full disclosure

soemone post that silly paperthinwalls/ilx/getty images thing

the answer to "who cares" is "annoying self-righteous bloggers looking to jump on pitchfork at any hint of impropriety"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uBEwRYS6ww

yeah i tried to find the thread about phrases critics should stop using to c/p when pitchfork does this. i think they used to say "we knew these dudes in college" or something about vw before they became big enough where no one was going to accuse p4k of giving them preferential treatment

I think I just thought it was funny that it's not a former P4k staffer (like Cadence Weapon or Electrelane) but the sister of a former staffer.

lol u read pitchfork

^^ lazy zing.

wait, are they giving full disclosure in a story about who's on a festival bill?

Well, to be fair, it's their own festival. But you're right that the conflict of interest seems less troublesome than it would be in a review of the album. It's not like Perry Farrell says, "Hey, full disclosure, you guys, my shitty band is playing Lollapalooza."

Like he needs to say that.

are you pissed b/c you had to add a column to the spreadsheet? XD

FULL DISCLOSURE: Mahjongg is playing here tomorrow!!!! For FREE!!!! And I am excited.

full disclosure: i just ate a bagel (full disclosure: it had cream cheese on it (full disclosure: it was chive and onion cream cheese)).

In the interest of full disclosure, I did have a tickle in my anus.

Mahjongg are terrific! (Full disclosure: I met one of them recently and thought he was really nice.)

i think they used to say "we knew these dudes in college" or something about vw before they became big enough where no one was going to accuse p4k of giving them preferential treatment

No, I'm pretty sure the only disclosure on this was that their demos were mentioned in the review, and it turns out one of the guys who helped record the demo now does sound work for Pitchfork. (I assume it's with recording shows for PFTV.) With that one, it seemed to me that including the disclosure actually created more of an appearance of impropriety than not (I mean, so you both employed the same guy -- I probably use the same dry cleaner Vampire Weekend did, too!), and did not like the disclosure cluttering up my sentence and all. But given that people have insane paranoid fantasies* about Pitchfork's propriety, I can understand the effort to always be clear.

* The best paranoid fantasy: when that character on Veronica Mars got a job with Pitchfork, I was all "haha hey you should give him a byline tomorrow!" and then someone agreed to put his name on their review, and then ... some guy on Idolator is all "I thought it was really funny until I saw that byline and realized it was a coordinated marketing stunt." As if Pitchfork had suddenly developed the ability to get plot-integrated product placement on network television shows!

What's interesting to me about disclosures like these is that they wind up exposing an incestuousness of media places/people that was standard but invisible some time ago.

My favorite is when someone says "so-and-so (who, full disclosure, wrote something really mean about me here)..." That's actually kinda helpful, figuring out where the enemy lines are in the media pool.

New York magazine might be the king of this. they did a piece on leaks in the music industry and the main source was an indie label exec (full disclosure -- the source was the writer's boyfriend, lol, squee). in cases like that it's just laziness in not finding a better source. more often I think it's "let's be completely above board" with a side helping of "hey I know a guy who knows that guy, we totally hang out"

music writing has always been way incestuous. and hardly invisible about it. I always thought it was odd how many editors had wives or girlfriends or siblings etc who just happened to be critics.

full disclosure: this is really a pitchfork thread

I appreciate when critics and journalists disclose their personal ties to their subjects and resent it when they don't. I read a positive review in Vogue of a mediocre novel written by the novelist's best friend without disclosure: gross. I admire critics who keep their distance or else are in the thick of things but fess up to the specifics.

i think it's totally appropriate in the case of, say, a magazine that's owned by a media company reporting on a network owned by its parent company, stuff like that.

i guess ppl can take it to far, but it's pretty much journalism 101 stuff to do it out of principle.

Disclosure is a good thing. The way this was accomplished seems a bit breathless and silly to me. Negative style points.

im sayin tho i dont think you guys appreciate the extent to which pfork gets taken to task day in and day out for shit like this by... basically by ilm posters and boring bloggers and stuff. in the relatively incestuous world of internet music making and internet music writing the lines between who writes what and whos in what band are pretty blurry. i dont think this one is particularly necessary but i get why they did it.

full disclosure: I have a pair of sunglasses that belong to a certain leader of genre-melders mahjongg

nabisco:

Vampire Weekend Sign to XL

Buzz band about town (NYC, that is) Vampire Weekend have signed to venerable indie label XL-- current home of M.I.A., Dizzee Rascal, and Devendra Banhart, to name just a few-- to release their full-length debut in January. But first, they'll release a single called "Mansard Roof", which will see a U.S. release on October 23.

Vampire Weekend have a nice little tour lined up for themselves as well. Tomorrow night, August 23, they'll play in Portland, Maine on their current tour with YACHT and Dirty Projectors, and they also have a couple scattered dates next month.

Full disclosure: A couple of Pitchfork staffers know these guys pretty well. Congrats, dudes!

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/45083-vampire-weekend-sign-to-xl

Oh, I missed that! One of the editors would have gone to college with them for a couple years, so that's probably part of it.

I recently read a scathing article somewhere (can't remember) about the ethics of pitchfork making money from festivals with artists who they review -- so they profit directly if they give a band a great review and then put that band on the list of their next festival. There is an intertwining of interests that might not be ethical.

Journalism has flushed all ethics down the toilet long ago. If you're in the NYC area, just watch the Fox 5 news broadcasts. About 90% of the air time is some kind-of pitch or another.

I remember they spent like, 20 minutes eating and raving over this new baked potato from a restaurant that just opened. Seriously ... during the newscast on air they were just eating these fucking potatos and saying shit like, "my god, these really are delicious!"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Disclosure_ver2.jpg/394px-Disclosure_ver2.jpg

Finally, in the interest of full disclosure, we should mention that High Places include the sister of a former Pitchfork staffer.

Finally, in the interest of full disclosure, we should mention that Demi Moore is the sister of a former Pitchfork staffer.

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, May 1, 2008 10:33 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

That's a pretty racy poster!

So is Louis Jagger.