What do you want? .... HOUSE!

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I want a new flat! We are going to look at some on Saturday, believe it or don't! I phoned up an estate agent lady and everything. It even seems to be affordable! No doubt the sweet things the adverts say are LIES ALL LIES, but mmmm I want STRIPPED WOODEN FLOORS and STYLISH ATTIC CONVERSION (ie poky dusty hovel) HOORAY!

Plea to boardz:

What type of things are you suposed to ask estate agents who could quite well BE INTIMIDATING?

Sarah, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And do I haf to dress smartly? I guess you should ask about bills, and council tax NGGGG.

Sarah, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Starry - I'm world champ at this - hopefully I can help. But it's not clear - are you buying or renting?

Oh and they're not intimidating, but they are two-faced, lying wankers in the main. I've met one or two who aren't, I suppose, but it's rare.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

D'oh! Renting. Although it feels like I'm throwing money down the train, there's no way I could afford to buy! I actually had a nightmare the other week after reading the Evening Standards Homes & Properties section about never getting onto the property laddxx0r. I NEED HELP. In many senses.

Sarah, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

where are you moving to Sarah? i'm considering a move at the moment, before the house completely falls down

gareth, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

These two are in Streatham, which isn't IDEAL, but neither is it dreadful either. I supose we'll see the state of the properties when we get there - but TBH anything has to be better than our current flat. It looks at a rough guess to be abt 10 mins by bus from Brixton tube and it's also nr Streatham Thameslink. Wouldn't be bad. I just don't want to be had by any hidden charges or whatnot - I've never found anywhere through an estate agent before.

Sarah, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

a friend of mine lived around there Starry ad it wasn't bad at all, around the top of the hill? near the bus garage? his was the house (shared by 5 of them) that had the pool table in the front room, and a bar.

chris, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Run the taps and the shower. Ask about hot water. Hmmm lots. Mention you work for the Government (that impresses). Check is it gash or lectricity.

BEST TIP: Drink lots of coffee before you go. People are much more likely to pick you if you smell of coffee.

Pete, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Corr blimey, that sounds pretty spanking! Mmmmm, own bar. I would haf my own BAR BILLIARDS table!! Yaaay! It's past Streatham Hill station if that's what you mean... CRIKEY, near the ICE RINK! I might go and have a look round there to gauge it's ways pre-Saturday.

Sarah, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Of course there is another ILE-r who lives in Streatham....

Pete, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DANGER NOW!!!!!

chris, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What can I say Ptee and Cabbage it must be an UP AND COMING AREA which I will like living a PEACEFUL and NON MENTALIST life in oh yes.

Sarah, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Service charges.

Bill, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Recommended pre-viewing viewing: Career Girls (1997) by Mike Leigh. Not all that relevant, but still.

PM, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What do you mean by that, Bill?

Sarah, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have everything ready in case you decide you really want one of the places you see: one week's rent money for deposit, details of bank and employer for references, possibly a letter of reference signed by employer. Ask what the non-rent outgoings are and whether things like gas, heat and hot water are inclusive. Notice if anything is broken or a bit shoddy and note it so it gets repaired or at the very least not blamed on you when you go. Bring a notepad and paper and try to look efficient.

Steer well clear of landlords who seem friendly on first impression or judgemental in that Thatcher Voter way; they will be the ones who turn up at random times to just check on things, invariably when you are sat on the balcony enjoying a nice fat spliff or are in some other form of disarray.

suzy, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Our landlord seemed friendly on first impressions and has cunningly maintained that pretence for over 2 years, with evil schemes such as bringing me duty free fags, almost never putting the rent up and fixing things almost before we mention they are broke. And he got me a new mattress in about 5 seconds flat.

Emma, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Estate agents, as I have found out to my cost, are the lowest form of scum sucking, slime dwelling bottom feeding brainless idiots. They are the type of person that in an earlier age evolution would have taken care of by having them torn apart by wolves.

Estate agents no so little its pointless to ask them any more than how much a place costs. They often have trouble describing the place or even where it is.

They should all be towed out to sea and scuppered.

I must go. I have to talk to one of these obsequious but dims.

