who is your faviourite western philosopher from this list?

i'd go with the last one (schop.)

no althusser, no etc

i voted for marx

don't vote for the celebrity!

No Jesus??!?!?!

From my cliffnotes style knowledge of these fellas: Satre.

I like the way he explored how life is contingent and meaningless, (something I've suspected since I was a kid) and how you have to find your own meaning. Well dressed, too.

PS: I am not a goth.

don't vote for the celebrity!

-- Zeno, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:39 AM

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don't put descartes before the horse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i like Schopenhauer, he was sort of a modern combination between plato and Buddha, only western.
Wittgenstein was good too,a true rebel

All these guys influenced me in various ways of course, but for me Marx represents the most important move towards a critical philosophy. Of course I love Hume's hipster dbag sense of humor and Nietzsche's sense of melodrama (amor fati was a big influence on me for a while) to say nothing of Sartre's wry bitterness yada yada

wanna vote for most of em

Since when is Jesus a western philospher????????

For some reason my various phil courses tended to gloss over Schopenhauer. Anything you'd recommend, Zeno?

existentialism is so passe man...

lol unlike, say, Schopenhauer.

"The World as Will and Representation" of course.
i cant say i've read the whole huge thing myself, but i've been reading parts, and a lot of summaries of his work.
Thomas Bernhard was the genius who brought me to investigate on him

and since i know you are into eastern philosophy, you will might find some insights on his work

so i've heard, thanks.

btw, the order of the list is the same as the results were from the poll i've copied it.
(Nietsche won, Schopenhauer was last).

Since when is Jesus a western philospher????????

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lol u didn't get my joke moran

funny i find myself going "ok Schopenhauer but no badiou?" before i remember that "hey douchebag, not everybody studied the same guys you did."

including all western philosophers would make it a huge list, this one including, i guess, the most popular one's

spinoza was just so wildly mind-blowing when i finally understood like %5 of his thought. but the other 95% was way over my head (kind of like a lot these guys, and this is coming from someone who has a philosophy degree).

hume is a blast to read (HOOS - nice one with the "hipster d-bag sense of humor), kant is such a serious heavyweight that i was also kind of blown away when reading him, same goes for plato. it's of course kind of redundant to say these guys are heavyweights.

hegel was such a mindfuck, and it made it even worse that i had to present on him during my first phil. class freshman year.

okay i'm seriously running down the list of most of these guys thinking about how much they blew my mind. sorry i can't offer any more developed thought.

though locke is boring, boring asshole. i hated reading him.

Nietzche

the philosophy I most... agree with, or try to adhere to, is Kierkegaard but he is a drag to read. Nietzche is a blast.

Nietzche's writing is pure and relatively easy,sometimes reminding me of Kafka. ad that to the fact that he is an existentialist pioneer of sort, and it's eady to see why he is/was popular.
but i agree, most philosophy writing is a headache.
i think it's better to read prose that is influenced directly from a specific philospher, or even those short essays summaries book about them.
life's too short

(HOOS - nice one with the "hipster d-bag sense of humor)

that's kinda how i always pictured him: mid-20s kid completely demolishing the understood paradigm and (for the most part) making it look easy, peppering in sarcasm and disdain all the way through.

essentially telling all his philosophy teachers "i am so much smarter than you AND you're wrong about everything" is a bold as fuck

kierkegaard. none of these guys are a blast to read except maybe voltaire. fuck nietzsche, I'm nearly thirty. shit, I should have voted voltaire.

Nietzche is hardly the lol college choice here! Probably the keenest of the bunch really.

btw wanko still luv username

nietzsche is TOTALLY the lol college choice and i say that as a dude writing his thesis about nietzsche

im going with kierkegaard

Nietzsche isn't the lol college choice, though? I'd always assumed his fan base was made up of authoritarian Romantics who hadn't actually read him.

lol xp

but yeah Candide is the funnest read of anything by anyone here.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost thx HOOS and u too RD

the philosophy I most... agree with, or try to adhere to, is Kierkegaard but he is a drag to read

Just the opposite for me: I think he's a great writer whose philosophy was full of shit.

and of course "fan base" =/= "fans of" xp to self

where's that knuck if you buck thread

best kierkegaard quote (ive pasted this on a lot of threads but i love it so who cares)

One sticks one’s finger into the soil to tell by the smell in what land one is: I stick my finger in existence — it smells of nothing. Where am I? Who am I? How came I here? What is this thing called the world? What does this world mean? Who is it that has lured me into the world? Why was I not consulted, why not made acquainted with its manners and customs instead of throwing me into the ranks, as if I had been bought by a kidnapper, a dealer in souls? How did I obtain an interest in this big enterprise they call reality? Why should I have an interest in it? Is it not a voluntary concern? And if I am to be compelled to take part in it, where is the director? I should like to make a remark to him. Is there no director? Whither shall I turn with my complaint?

goddam you motherfuckers don't fault Nietzche for being 'Nietzche' his shit is TIGHT. Sartre is the lol college choice obv.

"Knuckito, ergo buck" (Latin: "I knuck, therefore I buck") is a philosophical statement which occurs in René Descartes' Discourse on Method (1637). It became a foundational element of Western philosophy. It is colloquially referred to as "the knuckito."

Although the idea expressed in "knuckito ergo buck" is widely attributed to Descartes, many predecessors offer similar arguments—particularly St. Augustine of Hippo in De Civitate Dei (books XI, 26), who also anticipates modern refutations of the concept. (See Principles of Philosophy, §7: "Ac proinde haec cognitio, ego knuckito, ergo buck, est omnium prima et certissima etc.").

