Show me some men who look like old lesbians!

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/05/02/business/02sirius.jpg

bernie
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_02/BernieEcclestoneAP_468x359.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070910/helen_l.jpg

OH MY GOD JOHN SQUIRE

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/74995021.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193FE27433493C03A10A4BC19097250BAF7284831B75F48EF45

moar please, this is good thread

http://www.convention-central.de/conventions/2002/fedcon10/bilder/marcus/039.jpg

http://www.convention-central.de/conventions/2002/fedcon10/bilder/marcus/053.jpg

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2008-05/39290421.jpg

chris walla
http://www.filter-store.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/1120746_cw_200x200.jpg

ihttp://www.crimerant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Keith-Richards%5B1%5D.jpg

http://www.crimerant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Keith-Richards%5B1%5D.jpg
oops. er, go the link.

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/export_images/607/607.x231.mr.questionmark.prev.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/02/stones_wideweb__430x281.jpg

all but Ronnie, really.

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/steven-tyler-2006-clive-davis-pre-grammy-awards-party-0dQTM0.jpg

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/78088189-thumb.jpg

not beckham

It's predictable enough, I guess, but I like that Charlie somehow looks the youngest. :)

http://www.foodisnotlove.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paul-mccartney-american-idol.jpg

http://www.richmondcc.edu/ColeAuditorium/NewColeMain/Cole0506/Boone%20Head%20shot%20red%20BG.jpg

http://www.warnermusic.com.au/cache/105522/x314y314.jpg

want more!

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8809/lb8d8f2e3deacf7f5006e63ke8.jpg

http://www.designboom.com/eng/interview/brucesterling/01.jpg

i've been looking for shots of the drummer from the zero boys but can't find any that sufficiently capture his lesbianity.

Not so old, but...

http://nitawriter.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/johann-hari.jpg

http://transitionculture.org/wp-content/uploads/thumb-johann_hari2.gif

http://www.channel4.com/more4/media/L/lastword/images/guests/h/harij_110x106.jpg

Props for the Bruce Sterling pic, mh.

http://images.worldcupblog.org/www/steve%20nicol.jpg

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/4/6/1/7/15117164-15117327-slarge.jpg

http://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/harold-bloom.jpg

Harold Bloom ftw

I came here to post that Dana Carvey picture. SHAZBOT.

David Gordon Green:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/31/arts/03harr02_190.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5725/johnnydepphk5.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2gx4r5w.jpg

http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/resources/2007/08/miked083007.jpg

sheeit

http://images.hollywoodgrind.com:9000/images/2008/4/gary-busey.jpg

http://www.avclub.com/content/files/images/Willem-Dafoe.jpg
Willem Dafoe, perhaps. Or, rather, I saw an old dyke the other night who looked exactly like Willem Dafoe, so maybe my wires are all crossed.

http://images.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/01/24/jeffries/story.jpg

Abercrombie guy is the dickbag epicenter of the universe!

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dsxz7.jpg

omg u guys http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/2008/12/john-darnielle.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Picture1-31.jpg

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10/Hammond_450x300.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/philippe_petit/philippe_petit_09.jpg

(of Man on Wire fame)

Rosenbaum

http://www.bigmuddyfilm.com/29th-2007/gx/jonathan-rosenbaum.jpg

Greil

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/2848546466_ab75ac8107.jpg?v=0

rip gabbneb

http://img.skysports.com/08/01/218x298/Tomas_Rosicky_624349.jpg

It's just about a lack of eyebrows, isn't it?

No lack here:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2gx4r5w.jpg

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00522/spector_booking_522224o.jpg

lol

While we're at it:
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/bridget/phil-spector-hair.jpg

In the biopic of Spector's life and his trial, surely Al Pacino will play the starring role:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/defamer/2009/02/al_pacino_300.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1619055896394596352/pu/img/J-CGvH6YjhF3pTv7.jpg

#onethread

There is no bottom pic.twitter.com/taLeqFd7bg

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 24, 2023

"I support my brave & beautiful lesbian daughter..."

