rolling 2008 list thread for shit to keep mccain from becoming president

McCain, Rodham, big diff.

Dems should use "100 years in Iraq" tho, since they'll never point out he incinerated kids in a criminal war.

first post out the gate = quality bait

i'm not going to spend any time with you on this morbius, but remember how frank rich and every "smart" person rushed to tell the world + dog in 2000 that bush and gore were two peas in a pod? if you're happy with where that got us, vote nader

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he called chelsea clinton a dog when she was like 12, mean old bastardo

xp: Alterman impressions are the thing this morning! Lose the 2000 bullshit.

or just lose, period

i hope you can explain your nader vote to all those families who remain uninsured for the next eight years

Dimension 5ive: link??

Best way to keep McCain out of the White House=get Obama nominated. He'll massacre Hillary.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064717.php

McCain presents health care plan
His plan, described by the Arizona senator in a speech delivered in Des Moines, Iowa, yesterday, does not endeavor to provide insurance to all of the approximately 47 million Americans who are uninsured.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

Tracer, you shameless parrot, the Supreme Court and Gore alone beat Gore, empirically. See this for evidence:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0492499

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

ok i kinda laughed at this

http://www.campusprogress.org/features/232/i-used-to-heart-john-mccain
In a rating system from an entirely different group, NARAL Pro-Choice America, McCain got a 0% pro-choice score. One could expect this from a true red conservative, but surely not from “the maverick.” Yet, indeed, he is outspokenly against a woman’s right to choose. In 1999, a campaign spokesman stated that McCain “has a 17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president.”

He looks like the generic General from any number of Hollywood military films. (probably a 3 star)

his dad was pals with suharto

Bush and McCain's Social Security road show
He also had what he called a "little straight talk" for AARP, the powerful lobby for older citizens that opposes Bush's plan to allow younger workers to divert a portion of their Social Security payroll taxes into personal accounts that could be invested in the stock market in trade for reduced guaranteed benefits. [..] "My dear friends at ... AARP, if you don't like our solutions, give us one," McCain said. "Sit down and join us in this debate. Don't block it."

http://www.basehead.org/files/shots/1-mccain_bush_hug.jpg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15330717/
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator McCain, how do you feel about President Bush‘s use of signing statements to reinterpret and ignore provisions of laws passed by Congress?
MCCAIN: As a member of the legislature, I don‘t like it a damn bit.
(APPLAUSE)
MCCAIN: If the signing statements mean that—and they‘ve been used in the past by other presidents, but not nearly as extensively as this president—that, well, you just object to certain provisions, or you don‘t think some of it is constitutional, that‘s fine. But if you say you‘re not going to abide by those laws, then that‘s a serious erosion of the separation of powers, and it simply cannot be that way. That is in violation of the Constitution of the United States.

(The GOP will love this, right?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

Tracer, great idea for a thread, but waaaay too early.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192007/news/nationalnews/raising_mccain_nationalnews_charles_hurt.htm
RAISING MCCAIN CUSSES GOP COMRADE IN SENATE TIRADE</a>
Presidential hopeful John McCain - who has been dogged for years by questions about his volcanic temper - erupted in an angry, profanity-laced tirade at a fellow Republican senator, sources told The Post yesterday.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/118937.html

And if there’s one thing reporters love more than access, it’s politicians who buck the orthodoxy of their own party, especially when the party is Republican. McCain made some lifelong media allies when he called Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson “agents of intolerance” in 2000 and when he spoke out against ethanol subsidies despite the strategic importance of the Iowa caucuses. Throw in his war hero status, which plays well in the eyes of a distinctly nonmartial profession, and you’ve got the most favorable press notices of any U.S. senator.

Until now. Besides the damage done by his sudden turn to social conservatism, McCain’s stubborn and distinctly glum support of Bush’s widely despised troop surge in Iraq has brought into sharp focus the candidate’s concepts of when and how Washington should use the strongest military ever assembled, and whether the president should recognize any constraints from the co-equal branches of government. On these questions, the most militaristic presidential candidate since Ulysses S. Grant has provided a clear answer: If you think George W. Bush had an itchy trigger finger, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

http://obama.senate.gov/letter/060206-sen_obama_and_sen_mccain_exchange_letters_on_ethics_reform/
Dear Senator Obama:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership's preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I'm embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won't make the same mistake again.
[..]
As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party's effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn't always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

Forget the details of his record. If McCain were to get the Republican nomination, there would be a significant bloc of anti-immigration conservatives who would be looking for a third party candidate to represent their views. Maybe a revival of the Know Nothings?

