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the herb nazias are getting to me

anthony, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cumin.

DavidM, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Peppercorns, especially if they're all crackly and chunky, and paprika. I love the paprika!

Kim, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is so 1997.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*kills Dan bloodily* Right, where were we?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, someone had to say it.

Ally C, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Try to meet everyone's expectations and look what it gets you. Hmph.

Dan Perry's Ghost (BOO!), Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dammit Ned, I was just gonna make a lame-ass joke about cayenne always being hot, but now you've ruined EVERYTHING!

Kim, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Comino and red pepper. thank you anthony.

Samantha, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i love cumin and turmeric and paprika and chilli powder and anything necessary for a good curry.

di, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

spices vs herbs vs condiments FITE

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oooh that's gonna get messy! i'd better take off my shirt!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

err..

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sumac, mostly. Though I've been going through a panchphoran phase.

Tomorrow I am going to attempt to make bese bele powder. Wish me luck.

Douglas, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

umm..... THE SPICE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

di, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This.

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mmm, sounds nice.

The Moroccan one is nice, I think it's called Ras al Hanout.

chris, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Herbs

N., Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tumeric (sic)

N., Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Black Pepper, cardamom, Mace, Salt, cinnamon, coriander seeds, ginger

Ed, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i vote for ginger too.

something with ginger and garlic is amazing.

ambrose, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have a freezerful of berbere, which is basically the primary taste factor in Ethiopian food.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four years pass...
talk to me about pepper.

Usually I like some fresh ground black and red on things. Yesterday I bought a "peppercorn medley" grinder and put it on my salad. hmm, not feeling it. Thinking the pink and white corns aren't doing it for me. Which peppers are good for what?

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

White pepper is great for ice cream

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

!!

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

White pepper ice cream, I mean. Trust me on this. It's great.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Chocolate ice cream + red pepper = awesome

max (maxreax), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, you're tastes might be too out there for me. although I love red pepper so much that I might be willing to give it a shot with the chocolate.

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

It's been cold so I've been getting chile and cinnamon hot chocolates recently.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Give it a try, but make sure it's good chocolate ice cream. It took me a little bit to get used to, and then I was addicted.

max (maxreax), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

white pepper ice cream OTM, tho I've had it more often with pink pepper.

My favorite spice is cardamom.

the wages of sin is death (Brian Miller), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not crazy about pink peppercorns. Nothing wrong with them, but they're expensive and I don't really get much out of them that I don't get elsewhere. No strong feelings about white peppercorns; when I have them in the house, it's because they're traditional in Cajun cooking.

I use green peppercorns more than black, probably because I rarely use pepper as a condiment.

Szechuan peppercorns are a whole nother game, as different from peppercorns as chiles are. But they're not in your medley.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, maybe they are? don't have the bottle with me. But this is a garden variety spice aisle thing so maybe nothing fancy.

wonder if whole foods has pepper ice cream. . .

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Also wrt to the thread, I've been eating alot of these recently:

Baharat:

1/4 cup black peppercorns

1/4 cup allspice berries

2 teaspoons ground cinnamon

I smelled some not-entirely dried black peppercorns still on the cob, or whatever that's called, this weekend, and that shit is PUNGENT!

1 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg

Za'atar:

1 cup sumac

2 cups roasted, ground sesame seeds

1/2 cup dried ground thyme

2 tablespoons dried leaf oregano

2 tablespoons dried leaf marjoram

2 tablespoons dried leaf savory

1 tablespoon salt, or to taste (optional)

Morrocan Spice RubM (great for roast chicken or skirt steak):

1 tablespoon ground coriander
1 tablespoon ground cumin
1 tablespoon ground chile powder
1 tablespoon light brown sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons kosher salt
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon caraway seeds, crushed
1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper

Five Spice

Cumin




M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Szechuan peppercorns aren't true peppercorns (though pink peppercorns aren't either) -- instead of being "spicy" per se, they numb the mouth a little, and can feel similar to mentholated stuff. They're cool, they're just not a peppercorn stand-in.

