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I hate the word 'loo'. It makes me squirm, and yet I always use it because the alternatives are worse. What do you say? What should I say? I feel terribly British asking this - I get the feeling people of other nationalities don't give a shit (b'dum tish).

Madchen, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

WC? Or VC, as the French might say it? (Actually, they say "veh seh", or something like that.)

I usually say "the office". Doing "research". Some very important "filing". Abusing many "euphamisms".

Anyone still say they're powdering their nose?

David Raposa, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In the US, the l** is always called a bathroom; all toilets are bathrooms. We make no distinction--too much for our heads.

matthew, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ever since learning the last name of someone in my chorus, I've gotten into the horrifically bad habit of saying I have to go take a Puder (pronounced POO-der). I need to stop saying this, as she's a really nice person and I don't want to inadvertently offend her.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

BOG or KHAZI are the only acceptable ones to me, I'm afraid. I am scum, though. "Loo" is pretty tacky.

xoxo

Norman Fay, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Toilet. I like the word toilet and feel no shame in saying that that is where I am headed.

Jonnie, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's only Irish people who talk about going to the jacks?

The Dirty Vicar, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, this is the one word which strikes stark class horror into the middle half of the English nation: do I reveal that my daddy bought me a pony, or do I pretend to be Oikish Potty-Mouthed Prole Scum? (Having said that, "khazi" is an EGYPTIAN word, isn;t it — so (even though it started as a Brit soldier joke), there must have been a bit of evasive nervous gentility to it AT SOME POINT IN SOME WAY? No?

ps I say bathroom, which is gutless (in Uk etiquette terms) but strangely safe. I should actually give this some stategic thought.

pps the Thomas Crapper story is a total urban myth.

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I use the washroom .

anthony, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bathroom, toilet, restroom. I liked the ancient Egyptian term -- 'House of Honor,' allegedly.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's a bit dangerous using the word bathroom in Britain, as smart arses will direct you to a room containing a bath and not a room containing a toilet. Toilet, lav, loo, bog, khazi, pisser, shitter, crapper and facilities have all served me well in different types of company. Favourite term heard in more scatologically obsessed company to signal impending toilet need was: 'the brown dog is barking at the back door', and later, as a modification: 'I need to go on a dog calming exercise'.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the saying 'turtle's head is showing'. Oh, Toilet fwiw.

Billy Dods, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(image of r.tunnicliffe wandering disconsolately thru friend's many- mansioned ancestral home, where the, uh, "head" is plumbed in long winding corridors away from the bath...)

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My Significate Other calls it the euphamism. Sometimes I say I'm going off to drop some friends off at the pool.

Jo Hollister, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What is the urban myth about Crapper. He did invent a patent flush toilet.

Ed, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is restroom considered somehow classier than bathroom? I get this impression from many of my Californian friends. I guess resting is more acceptable than bathing. I usually say men's room. I'm a man yes I am.

Arthur, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is loo not the middle class-ish term, and toilet the bog- standard/neutral (good pun huh). i guess this class-talk is faintly amusing for transatlantic readers.

ambrose, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When feeling discreet - it's the washroom, or sometimes just 'the ladies'. When feeling crude (or when drunken) it's either called the john, or the can.

Kim, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not as amusing as the notion that the Brit only divide themselves up into TWO class strata viz (and others will do better):
LAVATORY
GENTS & LADIES
LOO
WC
TOILET
LAV
KHAZI
BOG
CRAPPER
SHITTER
Is how *I'd* stratify the ones I've just now remembered (and have forgotten many and many UK readers will have learnt as much abt me from my omissions as my attempt at stratification). This nation being the peerless culture it is, EVERY WORD DEFINES A COHERENT CLASS, perhaps not in the marxist sense, but in the sense that it actually impinges.

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh dear. 'Toilet' for me, I'm afraid.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

shithouse, royal throne, dunny

Geoff, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Water CLoset...it sounds liike a disaster when you open it ...

Mike Hanley, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, if you are in the pub /restaurant you just get up and say 'excuse me'. There are not that many pubs /restaurants that are so ginormous that you cannot find the lavs by yourself. Just head towards the back. If you are at someone's house the same should work if, like you, your friends have beautifully refined manners. Stand up, say 'do excuse me' and perhaps raise your eyebrows at the host / hostess (depending on your own gender) and they should discreetly point you in the right direction.