Ed, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Emma, you struck it lucky with your landlord. Mine, when he appears, brings me duty-free too. I was complaining about the Xtian buy-to-let parvenus that owned the flat I used to let in West Kensington. They affected my decision to share with a former dominatrix who had HANDLES on her bed and didn't blink twice when I asked her if they were 'for the straps'.

Ed is right about estate agents - it foxes me how they are able to even dress themselves of a morn, much less market and sell houses. I've decided it's mostly down to the desperation of all the other concerned parties to get it over with as little complication as possible which gets houses bought and sold. Also I am pretty horrible to deal with if you are an estate agent - I know the areas I'm looking in like the back of my hand and I think the term 'ex-local authority' mighty pretentious, especially as used by the kind of crims who work at Black- Katz letting agency (where I first heard the euphemism employed and so clumsily I could see the inverted commas hovering in midair).

Whatever, the only intimidation you should feel is HOW EXACTLY these people can LIVE and PROSPER while being so incredibly THICK.

suzy, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My Childhood Best Friend's little sister is an estate agent for Foxton's, posh people's estate agent, and she is absolutely lovely. She deals with the rental side and gets to meet nearly as many famous folk as Suzy as she was renting a flat to Jason Donovan (or something like that).

Emma, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Suzy's advice is generally v. sound, but I think she's being mighty optimistic in suggesting you'll only need a week's rent for a deposit. Estate Agent landlords quite often want a month's deposit PLUS a month's rent in advance. It's a v. good thing if you can arrange yr rent payment date to coincide with yr salary payment date.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Foxton's are 'posh' in the same way that Victoria Beckham is 'posh.' Faron Sutaria, now they are posh.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

more obvious tips - remember your A-Z (would probably need it anyway to find the place) and look for useful places, tube stops etc in the vicinity. also go for a wander round the area to look for shops and stuff.

our landlord is nice although a little disorganised - he bought the place to live in, but ended up living elsewhere so rents it out. however the agents (David Philips on Crouch Hill) who were finding tenants for him were bastards - telling us one price when we looked round, and then when we came back later in the week the rent had mysteriously gone up and they denied ever having said the former amount.

michael, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well I always see Foxton's signs outside expensive looking houses / in expensive areas hence my assumption that they are posh.

Emma, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Foxton's explanation: Emma and Pete live in a no-go pizza delivery area, so for them anywhere with windows intact is posh.

N., Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ask about the neighbours, ask about the landlord, ask about who does the repairs and how long ti will take, ask what the previous tenants were like and why they moved out, ask about the changes in rent - has it gone up or down; ask if they rent other properties in the building, etc

Queen G, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suspect Suzy was talking about the holding deposit (which normally = one weeks rent) rather than the deposit you pay on moving in. Critical questions re landlords/agents: who is responsible for the maintenance and who do you contact to report faults? If these are different people, be very wary. In the first place I ever rented we had a great deal of trouble getting anything fixed because although maintenance was the landlord's responsibility, we could only (officially) contact them through the agents. As a result it took ages to get anything sorted due to massive amounts of buck passing and general communication breakdowns.

RickyT, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In fact it seems we are in an up and coming ex-council estate as in recent weeks 3 different companies have all delivered pizza to me. So there. And no broken windows either.

Foxton's have offices on Park Lane for god's sake! How much posher can you get!

Emma, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mayfair, if you go by Waddington's Monopoly

michael, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My sainted aunt (on a bike), so holding deposit = one weeks rent, then ON TOP of that a months rent for DEPOSIT deposit + months rent in advance?! CRIKEY I hope my parents are prepared to dig deep into their pockets to lend me money. I'd best get this NEXT new job I applied for (University of London this time, interested folk).

Sarah, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the holding deposit should be part of the month's deposit Starry, it's just to show willing etc.

chris, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Phew!! See this is why I need help, I had no idea such a thing even existed!

Sarah, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fret not, Starry. Or at least, don't fret quite so much. The holding deposit is usually subtracted from the amount of proper deposit you have to pay. Tho that still leaves the months rent + 4-6 weeks proper deposit...