They both look like bottoms

You would know

ya cuz your gay haha

idk at least one of them probably thinks wiping too carefully is shameful :(

From the looks, it's not the one on the left

(That's re: wiping, not bottoming)

https://i.imgur.com/zK1RqmJ.jpg

Another Porcaro (Steve)

https://i.imgur.com/XPQaRUy.jpg

Might as well add Luk at this point

a thread staple

Getting a ‘Glasgow Celtic’ tattoo in Auckland to celebrate my beloved team ‘You’re in My Heart’ @CelticFC #raywaller pic.twitter.com/5SsqzHf3S7

— Sir Rod Stewart (@rodstewart) April 11, 2023

https://www.metaledgemag.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_xy_center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_620%2Cx_1554%2Cy_462/MTg1OTY0MjYzODU1MTA1MTUz/ozzy-osbourne-1986---ross-marinogetty-images.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/pXRXYJVT/F5xxog8-Ww-AAe-FHj.jpg

I feel I should point out that old David Byrne looks almost exactly like my late, possibly closeted grandma.

https://d3g9pb5nvr3u7.cloudfront.net/authors/59a6cfff7c10692ef40ba41a/-684908288/256.jpg

I mean, I wholeheartedly <3 Jon but... increasingly I think of this thread when I see recent pics.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/0e5QyoBv0LVTBjAhSQJwEw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTg1Mw--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/people_218/a8da97a96f8e1fb12699ca5c184b610d

^^Macaulay Culkin

I think I’ve seen that lady at the coffee shop

Kyrsten Sinema has really let herself go

https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2021/01/simmons1.jpg

i knew i wouldn't have to look long to find Dave Foley

https://images.app.goo.gl/jPxxMckgTT4xXUio6

Taylor Swift com Skye e Mark Hoppus do Blink-182! 🤍 pic.twitter.com/Lwuc9lAG5H

— Taylor Swift Brasil (@taylorswiftbr) February 23, 2024

https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/cb9630b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4636x3708+0+0/resize/880x704!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fff%2F70%2F0fe9795448589f5034df8cd7359c%2Fmep-1660-copy.jpg

https://www.cincinnati.com/gcdn/-mm-/fdd9c038a17978c4bcbc7d96fecba3f4daa9422a/c=0-58-840-1178/local/-/media/2016/07/25/Cincinnati/Cincinnati/636050615817046165-googoos.jpg

Goo Goo Dolls

We've had Jon Bon Jovi on here already, but Richie Sambora is giving him a serious run for his money

https://people.com/thmb/hoGSN5sPmq3_ZccZiT5v78Z8ofs=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(1014x512:1016x514):format(webp)/Richie-Sambora-Bon-Jovi-Docuseries-050524-04-88934c318ac04863a12af0a4139cbb14.jpg

https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/65550c41b2d30e7fdf8d04c6/2:1/w_2240,c_limit/Kevin-Shields-J-Mascis.jpg

damn wayne and garth are old as shit now

"Old age isn't a battle, it's a massacre".

https://i.imgur.com/fiOk0Rq.png

For some reason, this feels like the appropriate thread to note that Steve Bannon is going to the prison that inspired "Orange Is the New Black."

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLM6PZH0iP5Al4JYYu7qbVUHcDBmR2DET1Nw&s

Beck & Kurt Vile

Full-Size: https://www.instagram.com/p/C935AaQMPV9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Omg beck what happen

https://resources.tidal.com/images/99665317/0400/48c2/bbf3/47712da3b5e3/750x750.jpg
Urge Overkill

Men who look like Judee Sill

an example of why i find this thread Problematic

https://fxtwitter.com/androgynelenin/status/1827787056287715345?t=DLuDXK7B6NyvV1ohjDf8kQ&s=19

hmm maybe an x.com link?

brains so cooked that i saw the jazzmaster and assumed it was a clocky trans woman https://t.co/JSiYDYLr7i

— NADIA (@androgynelenin) August 25, 2024

i can tell you what trans woman kevin shields looks like to me in that picture, and she's not clocky

Clocky?

