i just drank a huge iced coffee too. jesus why does my brain check out every time i have something important and the slightest bit challenging to do?
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:00 (seventeen years ago)
here is what i'm supposed to write about:
-Self-Assessment of Capabilities, Career Objectives & Personal Goals -Describe Academic Background, Professional Skills, and experience and how you have utilized them in various work and living situations -Major events that have influenced your outlook on professional and quality of life issues -Personal and/or professional accomplishments that illustrate your ability to master new challenges; leadership and teamwork abilities -How your participation in Executive programs would enhance your skills and meet your aspirations for growth
YAWN
i don't know how i'm supposed to include all those things without it being a meandering mess of bullshit. also re: major events that have influenced your etc etc how personal am i supposed to get? the major "life event" that has influenced me is my father going to jail, but i don't know if that's appropriate to write about?
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:03 (seventeen years ago)
smoke a bowl and this is a piece of cake
― Surmounter, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:04 (seventeen years ago)
try to avoid phrase "trolling for cock"
― Kerm, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:05 (seventeen years ago)
omg
― Surmounter, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:05 (seventeen years ago)
do u have anything yet?
― Surmounter, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:08 (seventeen years ago)
ok i will scratch "trolling for cock in the global marketplace" of my list of potential themes
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
i think you're on your way
― Kerm, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
i have a microsoft word document open and have typed the question in ha
Ah, grad school. Survive. Seriously.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:11 (seventeen years ago)
next step: pick out some great clipart
― Surmounter, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:11 (seventeen years ago)
what are you applying for?
― Kerm, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:12 (seventeen years ago)
you should make sure you write this in comic sans
― La Lechera, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:15 (seventeen years ago)
otm
― Surmounter, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:15 (seventeen years ago)
omg comic sans all the way.
i'm applying to an MS in finance program kerm.
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)
also talk about yourself in 3rd person as much as possible, preferably all the time and sans pronouns, so you sound more like a machine than a gendered human.
Possible first sentence: Bell_labs is about to blow your mind with stories of personal growth.
― La Lechera, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
Find an existing letter and start by modifying the points it makes. Then rewrite the entire thing.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
^^^ This is how I write a program in a computer language I am unfamiliar with.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:46 (seventeen years ago)
10 WANT GRAD SCHOOL 20 GOTO 10
zomg la lechera you are killing it
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
i aim to inspire (i am a teacher)
― La Lechera, Saturday, 7 June 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
don't write it to fit all those points. give them some bs story about how you've grown/matured.
― bnw, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:13 (seventeen years ago)
right now i have most of an opening paragraph about how religious exegesis (my BA was in religious studies uses the same skills as financial analysis. "As unlikely as it seems...." etc etc blarrrrrrrrrgh
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:31 (seventeen years ago)
hey, that's a start! just remember to keep your confidence up. http://www.dryidea.com/images/dryidea/home.jpg
― La Lechera, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:41 (seventeen years ago)
Tell them that bell_labs has had a dry idea and it is to go to grad school.
― La Lechera, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:45 (seventeen years ago)
instead of writing about exegisis, go creative: write an ode to vertical striped shirts, cropped haircuts, and 20lb wrist watches. travel the course of the metro north line and catalog your observations. research the origin of "pound it brah".
― burt_stanton, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:48 (seventeen years ago)
is that what you wrote your law school one about?
― bell_labs, Saturday, 7 June 2008 23:16 (seventeen years ago)
yup, I'll sell it to you for 50 burt bux
― burt_stanton, Saturday, 7 June 2008 23:29 (seventeen years ago)
poor bell ;_;
writing this kind of stuff is basically my worst nightmare.
― Rubyredd, Sunday, 8 June 2008 00:24 (seventeen years ago)
burt where can i get my hands on burt_bux
― max, Sunday, 8 June 2008 00:27 (seventeen years ago)
Interviewer: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" Interviewee: "Celebrating the 5-year anniversary of you asking me this question." -Mitch Hedberg
― calstars, Sunday, 8 June 2008 02:50 (seventeen years ago)
ok it's done. im reading it one more time and sending it out. it's ~900 words...too long?
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)
do i send a cover letter with an application? no?
― bell_labs, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:31 (seventeen years ago)
At least you have bullet points to fulfil mine is :
What are your reasons for undertaking graduate study at Carnegie Mellon University? How do your experience, your education and graduate training in E&TIM, and your future career plans relate to each other?
How do your experience, your education and graduate training in E&TIM, and your future career plans relate to each other?