There will be a lot of pissed off anti-imigration conservatives, but don't link to a freeper thread to prove anything about the outcome of a general election.

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Fluffy, you're right that Freeper lunatics have near-zero efficacy, but considering the factionalism in the GOP, the sense among many grass-roots Republicans that this election cycle will be a complete bust, and the total inflexibility of the "populist" anti-immigration cohort, it's not too hard to imagine significant support for a nativist third party.

I think the complete lack of perspective from a lot of the anti-immigration crowd, who really seem to believe that they represent a majority opinion, combined with their love of authority/authoritarians, has kept this possibility hidden away, but if McCain wraps this thing up next week and doesn't immediately start running away from his earlier position, I'll put money on the emergence of an anti-immigrant third party candidacy.

funny how the freepers seemed like the most powerful people in the universe but that was only realy 02 and 04

really

if only dee the lurker still posted

I'll put money on the emergence of an anti-immigrant third party candidacy

this is a bit much. those folks will probably just stay home.

"those folks will probably just stay home."

All they ever do is yell about politics. No way will they not vote.

The economy supplanted immigration in Florida as most important to Republican voters, but not in California, and with Giuliani out, McCain is the only remaining target for the anti-immigration cohort.

Maybe McCain will make some sympathetic noises to them, but he's such an ornery fucker I doubt it.

if he's his party's nominee mccain will say the moon is made of green cheese if the numbers work out, just like anyone else would

Lou Dobbs!

"the most militaristic presidential candidate since Ulysses S. Grant"?

mccain will say the moon is made of green cheese

"My friends, here's the news: it's all gouda up there, it's all gouda in our economy, and it's all gouda in Iraq. It's all gouda in Iraq. It's all gouda in Iraq."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL

Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday for his use of a racial slur to condemn the North Vietnamese prison guards who tortured and held him captive during the war.

"I hate the gooks," McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. "I will hate them as long as I live."

reminds me of the chick from real world san diego who said it was okay for her to use a certain racial slur because she was raped by a black man

holy christ

Christ indeed - how has this not been widely reported?

It was! I remember that back when it happened.

RE the whole anti-immigration thing: McCain's lack of appeal to certain types of conservative voters may result in a somewhat depressed turnout on election day, and that will help make a difference in a close election, but I can guarantee that the vast majority of Republican voters will NOT stay home just because they don't like McCain.

That gook thing's old news

its an old story but it's also the most read most emailed on the sf gate site thanks to links from drudge & digg

That gook thing's old news

Yeah, but that was before George Allen had his "macaca" moment. I think the game's changed now.

Racism might be disallowed, but Americans are not squeamish about bad words for furriners, especially from someone who spent years being tortured by them. It's going nowhere.

It may not turn into a media firestorm (esp. considering the slack they cut him) but it's bound to give a few potential voters pause - esp, when you consider his notorious temper and hawkishness in matters of foreign policy. Maybe it's true that the only "gooks" who he'll hate as long as he lives are his former captors, and there's not a shred of racial animosity in him, but is this the guy we'd want to have handling a potential crisis with North Korea?

http://images.townnews.com/casperstartribune.net/content/articles/2008/03/24/news/wyoming/03fdbca1e01662ea87257415002692d4.jpg

^^^^ that is actually WY, and I don't know if the wolf is even dead, but shooting wolves from helicopters makes me angry >:(

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Perhaps no episode burnished Mr. McCain’s image as a reformer more than his stewardship three years ago of the Congressional investigation into Jack Abramoff, the disgraced Republican Indian gambling lobbyist who became a national symbol of the pay-to-play culture in Washington. The senator’s leadership during the scandal set the stage for the most sweeping overhaul of lobbying laws since Watergate.

“I’ve fought lobbyists who stole from Indian tribes,” the senator said in his speech accepting the Republican presidential nomination this month.

But interviews and records show that lobbyists and political operatives in Mr. McCain’s inner circle played a behind-the-scenes role in bringing Mr. Abramoff’s misdeeds to Mr. McCain’s attention — and then cashed in on the resulting investigation. The senator’s longtime chief political strategist, for example, was paid $100,000 over four months as a consultant to one tribe caught up in the inquiry, records show.

Mr. McCain’s campaign said the senator acted solely to protect American Indians, even though the inquiry posed “grave risk to his political interests.”