Not even sure what my favorite spice is. I'm trying to think of what I use the most, and it's probably allspice, but it's winter after all.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

M. White, sounds like you're ready for some ras el hanout:

4 whole nutmegs
10 rosebuds (dried)
12 cinnamon sticks
12 blades of mace
1 tsp aniseed
8 pieces of turmeric
2 small pieces orris root
2 dried cayenne peppers
1/2 tsp lavender
1 tbsp white peppercorns
2 pieces galingale
2 tbsp whole ginger root
6 cloves
24 allspice berries
20 white or green cardamom pods
4 wild (black) cardamom pods

Blend finely.

(recipes vary hugely; that's Paula Wolfert's)

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

Paul, sounds good. What is it used with?

Also, galingale? Never heard of it.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Galangal, mmmm. I load up on that whenever I can find it at Viet Hoa. No other aroma like it. It's like a mellowed-out ginger crossed with a woman's sex.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

There used to be a place on Rue Lepic not far from Rue des Abbesses that had loads of big open vats of colorful and aromatic spices from all over the world on the street underneath their awning. Just standing in front of that place was a poor man's world tour.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's great as a meat rub, or in couscous or rice dishes, or in a variety of places. I bet it would make a good ice cream too (as would smen, the heady Moroccan fermented butter).

Galingale aka galangal looks like ginger and you can find it in Asian shops (xpost -- Asian food shops). Some ras el hanout recipes "include over one hundred ingredients, some quite unusual, such as ... belladonna and Spanish fly."

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Galangal, I've seen. Cool.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing beats the smell of freshly ground cumin.

chap (chap), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Is there something different about the species, raising, or preparation of Mexican oregano from most oregano? I had some in pozole last weekend and it tasted less bitter but more aromatic, if that makes sense.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I need to buy a 2nd coffee grinder for my spices, now that I know a good source for whole spices in Tupelo.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Mexican oregano is a wholly other species. I'd say your description is right on.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I remember reading that it's very very different to European Oreganos, especially Greek, but then Greek oregano is blooming wonderful, unbeleivably fragrant, as is the lamb that has grown up feeding on it,

Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

wiki:
Although only loosely related to oregano, Mexican Oregano has a very similar flavour, albeit stronger. It is increasingly traded, especially in the United States. Its strong aroma makes it an acceptable substitute for epazote leaves if the latter are not available; this wouldn't work the other way round, though.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Cool. I love European oregano but the Mexican stuff was awesome in the pozole in a way that normal oregano would not have been.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Mexican Oregano's fantastic -- one of my favorite herbs, after or alongside marjoram (which I don't do much with but love what I do with it). Adding it to chili, beans, or anything Tex-Mex if you haven't had it before is almost like suddenly discovering cumin for the first time -- it fits that well.

(I'm making pozole next week! Just ordered the dried hominy yesterday.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Wikipedia should cite the redoubtable Gernot Katzer: "Mexican Oregano stems from the plant Lippia graveolens and is closely related to lemon verbena. Although only loosely related to oregano (Origanum vulgare), Mexican oregano displays a flavour very similar to that of oregano, albeit stronger."

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

(there was this Indian/Italian fusion place near my work that had some interesing pizzas, eg rogan josh, but it closed down before I ever got around to trying them)

Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Why not just top it with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich while you're at it, and some ice cream. Then deep fry it.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

"and if you like soda pop (I rarely touch the stuff), they have stuff from all over the country"

I pretty much never drink soda, but I do have a weakness for some of the stranger stuff - Dr. Brown's Celery Soda, for ex.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

(Also some of the Stewarts' like the orange or lemon creme...mmmmm)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Peach Slice soda is so good.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

"Why not just top it with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich while you're at it, and some ice cream. Then deep fry it."

haha - this reminds me of this "101 Omelettes" place in Sedona that had a peanut butter+jelly+banana omelette on the menu.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Er, http://www.yelp.com/biz/8OjM7sCPwMNnxOSyzd5GOQ

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

the spices they don't carry: sumac, grains of paradise, etc

Check under the "Speciality Spices" link. I buy sumac from them. But yeah, no grains of paradise.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, they do have sumac now! For a while they only had it in their zatar mix, which was weird (though maybe the best way to introduce it).

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

My zaatar kick kicked into high again recently.

