i just got in a fight with my boyfriend about me blacking out last night

I don't remember ever blacking out.

it's like, i remember the booth. there's the booth. and there's lauren. everything else? i don't know. what was i saying to lauren?

i just

don't

know

and now i want a bacon egg n cheese.

I gave up drinking in 2002. The last time I blacked out, I single-handedly attempted to trash the restaurant we were in, resulting in me being physically thrown out by the waiters. The next thing I remember is standing on the pavement wondering where the hell I was.

aww

I've only blacked out once, and though a lot of hilarious stories came out of it (and the friend who carried me home forgave me immediately for throwing up on his shoes), I think it's best avoided. The "I don't know" part really does suck.

The "I don't know" part really does suck.

OTM - Coming back from a bar I once blacked out five minutes walk from where I was living, the next thing I know I'm standing in the middle of my room and it was a hour later. Fuck knows what happened in that time - probably I just staggered around drunkenly while people avoided me, but to get home I would have had to have crossed two main roads.

surmounter if you blackout regularly youve got some issues w/drinking that absolutely need to be address

ed

*lalala not listening*

I've had small unknown gaps of, say, ten minutes before, but I had my first legit blackout a few months ago when this girl I was sorta seeing and I were walking from a party back to my apt. We were less than halfway there when suddenly she's says, "Is that clock right?", and I realize it's 11:30 am, we're in my bed, mostly clothed and really, really hung over. I must have been thinking ahead because there were already two untouched glasses of water next to the bed that weren't there before. According to her, on the walk back I had pinned her up against a wall somewhere and we made out. We tried to identify the wall later, but no luck.

I'm sometimes loud, too, when I start approaching blackout drunk, but mostly I'm really excitable and try to dance with people/myself/everything.

i don't know jhoshea i kind of think that blacking out = alcoholic/drinking problem thing is a myth. sure if you get blackout drunk a couple times a week and if that is your goal from drinking, that's bad. i know alcoholics who will actually black out after just 2-3 drinks or so because they have just trained themselves to do it (maybe?)

but sometimes drinking that much just sneaks up on you. if this is something that that happens accidentally a few times i don't think it's that big a deal. unless you are endangering yourself/others when you get in that state, driving a car, etc.

it does sneak. all of a sudden bing bang boom wasted/.

i also think i've started blacking out more as i get older; i can remember in ridiculous nights when i was 20 and drank so much i couldn't stand, but i tend to get "brown outs" when i drink a lot now where certain things seem familiar but i can't remember the details. i kinda think it's just senescence or maybe my drunken escapades being just the same boring conversations i have normally.

i feel like i know so many problem drinkers that i feel like as long as i'm not pissing my bed or getting in fights with cops i have nothing to worry about.

also i like finished the wafers in the house when i got home. i'm supposed to be eating healthy.

yah i hear ya bell. no cops, no probs?

i can remember in ridiculous DETAIL nights
sorry

Yeah, booze b sneakin. That was my Wednesday night.

Holy jezus.

that blacking out = alcoholic/drinking problem thing is a myth

getting that wasted on even a semi-regular basis definitely catches up w/you over time, though.

blacking out.

he just loves it cuz then he gets the chance to be all "oohhhh u need to calm down BLA."

-- Surmounter, Sunday, June 8, 2008 8:54 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

bell wtf look at this sounds like something thats happened more than a few times ^^^

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surmounter if you blackout regularly youve got some issues w/drinking that absolutely need to be address

-- jhøshea, Sunday, June 8, 2008 9:27 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hey and this ^^^^

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its all fine and good to be challenging received wisdom abt alcoholism but u might want to consider the situation first

i mean i'm not in the gutter every night, but i hear ya.

also worth considering: getting wasted and pissing yr loved ones off could be a drinking problem in itself

mom?

yes come over here and lik my balls lil kermy

okay thanks mr rogers :D no yes that's the worst part about a blakout: the love gettin pissed

yeah sure, that's true as well. people can get pissed if they end up having to take care of you all the time.

i go through periods of being an awful drunk but it's always when i'm single it seems.

