than two miserable still-married parents, i understand ppl that feel it's of the utmost importance to stay together 'for the kids'. but if that's the case, if it's that important, put some bloody effort in!
i mean, if this woman plans on sticking around for another 10yrs with her husband, how bout trying some stuff? how bout buying some toys, having a talk with hubby, at least trying to make the next 10yrs as pleasant for both of them as possible.
― Rubyredd, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:51 (eighteen years ago)
It was always: 'Go and work at your marriage.' But I didn't want to work on mine. I wanted someone to say: 'Actually, perhaps nothing will make you want to sleep with your husband again,' which is how I feel.
Oooooooookay.
― Laurel, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:54 (eighteen years ago)
I know people hate her but Caitlin Flanagan is OTM on this topic, basically just "Yes of course, no one ALWAYS feels like it, and I know you're tired and distracted but why not just say yes to sex and see where it goes? You could be pleasantly surprised." Which is NOT the same as "lie back and think of England" or any such nonsense but come on sometimes you ARE tired and preoccupied but this is life/marriage/making it work.
― Laurel, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
does that lady look very english? i'm bad at telling
― ken c, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
I kind of agreed with that as well, but over at feministing they were talking about that article as if she were advocating marital rape. xp
― Nicole, Friday, 25 January 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
I think she gets a bad rap, at least from her book (I don't keep up with periodicals/internet columns). I see what's controversial about some of her shit but on the whole I think some is v sensible.
― Laurel, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:01 (eighteen years ago)
my parents are like this. it sucks. all i've wanted for christmas since i was like ten was for them to get divorced, but how do you tell them that?
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― elan, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:07 (eighteen years ago)
i want to never be married because of it.
― elan, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:08 (eighteen years ago)
but i think that this story is either fake, or this woman has much more serious psychological issues than "ew boring hal".
― elan, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:09 (eighteen years ago)
but really, it's easy to fake your way through dinner, but you can't fake fifteen years of a loving relationship to your children. it's pathetic and it sets a myriad bad examples.
― elan, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:14 (eighteen years ago)
bitch needs a talking to from wilson pickett.
If you don't like it Don't knock it Somebody else might want to rock it. If you don't need it Don't waste it Somebody else might want to taste it.
― kenan, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:15 (eighteen years ago)
I wonder how many people who stay together "for the children" are really staying together "for the house," "for the joint checking account," "for the sense of security no matter how miserable we make each other," "for the fact that I'm afraid to live alone," etc. Because the children will fucking live. They can hang with their friends and swap parental divorce stories. Good times.
― kenan, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:17 (eighteen years ago)
no one ALWAYS feels like it
lies
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
This woman should obviously just get a divorce and split custody 50/50. In her child-free half of the time, she can pursue her sexual odyssey or whatever.
I do not, however, look forward to her complaining about the incompetence of her future sex partners, or the STDs they will give her.
(I'm kind of being sarcastic there, but it does seem like she is not even willing to consider making an effort with her husband. Why would she make an effort with someone else?)
― Sara R-C, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:39 (eighteen years ago)
even couples that have great sex for years and even into marriage often hit these dry spells. (4 years tho?!!?) just saying from personal experience and that of some pals.
kids are exhausting. and in a smaller house, they're always close enough to ruin the mood.
she seems obsessed with sex tho... having a 10 year plan of leaving your husband solely for better humping? jeez, get a divorce already. it's not monogamy... it's nullogamy. you're dooming your children to the same kind of settled nest syndrome. it's sounds like their emotional life is 12 feet apart as well. yet again, not a wonderful example for the kids.
she must think her husband is a total chump too. that's depressing. m.
― msp, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
HAL: "I'm sorry Carrie, I'm afraid I can't sign that divorce paper."
(Odyssey and hal ? oh wait, not their real names, probably. Still, did they pick HAL because of the Space Odyssey connection?)
― StanM, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:18 (eighteen years ago)
I like how her assumed name is a combination of the main character from Sex and the City and the main character from Bridget Jones. Kinda shows what she's shooting for.
― jessie monster, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:38 (eighteen years ago)
surely no one in the uk is called hal?
― emsk, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
Kinda shows what she's shooting for.
Now that her husband stopped shooting, she's gotta?
― stevienixed, Saturday, 26 January 2008 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.cv81pl.freeserve.co.uk/castles/henry5.jpg
― Eppy, Saturday, 26 January 2008 21:10 (eighteen years ago)
I would like very much to write "sexual odyssey" on this thread in pink, cursive letters.
― Abbott, Saturday, 26 January 2008 23:01 (eighteen years ago)
It's a zesty little phrase!
lol at hal too. surely it's kind of obvious that long termm monogamy is nice for rearing children and gives you a partner in old age but if you want kinky or even just exciting sex it ain't gonna happen.
― or something, Saturday, 26 January 2008 23:08 (eighteen years ago)
for abbottron (this is the closest i could get):
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― Rubyredd, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:18 (eighteen years ago)
FUCK. it didn't work
not sure what happened to the 'ual odyssey' part
― Rubyredd, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:19 (eighteen years ago)
you got the important part
― mookieproof, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:21 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22sexual+odyssey%22&btnG=Google+Search
― get bent, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:42 (eighteen years ago)
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― mookieproof, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:43 (eighteen years ago)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/odyssey.jpg
― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:52 (eighteen years ago)
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― Kerm, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:59 (eighteen years ago)
it's of the utmost importance to stay together 'for the kids'
o lordy no. as an ex kid i would glady spend the rest of my days hunting down people who think this and throttling them.
― darraghmac, Sunday, 27 January 2008 01:08 (eighteen years ago)