Zirkle: Why not segregate the states? By JOSEPH DITS, Tribune Staff Writer
Tony Zirkle says we should talk about segregating the United States by race.
So then you work out the percent of white people and give them a certain number of states. Same for blacks. Same for Asians and other hues of humanity.
Zirkle, who’s seeking the Republican nomination for Congress’ 2nd District, believes it’s worth debating.
“I’m not going to say which side of the debate I fall on,” Zirkle told The Tribune on Monday. But he did say the idea is worth looking into - that segregation could create a new sense of community.
Zirkle is known for suggesting controversial ideas, as in 2006 when he said there should be a debate over using the guillotine to punish "porn pimps" who prey on children.
The whole issue of segregation came up in a recent interview with the Kokomo Perspective, a weekly paper.
He and the reporter were talking about Zirkle’s position that a permanent military base should be established in Southern Lebanon and that that part of the country should be made a Christian state.
The reporter said that “obviously desegregation has worked in countries like the United States.” And Zirkle interrupted.
“Well, has it?” Zirkle asked. “African-Americans in Indiana have 80 percent out-of-wedlock birth rate. Fifty percent of all African-Americans between 18 and 25 are in the criminal justice system. Is it working? I don’t know. You can’t say there is no argument to the contrary. Yes, there have been many advances, but there are still many problems.”
He went on to tell the Kokomo Perspective, “While we are brainwashed with respect to integration and forcing everyone to be together and basically all arguments to the contrary are silenced, historically it’s very often been the case that you have to segregate and apartheid people to stop the continual war.”
Both of Zirkle’s opponents denounced his statements.
Rep. Joe Donnelly is the Democrat against whom Zirkle would run.
Donnelly responded: "These comments are divisive, hateful and uninformed. They have no place in this campaign and I trust will be rejected by the voters.”
Luke Puckett, who faces Zirkle in the primary, also expressed opposition.
Trina Robinson, president of the South Bend branch of the NAACP responded: “Segregation has absolutely nothing to do with prison rates or unwed mothers.”
And it’s not just black women who are having kids out of wedlock, she said.
Rather, she said, the government has failed to provide opportunities for people to move beyond public-aid programs. And there aren’t the kind of jobs that provide an income so folks can rise out of poverty, she said.
“Until we end the disparities, we cannot consider being separate and expect to be equal,” she said.
“I don’t have enough facts to support it,” Zirkle said of his proposal, speaking with The Tribune. “I think it would need a congressional study to see if I support it. It may mean the cost of transferring people is too high.”
On the other hand, he said, maybe it could also save the costs of the crime rate - and reduce claims of racial profiling. Granted, he said, it could take a century for the move to really fall in place.
So how would you divvy up Hispanics?
You can pretty much lump them in with whites, he says.
What about black Latinos whose black roots go back several generations in Latin America? And what about the ever-growing number of mixed races?
“You’d have to let people declare what culture they want to be living in,” Zirkle said.
He pointed to Indian reservations as an example of segregation. But didn’t those work out poorly? Zirkle answered: “There are plenty of Indians living on the reservations today by their own choice. There’s a communal trend.”
Zirkle cited a Bible verse, Daniel 2:43, which states: “And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”
Zirkle said it’s easy to misinterpret the Bible, especially for use in public policy.
But he added, “I think it’s just as dangerous to misinterpret it as to ignore it.”
Puckett agreed with the Kokomo area’s Republican chairman, who said Zirkle’s comments had racist overtones.
“I think any lucid Hoosier would see that these comments are fringe lunatic comments,” said Bob Hayes, president of the Indiana Black Expo’s Kokomo Chapter, who spoke with the Kokomo paper. “I think there are people that have given their lives up, i.e. Martin Luther King Jr., Bobby Kennedy, and many other people that fought for desegregation.”
― and what, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:19 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/16355741.html
“They would have six states, so instead of having one half-black senator, well they would have 12,” Zirkle said. "That's a phenomenal increase in political power.”
― and what, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)
i disagree - i believe each race should have its own planet and a gays planet for the gays
― jhøshea, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:23 (seventeen years ago)
The answer is to solve the issues that voters care about - Health Care, Jobs, Immigration, Iraq, Internet Porn, and Anti-Semitism.
― s1ocki, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:23 (seventeen years ago)
In sum, my theory of the case is that a dollar vote for porn in one generation is equal to 2 votes for war and jihad in the next, yet we'll not give up murders, thefts, drugs, and porn. 66:9:15. The hippies gave us Generation X. Gen X, thanks to Clinton, skipped right over XX and spawned Generation XXX. The jihadist will never tolerate what Gen. XXX will sire. That should keep the snarky bloggers in business. Someone has to stimulate this economy.
