constitutional comma madness

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"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

What the fuck is that first comma doing there?
What the fuck is that third comma doing there?
How does one infer the original intent of gibberish?

M.V., Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:44 (eighteen years ago)

Whoa, I actually never realized that was how it was written.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:46 (eighteen years ago)

If you read it as not employing serial commas, it says we should not infringe a well-regulated militia, because a well-regulated militia is necessary to

(a) the security of a free state
(b) the right of the people to keep (i.e., not spoil)
(c) the arms of bears

nabisco, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

lol constitution

libcrypt, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

Who cares?

--Hon. Antonin Scalia

felicity, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

I have a friend who says that law school made him realize he hates the constitution and wishes we just used common law. I started to feel the same after sitting in on a law school class on the commerce clause.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:50 (eighteen years ago)

A well regulated militia, being an obsolete and irrelevant concept, in out society, the right to keep and bear arms, is something I have no idea what the fuck to do with honestly.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:52 (eighteen years ago)

Comma = where you pause to pop a jello shot before continuing.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:52 (eighteen years ago)

So this is a nonsensical way of reading it, but:

"The people's right to form a well regulated militia shall not be infringed, because a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state and the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

Militias exist to protect the people and their guns?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

If your friend thinks the Constitution is TLDR he is not going to like "just" common law.

Stare decisis is a bitch.

felicity, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:11 (eighteen years ago)

I'm probably oversimplifying his opinion

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:18 (eighteen years ago)

do you people not know how people wrote in the 18th century

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

With ftyle and fophiftication, obvioufly.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:28 (eighteen years ago)

Fops wrote it.

felicity, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:28 (eighteen years ago)

do you, people, not know how, people, wrote in the, 18th century

max, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:29 (eighteen years ago)

Fops wrote it.

Fopf, wrote it.

felicity, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:29 (eighteen years ago)

from Poor Richard's Almanack:

He that would be beforehand in the World, must be beforehand
with his Business: It is not only ill Management, but discovers
a slothful Disposition, to do that in the Afternoon, which
should have been done in the Morning.

Useful Attainments in your Minority will procure Riches in
Maturity, of which Writing and Accounts are not the meanest.

Learning, whether Speculative or Practical, is, in Popular or
Mixt Governments, the Natural Source of Wealth and Honour.

PRECEPT I. In Things of moment, on thy self depend, Nor trust
too far thy Servant or thy Friend: With private Views, thy
Friend may promise fair, And Servants very seldom prove
sincere.

PRECEPT II. What can be done, with Care perform today, Dangers
unthought-of will attend delay; Your distant Prospects all
precarious are, And Fortune is as fickle as she's fair.

PRECEPT III. Nor trivial Loss, nor trivial Gain despise;
Molehills, if often heap'd, to Mountains rise: Weigh every
small Expence, and nothing waste, Farthings long sav'd, amount
to Pounds at last.

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:30 (eighteen years ago)

do you, do you, want my, love

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:33 (eighteen years ago)

The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate, reads:
“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ”

The original and copies distributed to the states, and then ratified by them, had different capitalization and punctuation:
“ A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ”

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:36 (eighteen years ago)

So it was some goofball clerk high on weed.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:36 (eighteen years ago)

the House and the Senate apparently thought Militias and Arms deserved more emphasis than People!

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 05:37 (eighteen years ago)

Curtif Ftephenf

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

apparently people don't know how people wrote S's in the 18th century either

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

WTƒ

gabbneb, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

No, I just wasn't sure what key command people used to make an s in the 18th century.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

The long, medial or descending s (ſ) is a form of the minuscule letter 's' formerly used where 's' occurred in the middle or at the beginning of a word, for example ſinfulneſs ("sinfulness"). The modern letterform was called the terminal or short s.

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

I get butthurt over obsolete semantics

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

oh, i fee

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

lolololololol nabisco

HI DERE, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

This amendment, was an homage to Machiavelli, badly botched, nor sensible in its parts and terms.

Aimless, Thursday, 20 March 2008 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate, reads:
“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ”

The original and copies distributed to the states, and then ratified by them, had different capitalization and punctuation:
“ A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ”

So the idiot clerk amender thought it meant:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

but failed to follow through properly on his parsing by not changing the original comma to an "and", thus rendering it nonsensical?

Alba, Thursday, 20 March 2008 00:55 (eighteen years ago)


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