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver on Wednesday, 28 March 2007 02:35 (1 hour ago)

Knuck and Buck (German: Nachgeben und Bocken, 1927) is German philosopher Martin Heidegger's most important work. Although the work was compiled hastily from his lecture notes, and Heidegger did not complete the project outlined in the introduction, the book has profoundly influenced 20th-century philosophy, particularly existentialism, hermeneutics, and deconstruction. It is widely considered the most influential 20th century work of Continental philosophy.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver on Wednesday, 28 March 2007 02:38 (1 hour ago)

sartre is the lol high school choice

eighteen year old boys love Nietzsche. he writes all pretty, i guess.

I'm torn btwn Nietzsche (miserable guy, but great questioner); Socrates (seemed like happy-enough guy, but great questioner); and Kierkegaard (seemingly miserable guy, but great questioner; it'sa shame about what I see as being his eventual cop-out to however unorthodox a brand of Christianity)

I'm more partial to non-Western schools of philosophy. It seems like historically there have been happier, lighter-minded dudes going on over there.

yah i wanna start a who is yr fave eastern philosopher poll but those dudes are not nearly as well known i think

spinoza

xp i'd vote nagarjuna but he's the only one i know of!

That Heidegger, he was a boozy beggar.

"Knuckito, ergo buck" (Latin: "I knuck, therefore I buck")

before you people go @ me for this, can we clarify that i am aware that, strictly speaking, this should be "Buckito, ergo knuck"?

"but yeah Candide is the funnest read of anything by anyone here."

it is great and funny, and although his most popular book, voltaire didnt think it was significant, and he wrote lots of heavy (suppose to be) important stuff beside that (not that i read anything escept "candide", just a fact))

"you people" being an amicable term for you awesome bros that post in the few philosophy threads on ilx

Camus can't do, apparently

Who is the ILX Socrates?

-- wanko ergo sum

She used to be Aja.

Spinoza and Kant!? That was unexpected. I wonder if ILX favourite E.M. Cioran would've garnered any votes, had his name been on the list?

ilx socrates surely nabisco

Wait, no. I mean, big hearts to Nabisco, but I don't think his M.O. is asking a bunch of questions and claiming to not have any opinions or knowledge on the subject.

Man, i guess Descartes' habit of vivisecting dogs has really hurt him in the hearts of the people.

sø whø else vøted før søren?

me!

er, møi

also, socrates was an ug-bug, and nabisco is cuet

kant was my second choice. even though i hated him while i read him, i slowly came to the painful realization as i read more philosophy that he was brilliant, but was just a terrible terrible writer.

Kant's brilliant, but not a lot of fun. I can see why brilliant would be enough to vote someone your favorite philosopher, but you can have brilliant AND fun too if you go with Plato.

lol at campaigning for philosophers

gonna read me some more Wittgenstein.

poor Descartes and Socrates. The godfathers of philosophy modern and ancient, and what do they have to show for it? NUTHIN. Well at least Spinoza pulled off the shocker, after centuries of oppression!

they are like 50's rock acts - they invented the thing, and we respect them for that, but the one's who were created later,took the formula and made it much more intersting to listen to.

You mean Socrates = Elvis, Kierkegaard = Radiohead?

Who Put The Brain (In The Vat, Vat, Vat)

Kierkegaard = Carl Perkins

i thought more of chuck berry : : the stones, but yeah, it's the same thing..

Oh I dunno, it's always hard to say with Socrates, since we only have second-hand reports, but I suspect he was pretty great. I probably would have put him far higher on the list. But it feels like cheating.

Descartes, on the other hand, should have stuck to graph paper.

Who was that man
I think therefore I am
And started the mind-body
Duality

Spinoza = first punk rocka

Decartes hella did not start the mind-body duality.

Maybe not, but he had the hit on it.

Those hellas fellas were old hat at the time.

http://www.sohoblues.com/RockandRollRevue/previewpages/preview22.jpg
Philosophy!
Philosophy!

Kierkegaard is an emo God-botherer. If he was alive today he'd been in Pedro the Lion or something.

lol quite plausible

nah dude kierkegaard was so emo he went around the bend and basically became a hardman.

sort of like rivers cuomo, i guess

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socrates, junior
It's a hemlock chain in LA.

spinoza where 2 start plz

nah dude kierkegaard was so emo he went around the bend and basically became a hardman.

-- max, Thursday, February 7, 2008 3:41 AM

this actually sounds more like nietzsche to me

hurting i like ethics

Yay! Go Spinoza!

http://aya.shii.org/2011/09/17/european-philosophers-become-magical-anime-girls/

[Diogenes] criticized Plato, disputed his interpretation of Socrates, and sabotaged his lectures, sometimes distracting listeners by bringing food and eating during the discussions.

guy seems like a right pain in the ass, tbh

I agree plato was a dick, should have followed his leader

Yay! Go Spinoza!

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I’m ok with the top 2 but deleuze is more fun than any of these guys except maybe fred on occasion

king shit https://t.co/shsupmyd2C pic.twitter.com/FRpurAQSEL

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Cool top pick. Disappointing to see a nerd like Hume that high. Kierkegaard should have got Hume and Sartre’s votes.

It would’ve been Plato or Russell for me.

Russell also a nerdy dorky nerd sorry

Would have ummed and ahhed over kierkegaard or heidegger. Religion, aesthetics, hermeneutics and ontology. What more is there to think about?

Sorry that was rude Raymond

Kant turned the big 3-0-0 last week.

Hume for permanently divorcing facts & values, a still woefully underappreciated discovery.

Kant, Wittgenstein, and Schop are my faves. Aristotle being that low down is craziness.

If I was gonna have a pop at Hume, nerdy is not the first word I'd think of