let me be clear here i drink all the time. i have no problem w/habitual drinkers who can hold their shit together. but if yr constantly indulging in sloppy bullshit its worth thinking abt changing what yr doing.

also i seem to keep ending up with guys who prior to me dated serious barf all over their bed alcoholics so i am like a ray of freakin sunshine in comparison

yeah sloppy bullshit is busch league

i have to be honest: i'm usually one of the hold-it-together people. but there are times when i'm not. but i've only barfed on my bed once in my life, and it wasn't good...

less preachy blahh blah more sweet drunk stories

once when i was drunk i got really freaky with a gogoboy

ha the only time I ever puked from drinking was after a cognac-drinking contest w/my then new-boss. ended up in my tiny bathroom on the toilet w/my head in the sink, "both ends burning" so to speak (tmi, sorry)

i still drink but had to cut back on getting real drunk about five years for health reasons I'll spare you guys. but I have several close friends who are in a weird space now as middle-aged heavy drinkers. they're not alcoholics in the clinical/classical sense but it's definitely a problem.

one time i was drunk then the next day i was on the internet and there was a retard asking for omg awzom stories

also i seem to keep ending up with guys who prior to me dated serious barf all over their bed alcoholics so i am like a ray of freakin sunshine in comparison

-- bell_labs, Sunday, 8 June 2008 13:52 (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

um, maybe you're just a continuation!! :(

I've probably blacked out... BUT I KANT REMEMBER. BWAHAHAHAHAHA. GEDDIT? urgh, okay, move along now, silly joke of today has been made.

how heavy is heavy drinking would you say? as i'm getting older i'm starting to feel bad about having 5 beers on a wednesday for no reason, but i think my internet addiction is much more shameful.

xpost to m coleman

I blame the one time I puked on eating ice cream, not the endless amount of alcohol I consumed beforehand. Actually there was also that other time I drank so much and puked... and wanted to go sleep IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. Sadly I didn't black out then, oh the shame. :-(

"how heavy is heavy drinking would you say? "

three pounds of wheat

b_l, to me heavy drinking would be measured more by how many nights a week you get smashed rather than how many beers in a sitting. but I'm no measure of sobriety, i still have bad habits inc. a nasty internet jones

It's pretty seldom that I puke, but seriously only once? (xxp)

that i remember LOL

that same night I came on to a lesbian, wish I would've blacked out that memory

haha

i wish i'd blacked out MORE from 92-95 because the bits I remember aren't very pleasant

ive never puked from drinking - once from a bad cheese sauce - that is all

i hav iron stomach

no, noodle. i actually first read the title as 'i just got in a fight with my boyfriend about me backing up last night'

So many possibilities.

basically i think that every time i get on a plane, it's going to crash or blow up or whatever. i've been know to start crying when turbulence occurs.

Me too. I now have Ativan on hand every time I fly. I've never drank with them though because I think that can be bad. Right?

I'm afraid of taking anything on a plane because of the motion sickness.

yes, it's bad in the sense that you'll get totally loopy and very intoxicated. and you'll probably forget things. i understand now why famous people get in trouble at airports/on planes for hitting staff or just acting inappropriately.

yeah bell sorry to cheese you off but "myth" is just some ripe bullshit. sure: most anybody can black out, it could conceivably mean you just overdid it. once yr into "blackouts" plural it means you're repeating a behavior that ended in an undesirable result = classic addict behavior. I know this sounds moralistic to ppl but it actually isn't, that's sorta some weird societal baggage ppl bring to talking about alcohol.

