FINAL CLINTON OBAMA DEBATE THREAD

HRC's opening statement became unintelligible drone in record time

I'm gonna make me some popcorn

she plugged her website - i missed obama

Is this streamable somewhere?

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/index - from the other thread havent tried it

so hillary is backing waaaay off her me n mccain are the qualified ones

story

So have they got these undecided voters wired up to something?

yah theyre shocking them yelling WHY CANT U MAKE UP YR MIND WTF PLZ WHEN WILL IT END

I AM THE SON OF A FACTORY WORKER

I AM FROM SCRANTON PEOPLE! DON'T EVER FORGET IT!

PENN ALL THE WAY! YEAH!

i have never met anyone who has a neurotic relationship to religion or guns

Way to misread his point, Hil.

any place where I can stream this??

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/index

Well shit, the economy polls as the #1 issue but people will vote republican when those policies will (arguably) screw them. It's a democrat talking point, and one I mostly agree with, that republican policies screw the factory workers of the country. Democrats don't get why people would vote republican if the economy's the thing.

Way to bring religion into it..

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/18887/thumbs/s-REDDRESS-large.jpg

"I am a Christian" would have played a lot better than "I am a person of faith," Senator Obama, just for future reference

Ooh and Obama's running with it! Oddly enough my mostly-liberal but evangelical-type friends (who are typically apolitical because of that, and their relative youth) really like Obama's interest in faith.

omg Obama's "that's not who she is" line is fucking gold

lol clinton glaring at the insinuated cycle of abuse

J0hn, it does to a certain crowd, but there's a growing interest of people who remember that mixing religion and politics degrade both institutions and I think Obama's pulled people like that to his side -- he has obvious Christian background, but he politically is pretty good at looking who he represents. It's a good angle.

"It wasn't just me responding, it was Hugh Hewitt, Mark Steyn, and Kathryn Jean Lopez responding."

And wtf is Hillary trumpeting on about how she has the support of the common man forever

can i stream this somewhere??

I know he has to do it, but I wish he wouldn't go with the "I didn't know Rev. Wright was hateful" because he fucking isn't

stfu big hoos aka the steendriver

Ugh he's not responding to Gibson's excellent question (which would require a cynicism Obama won't admit to).

hoos i am headphoning it right now from an abc link given somewhere above

btw it sucks

xp oh

so far im enjoying these questions

Agreed agreed. I like how "white people are causing pain" and "our governments actions come back on us" are apparently objectionable, but "is America ready for a black president" is not objectionable. Of course someone's still being kept down somewhere if that's even a damn question

man, y'all know I am more sympathetic to HRC than most but this debate is really serving up the easy wins for her and it ain't right

^^

"does reverend wright love america as much as you"

wtf is this, the mccarthy hearings??

sorry i just tuned in & this is the worst shit ever

hoos I thought you were making funny because a couple of people had already asked for a stream, sorry for the unwarranted stfu

p.s ethan otm, this is some bullshit

do you think rev wright loves america as much as you?

w t f

ABC has a lot invested in the Wright story.

"You have disowned him?" wtf wtf wtf

yikes

DOES HIS LOVE THIS COUNTRY?? ANSWER THE QUESTION

if HRC were a more admirable person she'd lend Obama a hand here just on general principles

BOY is she smelling blood or what

next question: can you give up soon plz? plz plz plz

this is why I will never be truly famous, I lack the killer instinct that HRC has

OK now she's just plagiarizing him.

wtf this wright shit.

woooow

I'm personally really glad ABC got former Clinton administration Senior Policy advisor George Stephanopoulos to moderate this debate. Fair and balanced, guys!

wait did I miss the part where the audience BOOED Charles Gibson?

it was when at the v end

when

sooooo glad i missed this

i missed it, but from reading this thread i gather this

ABC gifting Clinton with a four-point poll spike so they can keep their horserace shit going, that's what this is about

is exactly right. it's also a gift their good, stalwart, honest, heroic friend john mccain can enjoy.

http://i30.tinypic.com/219e3di.jpg

Didn't watch (Mets were on).

For asking flag-pin question, I hope President Saint has Charlie Gibson tied to the propeller of a nuclear submarine.

This was up there with Lincoln vs Douglas.

Abbey Lincoln v Mike Douglas?