10:25 PM Speaks the Truth wrote ...
His comments were very well the truth. It seems like everyone thinks that desegration was a good thing. Racist or not, you have to profile to a certain extent. If we ran our society like a business we would have been doing this for quite some time. Why is it that individuals can say a specific ethic group has certain medical conditional but can't say that social problems are not tied to race (Hello DNA) and culture that race has created.
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)
protip - use cattle cars
― bnw, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)
10:29 PM To EL wrote ...
Any white american feels this way. Minories have been given to many "rights". These are not right that even someone who is not a minoriy has. If you want to talk about racism. What is afirmative action? Have any studies show that pushing racial integration has been good for society? If you really dive into this, you will see that there is not one study that says this and many will say the opposite. It is taboo to say this in our society. Go Tony Zirkle. He has my vote as a republican.
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:25 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/yee_haw_my_vote_cancels_out
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:26 (seventeen years ago)
his name is kind of perfect for the santorum treatment
― bnw, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)
lol @ "protip"
dark lol anyway
― gff, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:30 (seventeen years ago)
oh god he's an annapolis boy, yikes
― gff, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:34 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.tonyzirkle.com/about.php
― gff, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)
good to have a racist dealing w/ drug crime in NW indiana
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:36 (seventeen years ago)
# Indiana v. Edwin Balanow (Co-Owner of Pleasureland Museum) # Indiana v. Shirley Balanow (Co-Owner of Pleasureland Museum)
Doubtless.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:38 (seventeen years ago)
Records Held: Most Felony Jury Trials (12) in the yr. 2000 among 22 Prosecutors Undefeated in Solo Completed Jury Trials (10-0) [1 Hung/1 Mistrial] Most Trial Convictions in one afternoon (6 separate bench trials) Heaviest Case Load (4th largest felony load (190) while Directing the Traffic & Misdemeanor Division) Most DUI Convictions in 1999-2000: (8-1)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:39 (seventeen years ago)
whoa he thinks augustus had better ideas than augustine, wtf are they teaching these navy boys
― gff, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:39 (seventeen years ago)
seriously this kind of talk really suggests some seriously fucked up things about indiana's criminal justice system. not that we're not all aware of this sort of shit nationwide already but what an opportunity to highlight this as a problem
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:44 (seventeen years ago)
obsessed with pornography, loose women, divorce, the death of civilization, and his own sense of oppression -- this dude is a fascist straight up
― gff, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)
4. Iraq - In 2004, I suggested we begin a gradual withdraw from Iraq starting in the north and keep the pace depending on the situation on the ground. Since then, we have done next to nothing to address the great porn dragon; therefore, just as slave raping extended the Civil War, so too will tolerating Internet porn, extend the Iraq war. You may disagree, but I'd like to see anyone disprove this point in a public debate.
― gff, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:52 (seventeen years ago)
wait, is that from yahoo answers or this dude's webpage
― deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)
"You may disagree, but I'd like to see anyone disprove this point in a public debate."
me too!!!
― and what, Friday, 7 March 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.indiana-dog-canine-bites-lawyer-tonyzirkle.com/
― sleep, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)
o_O
― Michael White, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:39 (seventeen years ago)
-- sleep, Friday, March 7, 2008 1:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
hahahahaha holy shit is this real
― and what, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:41 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.tonyzirkleindiananursinghomeinjurylawyer.com/
― and what, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:43 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.tonyzirkleindianamotorcycleaccidentlawyer.com/
http://www.the-great-poorn-jihad-war-tax-blog.com/
^^^
― sleep, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:45 (seventeen years ago)
In this blog, I will outline a few of the arguments in support of a poorn tax cut. Poorn is spelled with two "o"s in order to emphasize that fact that few factors promote poverty more efficiently than having an undisciplined intimate life. Additionally, the pro-poorners must believe that misspelled adult words have greater success in avoiding spam and adult filters becuase of the poorn spam I've seen coming through e-mails.
Poorn derives from the Greek and is translated proostitution or foornication. The word encompasses a wide spectrum of abberant, deviant behavior.
- Tony Zirkle
― sleep, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:47 (seventeen years ago)
dammit was just quoting that
― HI DERE, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:49 (seventeen years ago)
Zirkle totally has to be a verb but for what?
