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Did you like this movie?

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 21:56 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUjy1Dhx-k

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 21:57 (seventeen years ago)

jaymc thought this thread was about the magazine.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:18 (seventeen years ago)

(i'm betting.)

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:18 (seventeen years ago)

You're right.

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:21 (seventeen years ago)

nice. you owe me $5.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:22 (seventeen years ago)

this movie is no Quigley starring Gary Busey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ILwrVPnR4M

chaki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:23 (seventeen years ago)

xp
That's such a weird thing to predict, though!

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:23 (seventeen years ago)

i know! it just sort of appeared in my brain.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:26 (seventeen years ago)

Chaki, that movie looks A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:26 (seventeen years ago)

you gotta see the whole thing

chaki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)

i'll be over around 9

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)

I thought this was about the James Woods movie!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:38 (seventeen years ago)

It's about a hottie Nazi, or "hotzi", who is also Jewish. This is where you go OMG.

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:40 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkCeMz4q7rg

latebloomer, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)

Man, check out the director, Henry Bean:

How do you feel about the way the Holocaust and the Jewish experience is portrayed onscreen? Is the film, in any way, a response?

In some way, it is. It's not like I sat there and thought of it as a response, but implicitly and intuitively, I'm very uncomfortable with the fact that the Holocaust had become an industry. That the Holocaust is now a genre of filmmaking. That the Holocaust has become really the religion of so many American Jews. That's the form their religion takes: it's about their slaughter. And I think it feeds into the conflict in the Middle East — this competition of martyrdoms: who's going to be a bigger martyr? Why are people bragging about how much they've suffered? Why shouldn't they be ashamed about how much they've suffered? I hated the Roberto Begnini film. And I hated, for similar reasons, Schindler's List.

You weren't the only one, from the reviews I remember.

In many ways, those films are about triumphs of the human spirit — and where the Holcaust is concerned, there should be no triumph. It's a catastrophe, and to make it upbeat is horrible. I've read that Schindler's List has convinced some doubters that the Holocaust existed. There's an irony in that: in some way, it's almost a form of Holocaust denial. It doesn't deny that it existed, but it denies what it was. It pretties it.

Have you ever seen a depiction you liked?

I don't think so. I liked The Passenger. The thing is, when I was a kid, there was nothing on "the Holocaust." There wasn't the word "Holocaust." Nobody called it that. It was 1973 before someone used the word "Holocaust" in conversation with me. I don't want to say it was invented — it was a real event — but it's been invented as the cultural phenomenon that it is.

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:58 (seventeen years ago)

I agree with most of what he says there, but I think the last sentence could just as easily be said about the Revolutionary War or slavery or Vietnam or almost any massive historical event that takes on cultural significance.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:10 (seventeen years ago)

lol, he was the screenwriter for Basic Instinct 2

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:18 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, HAW!

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 15:03 (seventeen years ago)


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