RickyT, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have never had to pay a holding deposit! Only ever a month's rent as deposit which we have managed to get back by using means even more nefarious than the landlords themselves would use to try to withold it.

Emma, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not paying the last months rent?

RickyT, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Emma's having a spelling mare today.

N., Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So if they ask about a holding deposit, do they need that on the very same day?

Sarah, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I cannot spell when I am sugar deficient. And I am building up to my holiday and too excited to spell properly.

Emma, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

usually, but question any fees thaey may try and foist on you very strongly. Watch 'em they can be shifty

chris, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

CRIPES - are there any fees they are legally entitled to charge wot I MUST pay? Anything I should be looking out for as a SCAM? Crimeny this is hard work.

Sarah, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

so called admin fees, sometimes a letting agent will tell you about themm in advance, sometimes surreptitiously add them to the bill. If the latter try not to pay, I've done that before after I threatened to complain to the meneger, it seemed like it was just a scam to get a little extra out of the naive students, fortunately I was wise to it as a mate had warned me.

chris, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm the one having the spelling mare today.

chris, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

University of London: excellent! One of my college roommates is finishing up a PhD in computer science there. (He was the tall thin Asian guy with glasses who showed up at the KoC the night I met London ILE.)

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Holding deposit: one week's rent, usually in cash. GET A RECEIPT. The agent then takes the property off the market and runs reference checks on you. When those are satisfactory, he will ask you for the remainder of the month's rent plus your first month's rent. If they are unsatisfactory and you don't get the place, he has to return the week's cash deposit. If you flake out, he keeps the week's rent.

Service charges: under no circumstances use an agent who tries to charge you handling fees or service charges - agents are being paid 10 per cent of the year's rent by the landlord to let and manage the property, so are getting enough compensation for their services already. There are also professional bodies you can report them to if they try this on. See my comment on Black-Katz above.

As to the poshness of estate agents, they're not (and I've seen Foxtons signs on all sorts of places, including hovels I wouldn't quarantine a dog in). At least not usually: they strike me as being terrified of proper posh people and OH MY GOD can they brown-nose for Britain. However, they won't actually lift a finger to call you when they actually have something of interest to you.

suzy, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When I said service charges, meant that electric, water etc might be seperate. also if in big building full of flats they might charge extra for bits and pieces. And yeah, landlords make inventories of exactly what is in the flat and what condition it is in before anyone moves in so they can charge if things change.

Bill, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fuck letting agencies/estate agents etc etc as you will no doubt be paying at least 20% on top of yr deposit/first month's rent, they'll fuck you for whatever they think they can get away with. go for private lets, much more straight forward, also means you can usually contact them much easier to sort stuff out, innit.

oh, and come and join the CROUCH END MASSIVE innit ;)

CarsmileSteve, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
I've got a chance for a big room in a big house in Streatham. (I'll be commuting to Northampton Square.) Should I take it?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean Momus calls the area "glauque" so already I'm enamored!

Marcello? Sarah?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

NO! Don't do it!

Not that Streatham's all bad, but it is a pain to get to late at night, and you'll never get any of your college friends out there.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 August 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha "college friends" oh dear.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer, it's the arse end of London

oops cross post wuith V, but it needs saying twice.

chris (chris), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, most ilxers wouldn't go there either.

If you want to live somewhere dodgy/scary, then streatham will suit you down to the ground. It isn't far from the centre of town as the crow flies, but it feels a hell of a lot further out.

God, did i really say 'college friends'?! apologies.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

No no don't apologize!!!! It's just a funny concept to me at the mo. Well HMMM. It's the first bite I've gotten and the price is REALLY right.... and it seems there is a skating rink!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think there is anymore. It was sold, and tescos were going to build a supermarket on the site. I think there was a problem with planning permission,and a campaign was started to save it, but I'm not sure what the state of play is at the minute.

I lived just a bit further in, at the top of Brixton Hill, and although I loved the house I never really took to the neighbourhood. Having prostitutes at the end of the road whenever I left for work in the morning, and being spat at by them late at night wasn't the nicest experience ever.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Streatham will be a big slog to your college every day. The transport south of the river makes everything seem much further away.