― Michael White, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:50 (seventeen years ago)
also do not GIS the great porn dragon unless you really like the idea of Lilo & Stitch porn
― HI DERE, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:51 (seventeen years ago)
If history can not produce one mono-syllabic tax cut king to stick his fluking harpoon between the porn Tiamat's oeilles, then perhaps history will one day send a homeless vet to attempt a confoundation of those incognoscenti who think they're wise. I'm starting to feel very strongly that a lot of very bad events are going to happen to me in the very near future for writing this. They say that fools rush to where angels fear to tread. Would that the world could produce just one punk porn dragon slayer. I think I'm going to be serving chowder, ice tea and fish to tourists in t-shirts like that freecreditreport.com guy.
― sleep, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:57 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/white
check out the "spectrum" thing on the right hand side for possibly the most stupidest thing ever put onto the internet
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:01 (seventeen years ago)
-- Michael White, Friday, March 7, 2008 6:50 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
waking up next to a dead prostitute
― latebloomer, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:01 (seventeen years ago)
HOOS of humanity
― wanko ergo sum, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)
To save people the trouble of looking, it's basically a big cloud of stupid with a side serving of intolerance.
― snoball, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:19 (seventeen years ago)
Thanks, Dustin. I did receive a nice chuckle from the comment about the crabs coming out of my hair. However, I must say I'm a little disappointed in the Wonkette. Surely, someone could have come up with Candidate BeZirkle by now. If you would have thought of Aboob Chemo-Musabi Al-Zirkle-we-we then I would have been otf lmao. Peace and Regards, Tony Zirkle www.TonyZirkle.com 574 386-7960 Campa✧✧✧@TonyZir✧✧✧.c✧✧
― sleep, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:49 (seventeen years ago)
otf
I read this as 'off the fuck'
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:50 (seventeen years ago)
GOP Candidate Tony Zirkle Wishes Adolf a Happy Birthday
― bnw, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:36 (seventeen years ago)
zirkle, jerk
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:38 (seventeen years ago)
loving the H A P P Y (119) B I R T H D A Y table decoration
― gff, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080422/News01/804220396/1011/News
If people think he is targeting the Jews, he said, they are misinterpreting his position. He is targeting, Zirkle said, the "porn dragon" that inspires Jews to get involved in pornography.
― latebloomer, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:46 (seventeen years ago)
I think that's a political position we can all get behind
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:47 (seventeen years ago)
http://img.sparknotes.com/content/sparklife/sparktalk/instructoart_cuckoo.gif
― latebloomer, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:47 (seventeen years ago)
Now the male porn stars are mostly black, he claimed, and the women who appear in pornographic works tend to be "young, white, Christian women."
yeah he likes the real hard shit
― gff, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
megaroffles @ journalism right here:
Riley, the Republican chairman, said he condemned Zirkle's comments at that time, too.
This time, Riley said, "To see him standing in front of that flag and in front of that monster (Hitler) kindled deep emotions within me."
― gff, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
"Nazism, socialism and fascism are polar opposites of what the Republican Party stands for," Riley said.
― latebloomer, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:52 (seventeen years ago)
Okay, that ending:
Zirkle worried that his message will be misunderstood and people will attack him. The point he was making, he said, is that pornography is evil and is undermining society in many ways, from health care to social relations to family life.To punctuate his message, he shredded an original copy Monday of Penthouse magazine from September 1969.
To punctuate his message, he shredded an original copy Monday of Penthouse magazine from September 1969.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:57 (seventeen years ago)
held on to that one for a while, didn't he
― gff, Thursday, 24 April 2008 22:12 (seventeen years ago)
who is this man and why is he so amusing
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 24 April 2008 22:13 (seventeen years ago)
like is this some Yippie political performance art shit
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 24 April 2008 22:18 (seventeen years ago)
Just another one of those people who thought Bob Roberts was a documentary, nothing more.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 April 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)
i'm just kind of amazed he's real
― latebloomer, Friday, 25 April 2008 00:20 (seventeen years ago)
The GPD (Great Porn-Dragon) is seeking so set up this country as a Broke-Barack mountain of gay pride Obama-Nation where a nation that was conceived in liberty now conceives in illigitimacy at 40% in Indiana, where a nation that grew as a Christian lamb is now phoenix-izing itself to speak as a porn dragon. The GPD desires for all men to go the way of the dog. The GPD increases his success as he systematically genocides out the feminine bodies of our tribes.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 April 2008 00:59 (seventeen years ago)
these are actual words on this mans website