The Anonymity Experiment, a longish read about privacy in the 'real world'

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The link:
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-02/anonymity-experiment

The gist:
Reporter Catherine Price tries to live an entire week without leaving a single traceable transaction, digital footprint or whatever. She uses cash for everything, sets up proxies for internet access and a lot more.

Her not-really-shocking finding: It's really hard, make that impossibly and inconvenient, to live off the grid. Compared to the rest of the world, the U.S. (and California in particular) has significantly more privacy rights.

A lot of interesting factoids about privacy laws. Print it out and read it in the can where They can't watch you.

The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 14 February 2008 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

For people who want to play along at home:

Pay for everything in cash. Don’t use my regular cellphone, landline or e-mail account. Use an anonymizing service to mask my Web surfing. Stay away from government buildings and airports (too many surveillance cameras), and wear a hat and sunglasses to foil cameras I can’t avoid. Don’t use automatic toll lanes. Get a confetti-cut paper shredder for sensitive documents and junk mail. Sign up for the national do-not-call registry (ignoring, if you can, the irony of revealing your phone number and e-mail address to prevent people from contacting you), and opt out of prescreened credit offers. Don’t buy a plane ticket, rent a car, get married, have a baby, purchase land, start a business, go to a casino, use a supermarket loyalty card, or buy nasal decongestant (4).

The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 14 February 2008 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

It would be easy to do this for a week. Using a cell phone is my only major violation (well, and I don't go around in a tinfoil hat to evade cameras).

Real trick would be to work, get paid and cash checks without involving your real name.

contenderizer, Thursday, 14 February 2008 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

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El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

my gf and i were just arguing about this over dinner last night.

google (or your search engine of choice) + yr isp have way more info amassed on you than our various intel agencies would care to assemble. the nsa neither knows nor cares what kind of porn you like. google knows, and tries to sell you your favorite kind!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

why was there an argument?

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

Basically she thinks my position (outlined above) is "defeatist" and that people should be doing what they can to maintain their privacy.

Me = lol "privacy" in INTERNET ERA?
her = omg i do not want pictures of my (hypothetical) children on the internet it is risky

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

people should be doing what they can to maintain their privacy

i.e. exactly the sorts of things the woman in this article does

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

where are you going to get money if not from an ATM? In moments of paranoid lunacy / bank-hating ire / being unfunny, I consider buying a safe, but even then you'd be traceable by the regular emptying of the bank account. No one just hands you big wads of cash these days. :(

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

i was just at passport control at the Atlanta airport and they did not look at my passport. they asked me to stand on a spot and look at a camera. after about 10 seconds the guy asks me if i am in fact Tracer Hand. i say yes. he says, have a nice day. wtfffffffff

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:56 (two years ago)

Anybody else experience this before?

If you think about it, what's the difference between a human looking at a photo, typing a number into a computer, and then seeing everything. Not much. So I don't know why I was so skeeved out but I was

Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 April 2023 12:04 (two years ago)

Looking into the camera seems pretty standard now...
Not even checking your passport is weird though...

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 14 April 2023 12:14 (two years ago)

the difference is knowing you're in a US govt facial recognition database whose use isn't nec limited to the cameras they have in passport control

rob, Friday, 14 April 2023 13:45 (two years ago)

but yes passports figure prominently in any history of surveillance

rob, Friday, 14 April 2023 13:46 (two years ago)

Yeah the biometric passports have the photo embedded in the chip you scan at those egates, so the gate reads the data and compares it with your face on the camera. Guessing the difference is as you allude to, they have access to a biometric database at immigration entering the US? Assuming they’d have checked you if you were a foreigner, they did to us ofc. Most EU passports with the exception of Ireland’s have fingerprint data on the chip as well.

limb tins & cum (gyac), Friday, 14 April 2023 14:28 (two years ago)

I didn’t scan my passport anywhere though, that’s the thing! In the past I have done, at little kiosks, but this was not like that. Just join the queue, stand on a spot, look into the camera and off you go

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 15 April 2023 13:14 (two years ago)

if you'd said "that's not me" maybe we'd have some answers to this mystery

contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 April 2023 13:19 (two years ago)

“that’s not me”

“yes it is, sir. now please be on your way”

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 15 April 2023 14:17 (two years ago)

XPs that’s what I’m saying, US immigration clearly has the database built in and they just compared your face to the database using the camera

Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Saturday, 15 April 2023 14:28 (two years ago)

"And so you're Tracer Hand."

"Well that's not my actual name but--"

"ILX stands for Immigration Loophole Xcellence; we know you."

"That's not how you spell--"

"SB, FP."

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 April 2023 15:14 (two years ago)

i was talking to a friend of my parents about this today and he said the difference is that if you're attending an anti-nuclear weapons protest you're not holding your passport up the entire time. Which is true. And I was musing like hmm, how porous though is that database. And he immediately said, grinning, "100%. 100% porous."

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 16 April 2023 22:52 (two years ago)

Ned, you joke, but -

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 16 April 2023 23:54 (two years ago)


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