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If you were me, what sort of job would you do? You've been working in market research for a few years and are quite good at it, but a bit frustrated. You do a lot of marketing and communications stuff informally, and handle some of the press. You write a lot about music in your spare time but have never tried to make it pay. You're 28, almost 29, and handy with all the usual computer stuff. You've got a blue-chip education and degree on your CV and good references. You're a scruffy bastard and chronically disorganised but bright and sociable when the need arises. You don't regret joining the corporate world but you're disenchanted with it. You're me, in other words (quell your horror, those who know me).

I'm asking this not because I need a job right now or feel awful about my current one but because I do want to change my job and I've got no idea what I want to do with myself. Any ideas or suggestions welcomed no matter how apparently stupid.

Tom, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'll pretend that money's not a factor for the moment, too.

Tom, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er obviously I'm not the one to be giving major advice here, but what about taking some time off and trying to make the writing pay? Do you think you can?

Ronan, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

RULER OF THE WORLD. Or a large mulimational at least.

Cleaning lady?

Emma, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This makes me feel great about my own chances in the job market as I am certainly not even as good as that. How about you're scruffy, have good A-Levels and a years office experience within a busy central government policy making department HEM HEM. You also haf a good reference. But nothing else. God, I'm depressed.

Sarah, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

tom did you watch part one of THE CENTURY ANDTHE SELF last night? perhaps you cd become a well-paid freelance consultant on the political dimensions and history of PR, marketing, market research etc?

i don't know how you become a freelance consultant: presumably you just build up yr client base through your earlier jobs, then poach em all in one fell swoop

mark s, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A&R man. Or even profiteering music-biz Svengali.

Sam, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tomathon King!!!

Pete, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My pervy questionnaires would be better constructed too!

Tom, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We're Only Making Plans For Tom. He Has His Future In A Tiff With Peel.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Brain hurts.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have you ever thought about launching a print magazine, Tom? You've got marketing & editorial skills, a legion of fine writers & graphics folks clamouring to catch your eye, & great instincts about what's interesting about music.

fritz, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Become a lecturer! (that's what I wanna do, FuXoR the private sector!)

jel --, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thanks everyone for suggestions! (Keep them coming) Fritz - a print magazine strikes me as a license to throw away lots of money, but yes I have thought about it, not as a career though. Meanwhile I would happily do freelance stuff but I'm too shy/lazy to submit anything (and too indulgently enamoured of my freedoms online!).

Tom, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeah tom do a print magazine so I CAN DESIGN IT!!!!

ethan, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sounds like you've got all aces in the hole. How about Web Developer: you'd still be online; you can hide behind your monitor all you want; you don't need to work for a large corporation; you can use your contacts for entry into working with a music site/magazine. Sure the pay probably is lower than whatever you are getting now, but....

Bright side: women appeciate a musical tech genius.

Nichole Graham, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
At what age should one start thinking about a career? I mean I don't worry about mine at all, I'm still more concerned about the vague possibility of the Earth getting hit by an asteroid than I am about my CAREER, which if isn't really going anywhere. Do you have a career plan? Should you have one? I tell myself careers are for other people...

jel -- (jel), Monday, 22 March 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Why should you have to think of having a career? I used to regret not having a career path, but now I have decided I like making enough money to live on and a job that gets me through the day without making me want to kill myself. My life outside of work is nice, and this combination is enough for me.

Also I have bugger all chance of a career, having a ramshackle collection of crap temp jobs and a useless degree to my name (though obviously any potential employers googling here should know that I am reasonably intelligent, hardworking etc etc etc)

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 22 March 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

my career plan: sleep my way to the top.

mandee, Monday, 22 March 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking of posting about this today as well. But people here have given me advice in the past and I have mostly dismissed it (so don't put too much effort into this). I don't really think there are any good options. I've stuck it out (as a city employee in Philadelphia) long enough to be vested in the pension plan, only to find out today that the mayor is planning on seriously trashing it.

My savings amount to practically nothing. If they were significant, I probably would have bought a house by now. On the other hand, maybe it's good that I haven't. It might be time to get out of Philadelphia before it goes under any further.

My skills: whining and feeling sorry for myself.

xpost: I have decided I like making enough money to live on and a job that gets me through the day without making me want to kill myself

I would love to have that!

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 22 March 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That's not a joke either, although it doesn't make me want to kill myself everyday just maybe 50-75% of the days that I work.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 22 March 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to sleep my way to the top or the bottom.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 March 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

when I was in college I was all about generalizing, but now i realize: THE MONEY IS IN CONSULTING. working for a law firm i get to see all the invoices from experts and such. and HOLY SHIT do they rake in a ton of money. we had an invoice for some accountants who charged us about $11,000 to read a couple hundred pages worth of materials. so in short: go to college, specialize in something like science or some shit and make that money.

