What kind of President will Barack Obama be?

See, I thought that just everybody dug Fareed Zakaria. But I may have been thinking of Mary Higgins Clark.

this book is v high on my reading list

what else is barack post-

will he be the first post-impressionist candidate

i think the dude in that piece makes good points all around & i do not understand the purpose of this thread

Was Clinton a Post-American President? He at least talked about the need to prepare the country for the new century, and spent a fair amount of time building political capital overseas, though how much that was for himself vs the country I'm not sure.

i think he will be the first post-bush president

also the first real post-2008 president

which dude would that be, 'deeznuts'?

i think he will be the first post-ILX President

first post cereal president

michael shaw. if yr trying to have a serious discussion about this i think its very necessary to explain whatever the fuck it is yr talking about, ie max otm

doez, I have said nothing indicate that I am trying to have anything other than a serious discussion. While the title of this thread is quite clear, it is a purposefully open-ended question and there is no need to provide any further definition on my part. Perhaps it will help if you understand that the link in the original post is merely one sort of thing that I think might be discussed in this thread.

first president who posts up

http://bigheaddc.com/images/obamahoopsagain.jpg

"post-American" totally a winning term to be advancing among the general electorate, I'm sure the vast majority of American voters will be totally down with it & won't just write their own definition of what the term might mean & use it disparagingly & probably effectively - really stoked to see such a useful term getting out there

that is v v true, j0hn. i don't believe the intention (and perhaps it was a mistake) is to advance the term among the general electorate (though it may be to advance the notion among NY and DC types). if O does make it a theme of his campaign, I would think he would do so in a fashion somewhat akin to Bill's Bridge-to-the-21st-Century schtick. i intended this thread to be about after the election, the implication of the huffpo piece aside, but perhaps it is also appropriate to discuss pre-election-day matters here.

the way the use of the term might be effective in a campaign is, rather than to embody/signify the global change that is anticipated, to warn about it and position one's self as better-able to strengthen the country in advance to ensure long-term specialness

GOBnebb i was being hostile because i assumed this thread was about either mocking the author of that piece for an admittedly retarded headline which may or may not have been his & because when i see someone in the know as much you seem to be say something like "im not sure whether he was trying to advance his or his country's interests" about a politician i assume its sarcasm

also because im pretty sure we had a thread like this like 2 weeks ago but thats not yr fault if you missed it

xp the term will never be effective in a campaign jesus christ man

no, deez, that would be my fault if i missed it. link?

what are barack obama's flaws?

not terribly similar since im kind of dual-projecting on both these threads (ie i really want to try to figure out what kind of president hed make) but you shd at least find it interesting if you didnt see it before

thx, i've seen it

this thread is not intended to catalog Obama's 'flaws', though I'm sure there will be some contributors who envision flawed consequences of his election

possibly the same kind Al Gore has been.

lol

-_-

He will rival Woodrow Wilson and Jimmy Carter as worst presidents of all time

guess whos bizzack

so better than bush is what you're saying.

xpost.

i think he'll be pretty rad

xpost About the same as W.

Just different. But the same.

if assholes could fly this place would be a landing strip

i thought IACFTPWBAA was banned?

why would I be banned exactly? Because I voted for Hillary? Has ILX gone THAT far? Wow.

two recent Cockburn columns on Obama the Obeisant Shill

for me, it isn't a matter of "waiting till the real obama appears," it's a matter of sussing out just who the REAL obama IS.

-- Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:53 (2 years ago) Link

eisbar's manchurian candidate. he's never gonna figure out who the REAL obama IS, because obama thinks he'll get more done that way. he's a process guy. and maybe he really isn't committed to certain substantive matters in the way you hope he is. but he understands that as a matter of process you don't show all your cards in a poker game, and you don't make demands on people, whether they're state sponsors of terror or just Republicans, before you sit down at the table with them. this is why, for all of hillary's knowledge of the personalities and the levers, he may get more done than she would.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/06/obamas_economic/

dude hired Jason Furman

you know, gabb, i really don't appreciate being used a strawman in yer never-ending quest to be ILXor's ultimate obama groupie.

I would love to think that gabb is 100% right about this one. (Withholding judgment is so much harder when you're dying to make a positive judgment.)

i think obama's just dandy but the idea of a "post-american president" is dumb.

Yeah I can't see Mr and Mrs Bitter Moran being down with that due to their own anxieties about idea of America somehow being under threat 24/7.

