"Every single person on this island will die" - LOST SERIES FOUR THREAD [spoiler alert]

I am jealous of American types who will get to see this tonight, rather than tomorrow.

M1ninova at al have a torrent up, but I don't know if it's real.

doubt it. has the show leaked early before?

sorry for the tautology

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didn't you hear me Matt? EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS ISLAND WILL DIE

btw this thread should have been called "WE HAVE TO GO BACK"

of course they will all die AT SOME POINT.

MORTALITY MUCH?

where did 'X much?' start?

Oh, OK, it's definitely not real, as it's 370KB instead of 370MB. Stupid much?

It was "every single living person" btw

The dead people will not die???

also "will be killed".

The dead people will not die???

-- Alba, Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:36 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

raises important point

nikki and paolo much?

RICHARD ALPERT much?

JACOB much?

I hope they don't dispose with flashbacks altogether in this series - there's still some I'd like to find out a bit more about. Okay I mean Ben really. And Rousseau. And maybe a Mike and Walt post-island flashback.

Preposterous notion that won't happen - Claire flash-forward where we see Aaron as devil-child or whatever.

Did Mike and Wahahahaaalt really leave the island, do you think? I'm starting to think they didn't get much further than the looming frieghter.

Rumour has is that this season will be a mix of flashbacks and forwards. All for that.

Maybe they're on the freighter, maybe they'll appear in an off-island future scene (or several). The latter option would save them having to explain why Walt is suddenly four years older.

Can't fucking wait.

where did 'X much?' start?

-- blueski, Thursday, 31 January 2008 11:31 (2 hours ago) Link

I think it's the Jewish expression. Like when Moses delivered them out of Egypt, some were heard to say "Exodus much?"

"y-y' call this manna?"

let my ppl go much

god murdering egyptians much

I will probably watch this just because of the writer's strike - there's nothing else on television except horrible reality programming like "Moment of Truth". But I don't know how much I will care -- I stopped watching Lost last season after that ridiculous episode w/Jack and Bai Ling.

it got so fucking good immediately after that nadir

OTM. Srlsly catch up on the last 10 or so episodes if you do nothing else.

I'm debating whether to watch this straight away or wait a few extra weeks so i can have two or three episodes to watch in row. Let's see how strong-willed I really am.

yah i usually wait and watch like 8 or 10 at a time - but last seasons omg theyre off the island finale got me so worked up i just dont know !!!!!

How come this season was filmed so far in advance (when did the writers' strike start?).

Presumably the scripts were written much earlier than the shooting?

Yeah, but usually with these things rewrites are needed right up to the last minute.

Maybe this season will have some more free improv?

they've only filmed the first 8 yo

this is why i haven't been so psyched for this i guess. i sense initial excitement followed by massive cliffhanger disappointment unless the cliffhanger really is astonishing and does keep us chattering all Summer

but i promise that will be the extent of my buzzharshing. BRING IT ON FISHER STEVENS.

AND DANIELS OUT OF THE WIRE.

omg omg i haven't been paying attn! and this is on tonight! i am kind of overly excited abt it

"Every single person on this island will die" <--- Eventually, yes. What a fatuous thing to say.

Reading "series" in this thread title for this whole SEASON is going to bug me. Good thing it's a short season, I guess.

except he actually says "will be killed" xp

we did this already dan

READ THREADS MUCH?

NO

Every single person on this thread will die.

TEH HORRORS

I am immortal.

You're putting me on.

everyone on this thread will be zinged

That sounds like a horrible way to die.

You get zinged to death and then your estranged son will carry you through the jungle on his back.

yeah i actually thought the coffin was gonna be empty.

that would have been the worst reveal ever!

shoulda been vincent

i was really afraid they were gonna leave us hanging til next season on the coffin resident

it should have been dracula, is who it should have been

too obvious

no think about it, it explains a lot

The main reason we didn't see Eko was because they hate hate hate that actor and he'll never step foot on a Lost set again

wiki says he asked to be written off after his parents died....

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Eko was seriously one of the top three or four characters ever in this. I was gutted when they killed him.

yeah he was great but he actually got a little bit tiresome toward the end. they probably could have done great things with him eventually but they got kind of lazy with his character.

I still miss Libby!

I'm still pissed about them dropping the Libby angle, and her not even getting a flashback of her own. But since they brought her back once (the Michael flashback this year) for the first time since Season 2, maybe there's a chance we'll finally know what the hell her connection to Desmond, the Widmores and Hurley really is. I think it just got shelved (much like Michael and Walt during Season 3) and hope it'll come back, like Walt.

So unless Walt is one of the people that has to go back they're pretty much done with him now too aren't they? In retrospect Hurley's little pause after Walt's comment about his dad still being on the island is pretty heartbreaking.

I don't think they're anywhere near done with Walt.

Yeah, WTF, people! They didn't just bring Walt back for a special guest appearance. What's the point, if they're never going to use him again? By reintroducing him into the "present day" narrative, they've neatly side-stepped the problem of Malcolm David Kelley being too old to play island-era Walt. Expect to see more of him.

Didn't Walt mention that Locke went to visit him? That would indicate that he's one of the people that has to go back.

"Eko was seriously one of the top three or four characters ever in this. I was gutted when they killed him."

Agreed. Had I not been so "JESUS FUCKING HELL, SMOKIE JUST PICKED HIM UP AND PWNT HIM", I probably would've shed a tear or two.