(un?)fortunately for me Im crappy at math and whatnot so I went the route of majoring in a subject i found interesting and finding a decent job I actually like that doesnt pay much, but is fairly rewarding.

the choice is yours.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 22 March 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno about specializing in accounting. a lot of that shit's being offshored to india these days. a trend which i honestly see happening on a large scale to the legal field as well (it's already happening on a small scale).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to switch careers and get back into graphic design again. Except this time I want to focus on print, not digital (i think) and do it proper by going back to school for an art degree.

How I'm going to pull it off is still a big question though. Thus far I've wasted many years training for and trying out different things.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

well, theres more than just accounting. there's other things like forensics, private investigating, etc. but you do have a point there. id be wary about pursuing degrees in computers and engineering. maybe some of the more technical aspects of business school.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

long way of saying: if i don't have my own law practice w/n 5-7 years, i'm outta this fucking field. let the credential snobs have it for themselves, if they don't get their jobs outsourced to swami patel & gandhi in calcutta.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

haw haw ... better yet, i should become a consultant to law firms, and tell 'em to outsource all those overpriced legal jobs to calcutta and beijing.

FINAL REVENGE FOR NOT MAKING LAW REVIEW!!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
I need a new career. Pretty serious layoffs are occurring at the library where I work, on top of many accumulated unfilled vacancies of people who have retired, taken promotions, etc. There is reason to believe that the department I want to move into is going to slowly go down the drain. There's not a whole lot for me to stick around for, except that it's a job, and I don't have a plan. I could get a job in a different public library system, but I'm not to excited by the prospect. (Job conditions have nevertheless improved a lot in important ways since the posts I made earlier on this thread.)

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not worried about being laid off myself, since I've been here a while and that counts for quite a bit.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thankfully not in your boat in terms of things going down the tubes but the chance is still strong I'll be looking for another job after June -- the refusal to reclass the job upward, regardless of budgetary woes or the lack thereof, is starting to grate a bit. Still, stranger has occurred.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

im applying for a job.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what's going to happen to Philadelphia in general. There are a few things to be optimistic about (the Barnes Foundation's likely relocation to the Parkway; the potential parwaky Calder museum; the--yes, ironically--new library the city is planning on building; casino gambling, although I think the last is a two-edged sword), but I don't see our local economy improving substantially for several years at least. Help is not going to come from the national level, for the time being.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

phil-two, where?

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never had a job.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

This life thing is too much work.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

this big magazine needs junior writers with um, insiders perspective, to report on nightlife, music, fashion trends, etc. the job description said something about having to go out to a lot of events at night. which is something i do anyways, so might as well get paid for it. so i guess its not really a job job. i hope i get it

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Where is my trust fund?!

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

cover letters suck

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I needed this thread. I need help. I thought I wanted to go to graduate school for math. Then I realized that math, while challenging, is SO BORING and doesn't matter to me anymore. I sort of want to go to graduate school for something because I like reading and learning stuff. I'm not cut out for jobs in business/industry really. I've thought about becoming a librarian, but that seems like it would become boring and depressing after a while. I don't know what my question is, actually.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I have thought about becoming an expert. Like maybe if I finally learned Spanish and Arabic I could pass myself off as a multi-cultural collection development guru. I think I might be able to pull that off even, except I'm not sure there's enough of an audience for it. (Collection development is being outsourced in many places, semi-automated even. This might be on its way to my library.)

I could be a multi-cultural content consultant. "Needs more reggaeton. . . That's what young Latinos are into today, you know."

I could actually imagine myself in marketing, but I would feel like a slime, I think, unless I managed to get a job marketing something I really truly believed in and never had to compromise, and--yeah right.

x-post:

caitlin, being good at math is so far removed from my experience that it's hard to relate. So you were interested in it at one time, but now aren't? It sounds like you at least have a mind that would do well in a career that was very technical. It's maybe good that I don't have kids, because I'd probably be pushing them to be get as much of technical/scientific education as they could stomach.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Rockist: if a payout is on the cards and yrv been there a long time it might be worth taking, I just did this and the money was very generous. I now have up to six months to find a new job or even explore a career change and I love this opportunity. Also, if I get a job quick I have a ton of money for other things.

Not that I really know what I want to do now, mind :/

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thinking about going back to school for some sort of IT-related degree.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.totaljobs.com/images/headings/h_so_you_wannabe.gif

Cryptologist

If you have an excellent head for figures and enjoy intrigue, the burgeoning field of information security - from making codes to breaking codes and installing secure software systems - is opening up.