― Ed, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:34 (seventeen years ago)
nah brah (xpost)
my personal statement was boring as shit and i got into both programs i applied to
― n/a, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)
My grad school personal statement was the longest thing I had written in about two years. I banged it out, idly searched online for personal statement advice, and discovered that I had broken basically every rule out there. This was followed by a crisis of confidence, painful revision, and wondering if the academic mindset was totally gone from me.
This is all to say, bell_labs, I feel ya.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)
I didn't send a cover letter but I have no idea if some programs expect that sort of thing.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)
Personal Statements!
― haitch, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:41 (seventeen years ago)
this is brutal...
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 00:49 (sixteen years ago)
i feel like this is one of the hardest things i've ever done
and it's only 250 words min.!!
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 00:50 (sixteen years ago)
What sort of program are you applying for?
lame tip, but it might help: if you're stuck, try writing up a paragraph that follows the CCAR format (context, challenge, action, result)
― I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:13 (sixteen years ago)
library science. question is fairly open - career goals & how the program will help you achieve those goals
i'm not actually familiar with CCAR... what is it?
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:26 (sixteen years ago)
i think it's the fact that the question IS fairly open that makes it so challenging.
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:28 (sixteen years ago)
It's basically just a template for discussing examples of how you achieved a goal, usually career related, in the past. Succinctly, you discuss what the problem was (challenge), what you did to try to solve the problem (action), and your glorious success (result).
― I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:29 (sixteen years ago)
i wrote a teaching statement (write about teaching for like 1-2 pages) recently. it took me about three months. brutal.
― caek, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:31 (sixteen years ago)
xp - i see. i've used that fairly often in job interviews and the like.
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:33 (sixteen years ago)
you're right that it's the openness of the question that is the hard thing
― caek, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:36 (sixteen years ago)
yea. also "making it interesting so that the search committee remembers your application"
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:39 (sixteen years ago)
I tried to be all funny and clever and interesting in one of my grad school personal statements, and that ended up being the only place that rejected me. Advice: don't try to draw some life lesson out of the experience of being the shortest kid in school for 8 years. Unless the person who reads it was also the shortest kid in their school for 8 years, you will get rejected.
― I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:47 (sixteen years ago)
lol
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:51 (sixteen years ago)
For the record, in my other personal statements I made my best impersonation of what an overachieving boring asshole would write, and it worked.
Sometimes life is overwhelmingly depressing.
― I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:54 (sixteen years ago)
yea, i could write it relatively easily if i was just upfront, straightforward, and dry about it... and i imagine this might be okay.
but would this attract the level of attention necessary to make the search committee "remember my application" or paint a unique picture of me beyond the other 90% of applicants? f these online advice columns from former search committee members. they're really messing me up and making this harder than it should be
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:58 (sixteen years ago)
dunno about lib. science but when I read apps (for grad app or for faculty jobs) I skip all those personal statements, teaching statements, whatever. I want their letters of rec foremost, then their cv and whatever work they send me to evaluate, if any.
― Euler, Thursday, 12 February 2009 02:15 (sixteen years ago)
you just broke something inside me i think
― Lamp, Thursday, 12 February 2009 04:20 (sixteen years ago)
stop worryin homey
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Thursday, 12 February 2009 04:22 (sixteen years ago)
i got so sweaty over those secondaries! dont tell me you dont even read them!
― Lamp, Thursday, 12 February 2009 04:23 (sixteen years ago)
it's cold! maybe if they had funny pics I'd look at them, but otherwise everyone writes such similar bullshit that they provide little information. I figure the best they can do is give the department reason to talk to you about in an interview, should it come to that.
― Euler, Thursday, 12 February 2009 04:29 (sixteen years ago)
haha. i think with certain graduate programs, the personal statements probably don't mean much, as euler says. for a couple years i was seriously considering graduate study in philosophy, and every faculty advisor told me that the most weight is by far on writing sample (different from personal statement) + letters of recommendation. GREs and GPA are used for weeding out people, more or less, depending on the department. personal statements, for phil grad programs at least, are simply to sketch out an idea of what you want to study are aren't supposed to blow the minds of the admissions people.
tho for the library science program to which i'm applying, people actually in admissions told me that a lot of weight is placed on it. there's no writing sample and the only other stuff i have to submit are transcripts, letters of rec, and a resume. i don't even have to take the GRE b/c thankfully my college GPA was over 3.0, which is a huge relief.
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 04:35 (sixteen years ago)
it's coming along now. just started flowing out late last night and now i have something to work with.
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:00 (sixteen years ago)
i don't even remember what i wrote for this thing but it was probably pretty boring and i got into both library science programs i applied to so i wouldn't sweat it too hard ... which program are you applying to?