Speaking of which, I was kinda choked up for Ben when he was turning the FDW, despite him being all "So?" about the people exploding on the Freighter. He's a nasty little bastard, I know, but I couldn't help but feel really, really sorry for him in that scene.

http://www.mysterytales40.com/scans-mystery-tales-40-comic-as-seen-on-lost-page-1-87936

This is pretty cool. Blog called mysterytales40.com is putting up scans of the pages in the comic book Alpert showed young Locke.

By reintroducing him into the "present day" narrative, they've neatly side-stepped the problem of Malcolm David Kelley being too old to play island-era Walt. Expect to see more of him.

yeah, this actually worked out to be kind of genius of them, casting an actor who was on the brink of puberty. i remember when he started looking too old for the part naysayers were all "har har har." i don't want to give too much credit to showrunners for forethought, but if they did know where they were going all along plot-wise, then casting an actor on the brink of puberty in S1 & 2, who they'd bring back fully grown when the show leapt 3 years timewise, was super smart.

Conversation:

dumbass guy I have to live with for a bit: "HA HA, LOOK, HE'S WATCHING LOST!"
me: "NO I'M NOT"
dumbass: "GOOD, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE I'D HAVE TO KILL YOU, HAHA"
me: "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN LOST?"
dumbass: "NO"

ok, move out

Yeah, this time he's crossed the line.
Today I realized he not only says "Dave" (Matthews), but he also says "Trey" (Anastasio).

will they ever explain some stuff? eg that room with techno carl in it?

I thought they were brainwashing him to stop him trying to impregnate Alex? Although what with Locke as new Leader of the Others they'll probably explain a load of shit pretty thick and fast at the start of next season.

they've pretty much hinted that they may never explain the numbers, saying that to explain some things is equivalent to saying that the Force is just a bunch of midichlorians. true enough i guess but can't help feeling that it's kind of a cop-out.

they sort of explained the numbers on the first Lost Experience web game but it seems like they're not going to put it in the show. I think it's fine to leave some of that background stuff for the obsessives only (like me)

The "Lost Experience" has revealed that the objective of the DHARMA Initiative is to alter any of the six factors of the Valenzetti Equation, revealed to have a huge impact on the date the human race will destroy itself, whether by global warming, chemical warfare, overpopulation or many other possible methods. These factors are represented as numbers in the Valenzetti Equation and are also the numbers frequently mentioned in the show: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42.

Given the dissonance between apparition messages (Charlie, backward phone voice telling Kate to go back to the island, Claire telling her not to bring Aaron back) I'm wondering now if Christian, rather than being the spokesman for Jacob, is trying to oust Jacob. When Locke heard Jacob say "Help me," I originally thought he was telling him to help set me free from Ben, and later thought that he was warning him about Widmore's attack, but now I think maybe a rival ghost (Christian) was maybe going after him--which is why he was moving the cabin around, trying to hide. Which would mean that moving the island was Christian's idea (to get rid of Ben?) rather than Jacob's.

"Don't bring him back", Keyes. L O S T rule number 8,132: whenever someone is consistently referred to via pronouns, it's probably not the person you think they're referring to.

I've also heard it floated that Kate's subconscious mind, bothered by what Jack had said, was summoning a vision of Claire to tell her she was right.

I don't think so. All of the manifestations of dead/island-bound people that the O6 have seen post-rescue are of the same nature. They're either all figments of the imagination (which would be hella lame) or they're...something else.

Well, if Claire was not talking about Aaron then she probably meant Ben or Locke. If so she needs to work on her haunting skills.

You are watching the same show that I am, right? The one where people converse with a pathological lack of specificity on the regular?

Well, usually they aren't going so far to confuse us as holding a male baby and telling someone not to bring "him" back.

"If you mean time-traveling bunnies ... then yes."

fuckin awesome, this season.

a biiiiiit too much of "the island says this; the island says that".

but next season ought to focus on sun-widmore vs ben-sayid in real-world ass-whooping shit, bourne-style.

i had lobsters on the pier where sun meets widders.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=171031&title=lost

Deleted scene with Sayid, Kate and Miles from "The Economist". this season should definitely have had more Miles.

http://www.docarzt.com/lost-news/from-docs-magic-box---more-sea.php

I kept expecting them to kill off Miles, since they showed almost zero interest in his character after giving him a kick ass introduction (not to mention the rate at which people were dying off) but since he lived I'm sure he'll have a much bigger role in the on-island storyline, now that so many people have left that locale.

I think that even though the actress who played Danielle wanted off the show, they should still do a flashback for the character--using the actress who played Alex as a young Rousseau.

Oh wow, I hadn't read that. Why would she want off? She probably only had five days worth of work per season.

she wasn't a very interesting character tbh -- her story might be. miles is quality.

There must be a reason they held off so long in giving her a flashback (which they've promised to do.) At least one of those lame SSN 3 Jack/Kate/Sawyer flashbacks could have been sacrificed.

WHOA

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Taken from this very heady, philosophical analysis of Lost: http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=3350

Has there been any explanation for the auto-rewing of the Orchid tape?

Considering it happened at the end of the last episode, no.

I meant - has there been any convincing theories about this?

I doubt it'll be any deeper than "can't let the audience know too much, let's have a little Deus Ex Rewinda and play the whole thing mid-season 5."

For a second I was thinking we were seeing time REWINDS ITSELF!

yeah, that's where i thought it was going, too.

heh Deus Ex Rewinda

And so: What was happening?