As public opposition to tribal casinos has grown in recent years, Mr. McCain has distanced himself from Indian gambling, Congressional and American Indian officials said.

But he has rarely wavered in his loyalty to Las Vegas, where he counts casino executives among his close friends and most prolific fund-raisers. “Beyond just his support for gaming, Nevada supports John McCain because he’s one of us, a Westerner at heart,” said Sig Rogich, a Nevada Republican kingmaker who raised nearly $2 million for Mr. McCain at an event at his home in June.

Only six members of Congress have received more money from the gambling industry than Mr. McCain, and five hail from the casino hubs of Nevada and New Jersey, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics dating back to 1989. In the presidential race, Senator Barack Obama has also received money from the industry; Mr. McCain has raised almost twice as much.

In May 2007, as Mr. McCain’s presidential bid was floundering, he spent a weekend at the MGM Grand on the Las Vegas strip. A fund-raiser hosted by J. Terrence Lanni, the casino’s top executive and a longtime friend of the senator, raised $400,000 for his campaign. Afterward, Mr. McCain attended a boxing match and hit the craps tables.

For much of his adult life, Mr. McCain has gambled as often as once a month, friends and associates said, traveling to Las Vegas for weekend betting marathons. Former senior campaign officials said they worried about Mr. McCain’s patronage of casinos, given the power he wields over the industry. The officials, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on condition of anonymity.

“We were always concerned about appearances,” one former official said. “If you go around saying that appearances matter, then they matter.”

The former official said he would tell Mr. McCain: “Do we really have to go to a casino? I don’t think it’s a good idea. The base doesn’t like it. It doesn’t look good. And good things don’t happen in casinos at midnight.”

“You worry too much,” Mr. McCain would respond, the official said.

Yeah so not gonna give McCain shit over liking casinos because those things are kind of awesome.

I'm almost beginning to think folks should lay off Palin, because I have a gut feeling that she'll just drop out and he'll replace her if things keep going like this.

after the debate?

replacing her before the debate would be some funny shit

nah, he's stuck now

gonna milk the elitist disdain

leave sarah alone

I guess it's a sign of my low standards for pity that I can't help feeling a little sorry for her. She's so in over her head. She probably has the sufficient level of competence to be a mediocre governor of Alaska and should have just stayed where she was.

she was so nasty about Obama in her acceptance speech; don't feel bad for her!

I know! But I can't help it when I watch her drown in interview after interview.

I keep thinking that when McCain asked, she should have just said "no". But that would have demonstrated good judgement.

The Sept 2nd Colbert Report has a short segment on McCain's reptilian traits that seeped through during the debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid

I think we could mount good evidence of his true nature:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Dinosauroid4.jpg/180px-Dinosauroid4.jpg

I don't feel sorry for her and won't leave her alone until she leaves the country alone.

http://i35.tinypic.com/9fy5qv.jpg

what is that in his hands?

she can fuck right off, no pity

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081013/goldberg

I don't feel sorry for her and won't leave her alone until she leaves the country alone.

Ths stuff coming out of Alaska's Troopergate investigation is slowly painting her as very wealthy (by Wasilla standards), ruthless, power-hungry and capable of a petty malice which reminds me of none other than Dick Cheney.

"Samuel Augustus Maverick (July 23, 1803–September 2, 1870) was a Texas lawyer, politician, and land baron. From his name comes the term "maverick", first cited in 1867, which means independent minded. Maverick was considered independent minded by his fellow ranchers because he refused to brand his cattle. In fact, Maverick's failure to brand his cattle had little to do with independent mindedness, but reflected his lack of interest in ranching."

The Sept 2nd Colbert Report has a short segment on McCain's reptilian traits that seeped through during the debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid

I think we could mount good evidence of his true nature:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Dinosauroid4.jpg/180px-Dinosauroid4.jpg

― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:53 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

Not really sure what you're saying -- did you put the right date?

there's lots of money in Alaska. her husband worked for an oil company for 20 years, and she owns three houses.

on the gabbneb-said-it-first tip, Fareed Zakaria yesterday called her ready to be the President of Saudi Arabia, but not America.

that's the funniest thing i've read in a long time

xps

http://www.topgunmccain.com/the-original-maverick.htm

Someone on NPR this morning pointed out that the McCain strategy of keeping Palin away from easy short appearances and saving her for long interviews she can't handle is really the opposite of what you'd think they'd want to do.

Ted Stevens trial: Oct 10th.