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:22 (sixteen years ago)
braggin 2009
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:28 (sixteen years ago)
backdoor braggin 2009
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:32 (sixteen years ago)
1) when i applied to swarthmore for undergrad (a school i wasn't that interested in), i winged off a personal statement about how i wanted to go there because none of the dudes in the brochure looked like they shaved that often and how that was something i could really get behind, being unshaven. i got in.2) for med school i talked up my weaknesses (no research, background in lol humanities, rock band, etc), and i think that actually helped. \(°_°)/
BB09
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:37 (sixteen years ago)
n/a - simmons
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)
hey, i work with a couple people in grad school there! they're studying history and archival management, i think, which is probably an overlapping program with library science to some small degree.
the personal statements are brutal because it's like "well DUH my career goal is to be a librarian," right? i wrote a few a couple months ago and had to just grit my teeth and state the obvious in as much detail as i could muster. and then people told me it needed "more emotive language," so i tried to add some of that, although i hate writing about myself and i especially hate writing about my feelings. anyway, i got into one so far, so it might work!
― Maria, Thursday, 12 February 2009 20:17 (sixteen years ago)
Wtf does 'more emotive language' mean?
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 12 February 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)
Enh, everyone could always go to grad school in Canada instead, where personal statements only need to be a page long and are pretty easy to do, at least as far as humanities is concerned.
― salsa shark, Thursday, 12 February 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)
"You didn't show why you LOVE this field with all your heart! What THRILLS you about it! How you first got interested! Use examples!" I hate the form of personal statement that goes, "I have always loved reading books, so now I want a PhD in English as the natural result of my adoration of the written word," though.
― Maria, Thursday, 12 February 2009 20:25 (sixteen years ago)
I hate the form of personal statement that goes, "I have always loved reading books, so now I want a PhD in English as the natural result of my adoration of the written word," though.
yea srsly.
but isn't this b/c with you need to provide a writing sample, too? it's pretty much the same with american programs in humanities (or phil. as my experience was), personal statements are only a page, but writing samples are expected to be 15-25 or so (and are expected to be very, very polished)
the reason that more weight is placed on the personal statement in my current situation is b/c the program isn't requiring a writing sample. tbh tho, as hard as it is writing this personal statement, it helps that it's only expected to be 250-500 words and i suppose i'd much rather write up that than slave over a 15-25 page writing sample to make it incredibly polished.
― mark cl, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:14 (sixteen years ago)
it's not making me want to go to sleep it's making me want to jump off the balcony
― jabba hands, Saturday, 16 January 2010 01:43 (fifteen years ago)
jesus why does my brain check out every time i have something important and the slightest bit challenging to do?
― bell_labs, Sunday, June 8, 2008 5:00 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:37 (fifteen years ago)
^^^
― Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)
can't wait til they invent mind reading machines so that when you apply to schools you just go and sit and they zap your brain and the machine decides whether or not you're fit to be accepted
fuck washing a personal statement
― dayo, Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:40 (fifteen years ago)
I dunno, writing my statements has been kinda fun (in a perverse, obsessive compulsive way).
This week, though, in which I'm going to have to start cold calling professors for reference letters, ugh, whole 'nother story.
― EDB, Thursday, 7 October 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)
I am going to apply for a different grad school program so I get to call the three profs that wrote me letters in March and say, "Hey, can you do that again? I promise I won't ask you a third time in February."
― The Ten Things I Hate About Commandments (Abbbottt), Thursday, 7 October 2010 17:47 (fifteen years ago)
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― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
Not a personal statement, but having to write about myself in general = urrrrgh
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
I guess that IS a personal statement, maybe I'll just write that
why does my brain check out every time i have something important and the slightest bit challenging to do?
Brain vapor lock may be due to your brain being asked to make choices and decisions that appear vitally important, but for which you may not have the smallest piece of useful information upon which to base those choices. It is like starting across a mine field without a map of where the mines are laid. Your mind naturally balks at starting such a hazardous exercise. Doing nothing seems safer than doing something.
The key then is to laugh it off and realize that you cannot do the task wrongly, because doing it wrongly supposes that there is a right way, and someone knows what the right way would be. They don't. The people who will be reading this will be just as clueless about the whole matter of what's right or wrong as you are!
― Aimless, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)
That's an Aimless post par excellence if ever I read one
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)
that's a great post and that kind of attitude has taken me far
― Veteran of the psych bid wars (los blue jeans), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/07/15/422590257/medicine-law-business-which-grad-students-borrow-the-most
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 July 2015 14:11 (ten years ago)