Alternatively you can get very drunk and yell 'I am off for a slash' at the top of your voice to the assembled throng. Whatever.

Emma, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I always find shambling off the bus going "My bladder is conker hard" explains to everyone what is about to happen. If I'm being polite I ask "Where is the tree".

Pete, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeh, i never really understood which was the 'proper' and which was the 'oikey' word. i say toilet, doesn't everyone these days?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Which is why my method is the best. Or you could try saying 'where's the, uh...' and tailing off. Most people know what you mean.

Pete's method is for boors. I am ashamed to be associated with him.

Emma, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just say "I'm going to pinch a loaf"

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Toilet. What's wrong with that?

Or say Bog. Bog's a good one.

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When heading for the toilet just say, "I'm going to declare martial law".

When leaving the toilet just say, "I've just declared martial law".

Steven James, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth, as the resident posho, I can exclusively reveal that loo and lavatory are the things to say, whilst toilet is a definite non-u no-no. Not sure where lav fits in. In pubs I tend to ask for the gents.

Nick, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Although, to dispell certain myths, my daddy never did buy me a pony, he did used to sing a little song which went "Oh dear, what can the matter be, Katie's locked in the lavatory, Katie is locked in the loo."

When pressed on these sorts of things, however, reverting to the Americanism is the safest classlessist thing to do. I ask for "bathroom" or "ladies' room".

Are we gonna start talking about sofas vs. settees now, or can I just go and seek refuge on the couch?

Kate the Saint, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Oh dear, what can the matter be, Katie's locked in the lavatory, Katie is locked in the loo."

This sounds like a charming song which I intend to teach my children. It doesn't scan though. I assume there is a line missing. Is the 'oh dear' line repeated before the Katie one?

Nick, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh oh!! My dearest Canadian friend Adair tells me that in Canada there is ANOTHER WURD for sofa/settee/couch,which is only used in Canada.

mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I prefer sofa but have been known to say couch in unguarded moments. This is what comes of having a dad from Birmingham. The correct name for the room where the sofa resides is the front room (even if at the back of the house) unless you have a huge house in which case living or sitting room. Drawing room is for very posh people so us lot don't need to worry about that.

Emma, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Drawing room isn't posh! It's just neccessary for when you have several rooms all serving similar sorts of purposes, so you have to call the tatty one the family hangs out in the Sitting Room, the slightly nicer one where you take people you know quite well the Parlour, and the really nice one that you entertain guests is the Drawing Room, or the "Ballroom".

This has all scarred me so much that I now live in a one-room flat and have done with it.

Kate the Saint, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG sez toilet + settee + living room...so what does that mean?

DG, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I remember Kate's rhyme as going :"Oh dear what can the matter be? / Two old ladies stuck in the lavatory. / They were there from Monday to Saturday. / Nobody knew they were there. // The first one in was old Mrs Finn..."

However, I cannot remember nor find the rest of the rhyme. I feel this is URGENT and KEY enough for Mr Dastoor to research.

stevie t, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It was LOCKED in the lavatory in my version. And I don't remember any verses. Maybe it's like the National Anthem, no-one remembers verses (cue 45 people telling me the verses).

Parlour - who says Parlour? Except in the grate song When Father Papered the Parlour (...we couldn't see him for paste / dabbing it here / dabbing it there / paste and paper everywhere / mother was stuck to the ceiling / the children were stuck to the floor / I've never seen a bloomin' family so stuck up before)

Emma, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That'll be DAVENPORT, Mark. It's also a fave of poshos from Northern states in America (eg. my fashionista grandmother, who instead of pronouncing St Louis as 'Lewis' like all Americans, said 'Louie').

In the Classless Society that is the good old USA, some idiots refer to Comfort Stations (the same people that used to ask if their children, whom I babysat, had passed BM). My mother freaks out if I say toilet, preferring 'bathroom'. Grandparents always said 'washroom', the poshest of these said it warsh-room (but as you've probably inferred, this gran could have given William F Buckley a run for his money with her Locust Valley Lockjaw). In Britain, scatalogical terms/abbreviations for The Facilities are class markers, I've found. I say loo or toilet, depending on the company I keep. If I'm in a very posh house I find where it is before I need to use it, then just excuse myself. I actually know a posh woman from services family who says she's off to spend a penny. With friends, we try to be as gross as possible. I've taken my kids to the pool, parked my breakfast, taken a leak, and other impressive Jim Roylisms. Gawrbless Ricky Tomlinson!

suzy, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think it was the incomprehensible Fay who said it:

the word is BOG.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Blimey! You mean it's a real song? I always thought that my father had made it up on the spot to make fun of me. The loo in the back wing of our house in Connecticut had a lock which stuck. I was stuck in there for hours once. Though, I suppose, it being America, it would have been a baaaathroom. I remember upon first getting to the States, an occasion on which I nearly sat down and cried because no one would tell me where the loo was.