Also I agree that potato on pizza is weird but it usually works, especially potato + garlic. But I am fully acclimated to west coast pizza now.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

Pasta on pizza = wtf. Bolognese sauce on pizza = suprisingly nice, if junkish.

I'm all about the orgegano at the moment as my herbs are growing like crazy in this heat/humidity. I've been cutting huge swathes off and drying it, and it doesn't even get to last, I end up using it within a week.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

I LOVE Bolognese sauce on pizza. Now that Saint Mark's pizza is shut, my favorite slice is the lasagna pizza at Muzarella Pizza on 14th and A. Bolognese sauce, ricotta, and basil.

Laurel (Laurel), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

Would any of you consider fresh dill to be spicy? Or have you heard of cases where people perceived it as such (in the same way that, for instance, some people perceive cilantro as tasting like soap or something).

I made a salad with fresh dill in it for my family the other night and my 7-year-old flipped out about it. He screamed and said the salad burned and started guzzling water. It's the only thing I could think of that was out of the ordinary for our salads, although I have cooked with small amounts of dill at times.

I perceive dill much more as a flavor thing than providing any sort of heat. I'm a little perplexed.

rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)

I don't know, I don't experience dill that way but I've had things that hurt me, that felt like pinpricks into my flesh, that don't bother other people. Like that fluoride rinse dentists used to give us? Burned the hell out of my tongue, mouth, gums, everything. They never understood why I struggled against swishing it around for 5 mins.

So...it's possible? Put it in something again and see if he notices?

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)

eight years pass...

I bought a lot of the Spice Ace spices and blends before they went out of business. It was an amazing store, SF is lesser without it

Their book of spice blend recipes has been an interesting continued connection. I have since bought maple salt and granulated maple sugar to replenish my supply of the Vermont Maple Savory blend from them that I loved

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:42 (five years ago)

the recipe includes fenugreek, which I don't think I've used before

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:49 (five years ago)

i use the dried leaves more than the seeds but fenugreek seems to be cool, interesting herbaceous flavor

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:50 (five years ago)

Pepper is such a workhorse most people just take it for granted, making it about the most boring 'favorite' spice. So, in order to avoid sounding as boring as I am, I'll specify cumin. It is wonderfully aromatic and ghee loves it.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:57 (five years ago)

xp I saw that one of the Spice Ace blends calls for fenugreek leaves as opposed to seeds, I had not heard of that as a spice before.

Maple salt and granulated maple sugar are great and I will use them for other recipes in the future

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:59 (five years ago)

agree cumin is an essential spice

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:03 (five years ago)

minced or granulated chervil, chives, onions, garlic and ginger are great spices but they don't last that long so use them up

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:15 (five years ago)

the dried fenugreek leaves are a secret weapon in palak paneer

call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:18 (five years ago)

want to experience that

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:26 (five years ago)

I have loved using paprika lately, both sweet and smoked, also saffron soaked in hot water as an infusion in rice

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:27 (five years ago)

fenugreek is magic. for a long time i didn't have the leaves and used the seeds in curry and it was fine. i found a recipe today in one of my books for a kidney bean stew with a lot of dried fenugreek, like a cup or something? i have a lot of favorite spices though.

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:33 (five years ago)

can't believe I wasted my allspice joke on a non-spice related thread yesterday

the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:58 (five years ago)

saw the post above years ago about za'atar. it is an amazing versatile spice blend and easy to make, you just need to have some sumac, which is worth seeking out

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 03:24 (five years ago)

dukkah is another really great spice blend, and the NYT has a good recipe for it

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 03:33 (five years ago)

za'atar is wonderful

boxedjoy, Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:27 (five years ago)

I've been making a regular dish of spiced fried potatoes using fennel seeds, cumin seeds, turmeric, paprika and cinnamon and it is positively life-enhancing, especially with a hangover

boxedjoy, Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:28 (five years ago)

yes to fennel seeds and cumin seeds! both equally wonderful in hot dishes and salads

Regard the timeless piano balladeeress! (breastcrawl), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:56 (five years ago)

i got ajwain seeds the other day so i can put them in naan, love all those seeds

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:58 (five years ago)

A teaspoon of fennel seeds in the dough gives a great boost to cheese scones, too.

trishyb, Thursday, 24 September 2020 21:01 (five years ago)

are ajwain seeds the same as carroway seeds?