Cryptology, the science of disguised and hidden communications, is a relatively difficult field to enter, requiring an excellent grasp of mathematics. There are two parts to the field, cryptography (breaking codes) and cryptanalysis (making codes), but few businesses employ 'straight' cryptologists. Opportunities are, however, opening up, in the related field of information security, designing and implementing secure operating procedures.

What skills and abilities do I need?

A good grasp of maths is essential, with the obstinacy to tackle problems without losing heart, stubbornly working through possible solutions.

What training and qualifications do I need?

There are few formal qualifications available in the cryptological field, but an increasing number of institutions are offering further courses. A degree, often a doctorate, in mathematics or computer science is a prerequisite, usually a first or upper second.

The University of London's Royal Holloway College offers a high-regarded masters degree in information security, the first of its kind offered in Europe. Competition for places is tight, with an upper second in mathematics, computer science or a related subject necessary. Visit isg.rhbnc.ac.uk for further details. Internationally, the University of Leuven in Belgium and Waterloo University, Canada, are both renowned for their cryptography courses.

I'm a late starter, can I change direction?

Consultants in information security often enter the field later in life, having had experience in a related field, such as computing, cryptography or mathematics. Firms often send experienced staff on the courses, funding the training, but a solid background in related subjects is essential.

How much can I expect to earn?

Salaries depend on where you are employed. Salaries for academics and in the public sector are comparatively low, but in the private sector they rival those for management consultants, depending on seniority.

Where do I look for work?

Cryptographers are often recruited by government agencies, such as GCHQ, straight from university, for highly classified work, but there are positions for researchers advertised on www.iacr.org, the web site of the International Association of Cryptologic Research. Cryptographers and information security specialists are also required by most large companies, from KPMG to Hewlett-Packard, which have an in-house information security team.

Can I work abroad?

The world of the cryptologist is an international one, and there are opportunities internationally, both in academia or in the private sector. Open jobs, as opposed to closely guarded government cryptography research, are advertised internationally.

Where can I find further information?

The International Association of Cryptological Research has information on events, international contacts and jobs in the field. Visit www.iacr.org for details.

If you are interested in pursuing a career in cryptography, take a look at Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography, which can be deciphered by the layperson but still goes into the subject in depth.

There is a comprehensive page of links at www.swcp.com/~mccurley/cryptographers/cryptographers, ranging from other cryptographers to current projects and other pages of links.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, hey, hey! I know from reading conspiracy theory novels that every time you encounter a cryptographer, you are about to RUN INTO A BIG NASTY HORRIBLE CONSPIRACY WHICH IS ATTEMPTING TO RULE THE WORLD!!!

But then again, it might be helpful to know a lot about cryptology should this actually happen... hrmmm.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm not cut out for jobs in business/industry really." = work for the government? maybe.

Also, regarding further study, if you are good at maths then ecology (and the life sciences in general) need you.

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i just sent in my resume to Playboy. they're hiring a PR assistant

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

ecology?! (i'm minoring in physics and philosophy and haven't taken any biology since 10th grade). explain more, though?

by "not cut out for jobs in business/industry" i mean...i like to fuck around. i don't wanna dress up for work or show up the same time every day to do the same thing. i guess i'm not cut out for employment of any kind.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Ecology is a 'soft' science with lots of information and lots of uncertainty. Some ecologists are trying to use modelling and such forth to understand patterns and predict long term trends e.g. in fish stocks or how global warming might change plant distributions and growth. However lots of people who get into ecology or biology are not very confident with maths or statistics and so don't really understand the potential or limitations of those models. There is a need for people who can do the modelling bit.

Another thing which I always wanted to do but wasn't good enough at maths and physics for is meteorology. I think that would be fascinating. Similar sort of thing I guess.

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, the one thing about math i hate the most: modeling. differential equations are boring, messy, and dumb. actually i really hate everything!

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd like to read more books.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i like graphic design, but i think i need to move. how is working in design in places other than los angeles?

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Friday, 14 January 2005 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
hm.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 28 July 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

My advice to anyone ever stuck in this dilemna--get over yourself and your bullshit "ideals" and "convictions", grow the fuck up, put on a tie, cut the emo hair & shave off that patchy goatee (because it looks shitty anyway) & take the job that offers you the most money and vacation time.

Money can't buy happiness, free time can't buy you happiness, but money + free time can.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

I miss lolita corpus and her fine tights. Well, I believe she wore them.

youn (youn), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, after all my "who needs a career, blah blah blah" nonsense upthread, I now seem to have fallen into a career as, erm, an employment adviser. (a job I got two months after posting that)

Who'd have thunk it, huh?

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)


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