Clocky?

― calstars

oh um. how do i explain this.

to "clock" someone, as a verb, is to look at someone and say "oh, i do believe that person is a transgender woman". except the word dates back to probably at least the 1950s, and in the 1950s, that's not would people would generally say. they'd generally do a double-take and shout "THAT'S A MAN!" "Clocking" is largely dependent on the observer and not on the observed, but in some cases, the appearance or behavior of the observed can have an effect on the number of people who "clock" them, and these people are referred to as "clocky".

it's a complicated term these days. trans women on twitter/x use it a lot. i do personally use the term, but i also, in certain contexts, refer to myself as a "tranny faggot". in other words, "clock" and "clocky" are problematic terms to use, even for a trans woman like myself. i avoid using the term in largely-trans places online, but since this isn't a largely-trans place...

it's largely a transfem term, that i can tell. idk, it's kinda interesting. trans guys tend to get read as "dykes" but the cultural significance of "dyke" is kinda different than that of "faggot". there can definitely be a stigma to it but it's not the _same_ sort of stigma. i had some hesitation about whether or not i could call myself a "dyke", but i had a lot more hesitation about calling myself a "faggot".

this is... this is just wild speculation here, but what i do see, anecdotally, is that it's more common for someone who's transmasc to come out as queer and accept themselves as queer earlier than it is for someone who's transfem to come out as queer pre-transition. it was really important to me, early on, that people not look at me and think i was a gay man. it's not that important to me now, probably in large part because nobody actually does that. being an effeminate man is just way more stigmatized than being a masculine woman is.

and this is where we get to the topic of this thread. gender presentation is not nearly as clear-cut as people seem to think it is. i did have a habit of trying to "clock" people early on, just because it made me feel less isolated, more visible as a trans woman. and what i found was that i wound up doing what a lot of people trying to "clock" women do - i came to false conclusions due to my cultural biases. that lady has a deep voice. that lady is six feet tall. literally i know cis women who get "clocked" as trans more often than i do. that's not a humblebrag, that's me talking about the deeply problematic way "clocking" winds up policing "acceptable" ways of performing womanhood. it's almost like a sort of transvestigation-lite.

but it's important to trans women because it does matter if we pass. trans women get treated better if we pass than if we don't, and a lot of us do value passing very much. so in trans women, i'd say "clocking" does serve that sort of purpose - critically evaluating other trans women to try and increase our own ability to "pass" in a society that often treats non-"passing" trans women very poorly.

pre-transition, i was strongly implicitly encouraged to try and determine someone's gender as soon as possible. i needed to do this so i could figure out if i wanted to fuck them. i don't really understand it. i don't know where i picked up that idea, but i did. i didn't want to fuck _anybody_. even if i say, well, maybe it's about relationships, a lot of the time i did this i was happily in a monogamous relationship. it was just something that felt _necessary_.

maybe there's a bit of that in my clocking trans women. i'm attracted to all kinds of people but particularly to trans women. these days i just... i just don't care about someone's gender. i look at someone and i don't make that determination of gender first. i just notice if i find someone attractive, i don't think about whether i'm _allowed_ to find them attractive. someone i used to know had a meme they loved a lot about someone going up to a trans woman and saying "damn yo ass fat, what's your pronouns?" and to me, that speaks to the same thing, that if people are attracted to me, i'd like them to be attracted to me first and worry about my gender later. a lot of people, when dating, pay a lot of attention to genitals, and when it comes to me personally, i find a lot of that attention undue.

and when i think about the difference in the thread - is this a cis man, or a lesbian? - to me, there's this common implicit assumption of, well, these are people it's not "acceptable" for a cishet man to be sexually attracted to. particularly when you specify _old_ lesbians.