Also that's if he gets to be President. We'd all be foolish to underestimate GOP venality WRT elections and bad faith virals but their 101st Flying Keyboarders do not use spell-check, which I find helpful in my efforts to detect them in the first place. They will be on the Kubler Ross five stages thing for awhile and that process unfortunately means us lancing the buttboil of racism on people who don't think they are racist but could not conceive of "taking orders from a black man" for some deep seated reason that's not racism, or so they keep swearing blindly. Would that we could say fuck 'em, just fuck 'em to people like this.

I would like to avoid at all costs the subject of boils on butts, but I think what suzy's saying is that the (R) party will be more than willing to play the race card, and have done so in the past so effectively that even a lot of lol white liberals didn't notice. Not in time to spin it back the other way, anyway.

I would love to be able to solidly believe that this is a democrat year, that these things tend to go in cycles and the disgust with Bush is just too big to elect this simpering pandering baseless moral-less unhinged crazy DUMB piece of shit fucking asswipe fucking FUCK of a withered bitter power-grubbing cynical SOULLESS old man. But you know what? I think we've got about a 50/50 shot right now.

so what's this nonsense about Obama supporting another government "rebate"?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/147763?from=rss

Emily Bazelon reads the tea leaves of those law exams

Marc Ambinder asks: Will a President Obama's relationship with a Democratic Congress be more like Bill Clinton's relationship with Democrats in 1992 or George W. Bush's relationship with Republicans in 2002?

"question of the jour" is a cute header

some of us don't remember what those "relationships" (is there a noun whose assorted contemporary meanings are more ridiculous?) were, because it's not important.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_interrogations

encouraging indications

“She was following every word, nodding a little, her eyes flickering with his words.” When President Obama described Ms. Giffords opening her eyes for the first time, “Michelle closed her own eyes briefly, pantomiming her husband’s speech a little, showing the relief her husband was expressing. She did that sometimes, acting out the words he was saying during his speeches, as if she could give them some of her animation and help propel his message across.”

By the end of the speech, Ms. Kantor writes: “The expression on Michelle’s face was one of deep satisfaction. He had given the kind of speech she knew he could give. The look on her face said: this is the president I wanted you to be.”

double bird strike

The flurry of reviews and excerpts from the Kantor book have made Michelle much more complex (and liberal) than Barack.

can we vote for her?

so is Laura Bush

Laura Bush is a pot smoking librarian, still not sure how she ended up w/GWB.

"Is it not obvious that the worst of all is the absence in the White House of a robot capable of governing the United States and preventing a war that would end the life of our species?" Castro, 85, wrote in one of the "reflections" he often publishes in Cuba's state-controlled media.

Under the title "The Best President for the United States," Cuba's ex-president said that if faced with a choice between Obama, a Republican rival or a robot, "90 percent of voting Americans, especially Hispanics, blacks and the growing number of the impoverished middle class, would vote for the robot."

I'm surprised how little participation there was in this thread in 2009, when it was revived at the time of the inauguration.

Because we already knew what sort of president he was going to be.

Under the title "The Best President for the United States," Cuba's ex-president said that if faced with a choice between Obama, a Republican rival or a robot, "90 percent of voting Americans, especially Hispanics, blacks and the growing number of the impoverished middle class, would vote for the robot."

http://www.imsai.net/images/war_image/wopr.jpg

they should have had a competing computer called something like the Battalion Generating Mission Center and had the two of them fight

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obama-robot.jpg?w=500

About the same as W.

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, May 22, 2008

for the win!

I don't know what other thread to put this in (doesn't belong in the election series) so I'm putting it here. Emphasis mine.

JD: There’s an economic piece to the support for Trump that might have nothing to do with race. Particularly with the first African-American president, it’s very hard to tease out what is about race and what isn’t, and what’s about race that Donald Trump doesn’t even have to overtly appeal to.

Obama is the first president ever to have a delinking between consumer confidence and approval rating. As the consumer confidence survey numbers have gone up, approval rating for all presidents have gone up. This president, the consumer confidence numbers have gone up and his approval ratings have not gone up.

So the question political scientists John Sides and Lynn Vavereck pose is how much of that is race. And if you look at the map of the voting that took place in the South for John Kerry in ‘04 versus Barack Obama in ‘08, you see a much lower percentage of the vote among whites for Obama in the South than for John Kerry. Those are the latent ways in which race is a part of this race.

Nothing remotely surprising. Sides' Monkey Cage post about the consumer confidence index vs. approval ratings is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/05/obama-thinks-he-hasnt-gotten-credit-for-a-growing-economy-hes-right/

https://twitter.com/coolmcjazz/status/796787848104054784

i keep wondering what they said in private