Ed (dali), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The price is right for a reason probably!

To get from town to streatham involves either an overground train from Victoria, or any of the Thameslink stations from KX down to blackfriars, or Victoria line to Brixton and then a bus. (there are a couple of buses that go all the way, but they take a long time, scnic though parts of the journey are) It's also in zone 3 which bumps the price up a bit. At night you're restricted to infrequent trains, when they're still running, then night buses, which can be interesting but lso infuriating - packed, slow, full of very drunk people.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

To be fair, you can go Streatham to Farringdon on the Thameslink and the last train from Farringdon is at 2258. So if you are near Streatham station it wouldn't be too bad but for getting home from the west end or anywhere else.

Ed (dali), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry cross post

Ed (dali), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Eeewwww Tracer, no. The transport links are so crap for EC1 you'll never go to college.

Vicky and Ed are absolutely correct about the unsuitability of St. Reatham on so many levels. It may be slightly more expensive to live in the centre rentwise, but you'll never need to shell out for a Travelcard (£75.30/month for zones 1&2; £88.80 for 1-3) which on top of a 'cheap' rent makes that Sarf London flatshare not too cheap.

(In other words, move somewhere near us!)

suzy (suzy), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I came to London to do a masters. I gave myself 4 days to find a room, and did actually manage it, but it was tough going. I didn't really know anyone else in London, so had no idea what areas to look at. (well I did know my ex-boyfriend, but we weren't on very friendly terms, and I managed to inadvertently end up living round the corner from him!)

You've got a head start being able to ask all the London ilxors advice. I ended up in Camberwell, which was ok, but transport links were even worse than streatham. I didn't mind though, because there was a bus that stopped a few houses away, and took me straight towards college, with a fantastic view over Wterloo bridge. If I could do it again though I would try harder to live closer in, as it's not going to happen now. Not necessarily next door to college, but zone one, or not far into zone 2.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 August 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't do it. I had a friend that had a squat in Streatham and after she moved there we never saw her again because it was too much trouble meeting up. You will totally be able to find something in Zone 1 for your price range. Just don't worry about it now and get temporary housing for 1-2 weeks and then grab Loot everyday to check on houseshares. I got a huge double bedroom in a house overlooking an herb garden in Hoxton for 310 a month in like 2000.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Also stay more east than west as you don't really want to be goin west east across the centre to get to school. It can be horrible in the morning. Draw a line from camden down through regent's street and stay east of that. Kentish town may be an alright option price wise and its on the thameslink, northern line and the 46 bus which would all be OK for school. My advice to you though, is to buy a bike. The closest busses to your college are the 4 and the 56, which go to finsbury park, via islington and highbury, and Whips cross via, islington, mildmay, dalston, hackney and clapton.

Ed (dali), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

depends on the people tracer, if its good people, take the flat. commmuting in will be no problem, people here are exaggerating, and you dont want to be blowing all your cash on rent. if you dont like it, you can move

gareth (gareth), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I would tend to agree with Gareth, only Streatham *is* a bit of a pain. You'd be much better off somewhere NE. Don't get fixated on zone 1. I live well into zone 2 and I could walk to your campus in about 25 minutes.

RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay last question about Streatham: what sort of accent would I pick up there??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Also 55, 19, 38, 63, 205, 214, 43, 243 are all good too.

Ed (dali), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

A SARF LAHNDAHN one.

Ed (dali), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

streatham is zone 3 i think? i think its good to find somewhere in zone 2 or 3, because then you get to see the city properly. if you live in zone 1 you wont get to see so much of the city, but a sanitized version of it

what is the context of the streatham place?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

an email from a friend, "big spacey house" (??) "double bedroom w/fireplace" 325 pounds sterling, 2 flatmates

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

streatham is zone 3 i think? i think its good to find somewhere in zone 2 or 3, because then you get to see the city properly. if you live in zone 1 you wont get to see so much of the city, but a sanitized version of it

Bear in mind where Gareth visits when he goes to New York.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, he visits my neighborhood!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)


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