I really like vadouvan, it is a mixture of fried shallots and fried garlic, smoked serrano and New Mexico chiles, black and yellow mustard seeds, as well as small amounts of turmeric, cloves, nutmeg, cinnamon, coriander seeds, cardamom seeds and cumin seeds, ground

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 23:08 (five years ago)

are ajwain seeds the same as carroway seeds?

no

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 September 2020 23:13 (five years ago)

Seven spice togarashi is the shit

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 23:18 (five years ago)

Vadouvan is great, I’ve used it on root vegetables before roasting them a lot. I like frying eggs in Berbere butter.

JoeStork, Thursday, 24 September 2020 23:23 (five years ago)

togarashi and berbere are two of the spice ace blends I bought before they went out of business and haven't used yet. I have been going through recipes and am looking forward to trying them both

Dan S, Thursday, 24 September 2020 23:37 (five years ago)

i am still working through a pretty large quantity of berbere i got from an ethiopian store near me and this is my favorite use for it, ignore the brand placement and weird duplication of ingredients, i linked to the print so you don't have to scroll through acres of recipe blog garbage https://www.daringgourmet.com/wprm_print/45604

superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 25 September 2020 00:06 (five years ago)

I have a couple of 5-teir well stocked wall mounted spice racks with a load of goodies, but when it comes to blends I'm pretty boring (especially now in Rona era I order everything from supermarkets and don't visit the local Asian one anymore) and tend to stick with popular ones like hot tikka curry powder, garam masala, five spice and not forgetting paprika and onion chip seasoning for the truly sophisticated bon vivant! I love the aroma of fennel seeds or cumin seeds frying in hot butter with onions.. mmm.

calzino, Friday, 25 September 2020 00:26 (five years ago)

I haven't found red lentils at the stores I've visited near me, only green and black lentils, but that looks like a really good recipe.

clarified butter - ghee or niter kibbeh - is something I've read about for years but have never actually experienced

Dan S, Friday, 25 September 2020 00:33 (five years ago)

oh yeah i forgot about that, you can use ghee or butter or oil in this. i made my own niter kibbeh but i ran out of it.

superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 25 September 2020 01:05 (five years ago)

berbere is so good, maybe my favorite higher-heat spice blend. i rarely get to use it since my spouse won't do much spicy food. i used to use it as a hash brown seasoning...always thought that berbere potato chips were a winning idea for that lays potato chip contest where they let people propose flavor ideas.

call all destroyer, Friday, 25 September 2020 01:13 (five years ago)

I have a hard time resisting putting smokey paprika into everything. I also need to find more dishes that have toasted anchos and chipotle.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 September 2020 01:16 (five years ago)

to revive the mayonnaise thread, smoky paprika is great in potato salad. Asafoetida is a really mysterious spice. I bought some and am not sure how to use it. It's kind of repulsive honestly, but from what I’ve read its pungency dissipates with cooking, blending in as an onion or leek flavor.

Dan S, Friday, 25 September 2020 01:20 (five years ago)

yeah, you just have to cook it in fat and it normalizes. i use it when i'm following indian recipes but it seems like it would not have much of a following if not for the folks in india who avoid onions and garlic.

call all destroyer, Friday, 25 September 2020 01:33 (five years ago)

i just bought that for a cabbage recipe, i had some a long time ago and i think i let someone borrow it and forgot to get it back. it really does stink! even just picking it up at the store i smelled it *in my lungs*

i went to h-mart and i saw fresh fenugreek so i got it. it's unexpectedly peppery.

superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:33 (five years ago)

Asoefetida is great imo. Always put a dash in my chana masala

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:37 (five years ago)

four months pass...

After a year of quarantine cooking and baking, I have opinions!

As far as entrees go, cumin is my MVP -- it's central to both Mexican- and Mediterranean-style recipes.

For baking/sweets, I love cardamom. I don't use it much because I want to make it last, but its spicy coolness is kind of remarkable.

RandPaul's Drag Race (Leee), Monday, 1 February 2021 21:54 (five years ago)

I just planted some dill and summer savory. I use the former all the time, not sure what I'll do with the savory.. Bulgarian stew?

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:17 (five years ago)


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