graphic design firms

is there a punchline here?

A GAY ELEPHANT

no no i just need an example

"bankrupt!"

xp lol

Designers Republic maybe, been around long enough and pretty sure they have offices outside the UK

i need a free designer... hahaha!
srsly though... anyone????

http://jacket.subtonic.jp/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/free-design.jpg

whats a graphic design firm with 50 or more employees?

perhaps you should look into into "advertising firms", i think you can find some on what is called "madison avenue"

oh ok i forgot i need US design firms, but ill check this designers republic

Pentagram

without the snark this time: i'm not aware of any companies that large devoted exclusively to graphic design, i can imagine that publishers and advertisers have a lot of design folks working for them, but a lot of companies have design teams in house or employ freelancers on a per-project basis.

I guess I wouldn't call Pentagram just a graphic design firm - they do a huge amount of branding work and even some architecture but most of their work is in graphic identity.

Pentagram roxor.

based on my limited interaction w/ this industry (bad dates lol) i don't think firms get very large. lots of permalancing and endless onion layers of subcontracting

i tried digging around for employee counts here

http://www.designfirms.org/

and here

http://www.designdirectory.com/

maybe you'll have better luck, or have been there already

and had no luck.

ha shitty edit there

u rule brian

gff - yeah i checked those to no avail. thanks though, dogg!

pentagram mostly AWESOME but i kind of hate the public theater's re-branding that they did.

i tried digging around for employee counts here

http://www.designfirms.org/

and here

http://www.designdirectory.com/

maybe you'll have better luck, or have been there already

and had no luck.

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lol rickroll'd

HAHAH so glad i didn't click

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Vignellli Associates?

Landor

Chermayeff & Geismar

re: Landor/Pentagram etc, what is Branding/Graphic Identity if it's isn't just a fancy expansive way of saying Graphic Design?

it's not just about designing stuff. it's about making a visual identity - every time you see this particular style/image/shape/color combo, you are reminded of the entity ---> brand impressions that give the entity a presence/status in your brain. the branding is also a set look that pretty much everything the organization/company puts out will use (see examples on pentagram's bage where they show all the iterations of the brand in sak's bag, boxes, etc.).

there is a better way to say this that i have written down somewhere but oh well.

also, people work long and hard to find the exact right style/image/shape/color combo that conveys the feeling or status you want people to associate with your brand.

graphic design = drawing the aphex twin logo
branding = using the aphex twin logo on multiple albums by aphex twin

graphic design = deciding to condense garamond 20% back in 1984
branding = still using the same shit in 2008

ads /= promotions /= marketing /= graphic design /= branding

the narcissism of small differences lol

graphic design = make a picture
branding = justify why you made a picture

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i thought

graphic design = i pay you make a picture
branding = i pay you made a picture over and over

designing a brand vs branding a design

apparently the place i used to work at has like doubled in size. also they stole some of my copy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Modernista%21#I_have_asked_this_company_to_stop_hotlinking_and_framing

I stand by my statement. There's really no difference...Graphic Design just means "make it look cool" but good graphic design will communicate something in the best and/or most appropriate way, Branding tends to just be getting paid more to explain why the design works and how you can use it.

okay i'm gonna sound like a pedantic jerk but sorry -- writing a company motto, or devising a style guide for phrases and descriptions to use about a company, or determining what advertising outlets a company should use -- all these are integral parts of "branding" that have absolutely nothing to do with graphic design.

even technologies and protocols -- e.g. "one click shopping," "no hassle return policy" -- can be functions of branding

The vast majority of our "identity" site could be considered graphic design, but 8080

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the point is that the style of graphic design you chose was the way to visually connect the aspects of identity andrew discussed above.

Gotham is a vernacular sans serif type designed by the Greenwich Village type foundry of Hoefler and Frere-Jones between 2002 and 2004. Influenced by building and commercial signage in New York, it strikes a hardy and forthright tone in keeping with a prominent aspect of the NYU Steinhardt mission, that of being "in and of the city." Each of the type families includes a range of styles that will enable the designer to effectively address any design situation.

*shoots self*

Frere-Jones

o rly?

theyre brothers

Greil Marcus sounds like a typeface btw

so does Aspie Rube

all graphic design is branding, but not all branding is graphic design.

i forget which book i was reading, but on the back leaf it had a little note about the typeface and an encapsulated biography of the designer, the bulk of which was dedicated to telling how the typographer went on to become an accomplished puppeteer x_0??

Aspie Rube’s letterforms convey a sense of slavish literality and restricted stereotyped interests. Some unique characteristics of the Aspie face include atypical use of everything, clumsiness and an awkward use of serifing.

hahaha remy "It is almost completely illegible"

writing a company motto, or devising a style guide for phrases and descriptions to use about a company, or determining what advertising outlets a company should use

to be honest I didn't think about that stuff, obviously. The only branding I've ever really discussed was specifically the "visual identity" aspect, so that would be where I'd get the aforementioned ideas.

But I've also working at Advertising firms (with a capital A), and those things were all standard aspects of the big advertising places, especially when so many of them make more money through media buying then they do actually creating the ads.