I though this was FINAL CLINTON OBAMA DEATH THREAT

can somebody just tell me who's going to win please. i mean come on

obama

there now u can relax w/a nice cup of connecticut muffin herbal tea ok

weird i did just make some herbal tea

but i'm skipping out on CTmuff this morning

"CTmuff" is a much better name

:P thx

CONNECTICUT MUFFIN

STAY AWAY FROM MEE-HEE

do you know it took me a few hours to get that? love it :)

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

No Whining About the Media
By David Brooks

Three quick points on the Democratic debate tonight:
First, Democrats, and especially Obama supporters, are going to jump all over ABC for the choice of topics: too many gaffe questions, not enough policy questions.
I understand the complaints, but I thought the questions were excellent. The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable, to explore evasions, contradictions and vulnerabilities. Almost every question tonight did that. The candidates each looked foolish at times, but that’s their own fault.
We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall. Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis. It’s legitimate to see how the candidates will respond to these sorts of symbolic issues.

Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis

Was Dukakis hiding under a big pile of new flags?

oh david brooks - never takes more than 3 paragraphs to contradict himself

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^HOOS

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/18956/thumbs/r-DEBATEAGAIN-large.jpg
GOTCHA COOL GUY!

Chuckles Gibson looks like a discarded puppet from the Land of Confusion video shoot.

Uhhh, my mom is probably voting for McCain (I know) but she was delighted that people were going WTF is this total circus, said 'about time'. She likes Obama but can get vexed about Wright and thinks O's a hair to young.

This election is going to go almost completely along generational lines. Are there enough people under 45 to give it to Obama?

too. O.M.G.

wait, suzy, are you asking me if i want to give it to obama???

u do admit it its ok

No, hie thee away to Appletini thread for those fantasies!

Give the election victory. That's ELECTION.

whats that u say? ERECTION?

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^HOOS

-- deej, Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:35 AM (53 minutes ago)

wat

wait, suzy, are you asking me if i want to give it to obama???

What you got, you got to give it to Obama.

Are there enough people under 45 to give it to Obama?

Yeah.

Guys, I just went to McCain's site to see what talking points are there in response to what's on the other side of the fence, and they have this poll:

By how much would the Democrats' budget resolution raise America's tax bill?
* $0
* $500 million
* $200 billion
* $500 billion

Is this a poll or a trivia show?

Ooh! I know! I know! Pick me!

There are plenty of Obama supporters well over 45 -- my mom, for one. Might help if Suzy weren't watching all this from another country.

Ethan OTM just all over the damn place.

"It was another step downward for network news . . . shoddy, despicable performances [by Gibson and Stephanopoulos]":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/17/AR2008041700013.html

It is annoying to have to watch from another country but OTOH I would probably have gone mental from the 24/7 news by now plus arguments with more conservative family members. I wish I could get the part of my mom that was happy when O won Iowa because of 'the message it would send the world' to overrule the Wright-related outbursts which are the expression of her racism, in that she holds black people to higher standards than white counterparts, and just vote for the guy, she agrees with him on enough stuff. But bottom line, she thinks his associations mark his inexperience. My sister will vote however my mom does and the son-of-militia bro-in-law is pretty much in the bag for McCain.

So I guess the real question is that are there enough people in the shifting 'younger voter' category plus older more liberal people plus Dems who are over the Clintons plus 90 per cent of black vote plus yada yada to counter the standard GOP crap with sprinkles on?

Obama hopes his older supporters cancel out secret racists of all ages

Reverend Wright youtube clips are like the Dean scream moment of 2008, some loud moment taken out of the original context and put into one where the hyperbole is made to sound "unpatriotic."

Even if the guy meant every word he said in a straight context, what does that mean for the Obama campaign? That he's running for president because he's trying to unseat some white superiority-led conspiracy that keeps black people down and encourages terror?

this was some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen

and this guy watches rachael ray

if hillary wins i'm voting mkcaine

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^HOOS

-- deej, Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:35 AM (53 minutes ago)

wat

-- am0n, Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:30 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

it means otm

^_^

^^_^^

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CRBgxjslgqg

I don't care who wins. The televised conversations/meetings between either of them and Gordon Brown will be just as awkward.

This is sort of the wrong thread, but it's the most recent one, so whatevs.