and i'm not a cishet man. i'm a middle-aged woman. i'm attracted to older women, particularly older queer woman. i hope someday to be an old lesbian, and here's this thread full of pictures of men who supposedly look like me?

anyway, circling back around to the notion of kevin shields looking like a trans woman ("clocky" or otherwise) - there is this inherent stigma of, you know, dude looks like a lady. to my understanding, "dude looks like a lady" _isn't_ about a transgender woman, but an effeminate-looking cisgender man. a man who, perhaps, looks like an old lesbian.

it does come down to that for me. i look at that picture of kevin shields, or an earlier picture of matt smith, and in both cases my response is "she's hot. i'd get with her. him. whatever."

-

i guess if i had to boil it down to one complaint it would be this: speaking as a lesbian, a lot of you people have _terrible taste in lesbians_. in fact, i will now tell you which people in this thread post-cut i am attracted to in a lesbian way, based on their pictures

dwight yoakam
craig kilborn
donald j trump jr (look i'm not saying i _don't_ have terrible taste in lesbians.)
the goo goo doll with the neck tat (oh my god those guns, girrrl i want to watch you chop wood)
beck

that's it. those are the only ones.

well, sort of. i do find macaulay culkin in that picture attractive but he doesn't look like a lesbian in that picture. he looks like a burnout hipster nerd dude. i'm attracted to those guys in an entirely different way from the way i'm attracted to lesbians.

FWIW, DJTJ only made the thread because he posed for <that photo> with multiple-postee ITT Kyle Rittenhouse.

to "clock" someone, as a verb, is to look at someone and say "oh, i do believe that person is a transgender woman". except the word dates back to probably at least the 1950s, and in the 1950s, that's not would people would generally say. they'd generally do a double-take and shout "THAT'S A MAN!"

Interesting because "to clock" just means to see or notice in UK slang and I would have sworn it was specifically English (probably Cockney) but it seems it was first cited in the US in the 40s. However I've never heard anyone use it in that sense in US film or TV whereas you hear a lot in the UK (specifically again in films or TV programmes set in London).

you clocking the Enemy you should be clocking the time

it was rap slang in the 80s, pretty common

this thread obviously sucks imo, it plays into shitty stereotypes and the premise seems to be that these men are worthy of ridicule for their appearance.

Am I out of line here? Always seemed weird that this thread didn’t get clocked awhile ago

not at all, i'm strongly in favor of this thread being locked, i just hate being the representative of the Woke Trans Agenda declaring that nobody is allowed to have any fun

yeah this is a tired thread from the naughty oughties and just feels a bit mean spirited, except for roasting the Goo Goo Dolls of which I approve 100%

yeah this is a tired thread from the naughty oughties and just feels a bit mean spirited, except for roasting the Goo Goo Dolls of which I approve 100%

― Andy the Grasshopper

to be clear i am not roasting the goo goo dolls in any way shape or form. not even spit-roasting. i'm body-positive and don't believe in shaming people for their bodies in any way, shape, or form. i still remember the amount of shit pete burns got for the surgery he had. shaming a femme for having surgery to make his body more feminine? yeah, that hasn't aged well. i haven't heard the goo goo dolls' music in, i don't know, 20 years or so, i don't know anything about them as a band. i find the guy with the neck tat physically attractive.

nobody is being shamed?

I always thought this was a “cringe” thread tbh … because it presupposes what an “old lesbian” looks like. Unless the “old” refers to historical figures who were known to be lesbians… but … there isn’t just one look. Idk my great great aunt that we used to take to Lyon’s restaurant and have Montecristo sandwiches near the Prunedale shopping center in the 80s was a lesbian. She looked like Estelle Getty as Sofia in the Golden Girls… but Sofia wasn’t a lesbian… just a little old white lady … so …

this thread is inherently a challenge to expectations of stereotypes, and in practice a celebration of diversities of presentation

lol