Kate the Saint, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Itwas a real pleasure to use the space age atuo toilet in Bsoton. THose germas realy shit in luxury. Also, what of buh-days (sp) ? Classic or dud? No more wiping! Just pat dry!

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It seems to me that Canadian Scout Stevie ’s version is a corruption of a rathe r more innocent song.

This latter link has some terrible midi business going on for anyone who doesn’t know the tune.

This is my first attempt at the scary blue links. If they're wrong, I'm sorry.

Tim, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cor! I like the innocent song. I dinnae like the other one much, though.

I wonder if Hopkins, unlike most, will tell how he did the blue links.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pinefox, type the following:

<a href="http://www.nme.com">This</a> is a link to NME.

You should get:

This is a link to NME.

Voila! You have mastered making links. Just surround the text you want to link with the bracket tags and replace the NME URL with the URL for the page you want to have come up in the browser.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whenever I have to take a dump I usually say that I need to "use the head" or that I need to go "make room."

JM, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Now that WASN'T MY FAULT. It was something to do with inopportune line wrapping or something. The link still works though.

Nick, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

James, 'the head' marks you as US preppy; it's a boat-owner reference. If it's your yacht, feel free to use the head ;).

suzy, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am well aware of the origins of the term, thank you.

JM, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'It snapped up and ruined her feminine gender'? That's disgusting! And how could 7 people get locked in the lavatory, is it one cubicle or are they trapped in 7 neighbouring cubicles? It makes no sense.

A bigger problem than what to call the lavatory is the danger of the locks on the doors at other people's houses e.g. most couples I know who live together have no lock on the door and have clearly lost any mystique in their relationship. But to inflict that on your guests is not on.

Emma, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Incomprehensible???? !|\|(0/|\PR3|-|3|\|5!bL3

Mr Pinefox, how could you???

(blubs) x0x0

Norman Fay, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is a couch/sofa/setee/sectional also known as a DAVENPORT? Why of course it is. BUT, far more often around here, it's a CHESTERFIELD.

Gotta go ride the porcelain bus!

Kim, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Goodness! My dearest mommy used to sing that song to me, the innocent one. Wow. That's amazing. Anyway. My favorite regionalism for take a leak: "make a branch" (as in, of a stream/river)

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
Mustapha Leik!! ( Bernard Bresslaw,Carry on Follow that Camel)

Rodney Reason, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Time to go take a shit!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You mean Loveseat is a Canadian thing only? Wonky.

Mr Noodles, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey! I never saw this thread in INTERWEB EXILE. Tommy and I have been known to say "pissoir" in a very stupid and pretentious Franglais/Talking crap hybrid that I'm sure none of you lot would stoop to.

As for the other one, we sez "front room" for whot other ppl say "living room".

Parlour is reserved for TATTOO PARLOURS one of which my MA took me to today!!! HELP!

Sarah, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
While "brown dog barking at the back door" and dropping the kids off at the pool" are classics, in the US (the 'classless society as previously mentioned) we prefer "sinking the Bismark" and "launching a torpedo".

Maybe it's just carryover from WWII GI humor - where, incidently, using teh "head" had nothing to do with posh yachts.

BTW - It's a 'couch' if it's in the family room, sofa if it's in the living room (otherwise known as the 'museum' as no one every sits in there), a love seat if it only accomidates 2 people (versus 3 on a sofa).

'Nuff said?

deano bannino, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

whilst toilet is a definite non-u no-no.

Used to be. I think it's increasingly classless. Lavatory is antiquated genteel. Loo is modern genteel (and what used to be called 'sloaney' in the 80s).

David Inglesfield, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd just like to point out that in the second dirty version of "Oh Dear What Can the Matter Be" posted by dear Nickie, the line "but somehow she got stuck 'tween the bowl and the rim" is used, in effect, twice. Ignoring the physical impossibility of such a circumstance this lyric recycling, especially of a song that's quite long enough already, is unacceptable.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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