A whole 11 days away.

Maverick's stated reason for not branding his cattle was that he didn't want to inflict pain on them. Other ranchers however, suspected that his true motivation was that it allowed him to collect any unbranded cattle and claim them as his own.

loooool

http://www.topgunmccain.com/images/tap.jpg

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/2

"McCain spent his formative years among the Washington elite. His father — himself deep in the throes of a daddy complex — had secured a political post as the Navy's chief liaison to the Senate, a job his son would later hold, and the McCain home on Southeast 1st Street was a high-powered pit stop in the Washington cocktail circuit. Growing up, McCain attended Episcopal High School, an all-white, all-boys boarding school across the Potomac in Virginia, where tuition today tops $40,000 a year. There, McCain behaved with all the petulance his privilege allowed, earning the nicknames 'Punk' and 'McNasty.' Even his friends seemed to dislike him, with one recalling him as 'a mean little fucker.'
McCain was not only a lousy student, he had his father's taste for drink and a darkly misogynistic streak. The summer after his sophomore year, cruising with a friend near Arlington, McCain tried to pick up a pair of young women. When they laughed at him, he cursed them so vilely that he was hauled into court on a profanity charge

that article goes hard

yeah the rs piece is epic intense. these things have all been rolling around quietly for years; it's nice to see reporters in general finally stop knob-slobbering the dude and put all this shit down in one place. he'd be a tragic figure, really, if he wasn't, like, actively threatening to ruin all of our lives by tempting racists to vote for him.

'as a pilot, he crashed three planes' is a good meme

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Begala_McCain_sat_on_board_of_1005.html

only NOW do the Bamites bring up Keating. So Demlike.

remind me never to make you my campaign manager

only NOW is the public really paying attention

Well, yeah, the thing with Team O is that they know record attacks and questioning of trust ought to be tied to the major issues faced by ordinary people, and they always respond to the personal with the political. It seems to be winning. Also the way they seem to get pranged on their own opposition criticism for various hypocrisies does not hurt. It seems to no longer be 'OK if you are a Republican',

only NOW is the public really paying attention

I agree. With the economy in the tank, THIS is the time to use this ammo.

They also waited until McCain got nasty making the Keating association seem less a gratuitous thing than a warning shot.

actually, since the media is pairing it with the Ayers stuff, it's bound to be perceived as gratuitous by the Great Unwashed.

Their strategy for this crap was evident, seeing as they did say 'whenever they lie about us, we will tell the truth about them' and they make sure the truth fits to something the ad-hom is trying to deflect.

McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair

The dates on the resignation letters in 1984 and May 1986 coincided with McCain election campaigns and increasingly critical public scrutiny of the World Anti-Communist League, the umbrella group Singlaub chaired.

In 1983 and 1984 for example, columnist Jack Anderson linked the league's Latin American affiliate to death squad political assassinations.

The Latin American affiliate was kicked out of the league. At the time, Singlaub told the columnist the Latin American affiliate had "knowingly promoted pro-Nazi groups" and was "virulently anti-Semitic."

^^^attention florida kvetches

man o man that RS story is wild shit

Was it Harpers or the New Yorker that did a big article on the WACL/lobbyist connections recently? Something about entrepeneurial conservative politics.

The writer met up with one of the big GOP strategists at a swingers' club in Miami, that's pretty much all I remember.

actually, since the media is pairing it with the Ayers stuff, it's bound to be perceived as gratuitous by the Great Unwashed.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 11:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

RONG

Milo, that was The New Yorker this summer.

1620- (ATLANTIC OCEAN) En route to the New World, McCain agreed with his fellow pilgrims that the natives would greet them as liberators.
1773- (BOSTON ... Read MoreHARBOR) Before he supported off-shore drilling, McCain had an active hand in off-shore spilling during the Boston Tea Party.
1776- (PHILADELPHIA) In the Declaration of Independence, McCain's grievances with England included the fact that King George III was 'the biggest celebrity in the world.'
1836-(TEXAS) Remember the Alamo? McCain does. It was there that McCain helped solve America's budding immigration problem.
1930-(WASHINGTON, DC) During the Great Depression, McCain had a keen knowledge of the country's economic situation. (The pic for this one shows him holding a sign that says "Four more years for Herbert Hoover.)

actually, since the media is pairing it with the Ayers stuff, it's bound to be perceived as gratuitous by the Great Unwashed.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 2:54 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is funny because i always imagine you to be the least washed poster on ilx