I think what we're all nitpicking over is exactly how plural and... fuck it I dunno. For me personally, my drinking is so infrequent that my tolerance is nil, making it very easy to overdo it with just an extra beer or two. I just have to pay closer attention to how much I've eaten, slept, learn one of these days how to count, etc... I dunno, maybe what I'm saying is actually argument for my drinking being an even more volatile problem...

john do you feel like your music has engaged you in a reckless lifetyle in the past? did it help your music? do you feel like it makes it ok to be a drunk if you sing pretty when you're off the handle? (that's an expression right?)

yeah john but in the same post i said "but sometimes drinking that much just sneaks up on you. if this is something that that happens accidentally a few times i don't think it's that big a deal. unless you are endangering yourself/others when you get in that state, driving a car, etc."

surmounter didn't say how many times he blacked out or how common it was, but people are told all through highschool/drug education if you black out one time, omg you're an alcoholic get into AA now is kind of misleading.

eh pretend that last sentence makes grammatical sense

sex, drugs and punk folk

and herpes

Well, the problem is that the difference between a person who drinks too much occasionally and a bona-fide alcoholic isn't exactly super-clear-cut. A sentence like

i feel like as long as i'm not pissing my bed or getting in fights with cops i have nothing to worry about.

can't help but set off some major alarm bells, though. Most of the raging alcoholics I've known aren't doing this stuff either, but whether or not you wet the bed doesn't make a lot of difference to your liver. (Kidneys, on the other hand...)

Where would I actually read up on this?

Google search for "blacking out and alcohol" and "Jellinek Phases" and you'll find all sorts of links.

Here's a chart someone made of the Jellinek Phases, including onset of blackout:

http://www.coe.ohio-state.edu/pgranello/Substance/jellinek.htm

"Drinking with inferiors"

a couple of bumps in the bathroom will usually cure the blackouts. y'know, in case you don't have enough problems as it is.

Yeah, that struck me as a very odd wording as well.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean but it's a tiny aspect of a bigger theory. Jellinek's Wiki entry says he disclaimed the chart but not his underlying research.

"drinking with inferiors" made me think of mars bar.

It makes me think of Jeeves in Wake Up, Sir! by Jonathan Ames.

haha lauren i thought the exact same thing.

i mean, really... what was i thinking.

I want to turn that chart into a song or maybe a concept album

You could make it a double album, the first disc for the first three phases and the second disc for rehab.

rock opera.

regular old opera.

rock oprah

john do you feel like your music has engaged you in a reckless lifetyle in the past? did it help your music? do you feel like it makes it ok to be a drunk if you sing pretty when you're off the handle? (that's an expression right?)

no man I wasn't making music when I was living that life. I started making music after I stopped trying to kill myself.

that's stedman's job kerm.

wall in the middle of the street

You'd think it would have been easier to find when they went back.

haha i know

where the fuck is my wallet

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and my keys. it's like... i got in the door

the most information i have is a receipt from "Pizza express"

For all it's harbinger of doom connotations, blacking out can be a little funny when it results in your friend finding a personalised keyring with a photograph of the two of you looking completely ossified on it.

i just had to call HSBC to put a temporary block on my CC. she was like asking me security questions. "where was the last atm you used"

"somewhere in manhattan"

"i need to know the exact location"

"manhattan"

I lost 2 wallets and a phone in the first 3 months of this year, I feel yr pain surm.

i just found my wallet, keys and umbrella in a neat pile on my bathroom floor.

That reminds me of an old housemate who couldn't find his watch the next morning after a drinking session, then I went out and found the watch on the front step.

Took me a few hours to find my glasses today, which considering they were in plain sight all the time, was a bit shit.

i haven't had a total blackout night since january; i apparently yelled a bunch of ridiculous incoherent shit at some girl i had just met and had been hitting it off with. her name's kaitlin, later she told me it was funny, if a bit loud. she said i howled like a wolf like 30 times.

You! You were Conor Smedley the whole time!

that morning i woke up face down on a dude's floor with my glasses completely crushed underneath me, my shoes were in the back yard, being rained on/in

xpost HA!!!!!!!!1

that last post was a lie, actually i woke up naked in a field with blood all over my face

my friends have since accused me of being a werewolf, to be fair; that night was a full moon! also i really have woken up before naked with blood on my face but that wasn't from wolfing out.

Alcohol can have a dramatic impact on memory. Alcohol primarily disrupts the ability to form new long–term memories; it causes less disruption of recall of previously established long–term memories or of the ability to keep new information active in short–term memory for a few seconds or more. At low doses, the impairments produced by alcohol are often subtle, though they are detectable in controlled conditions. As the amount of alcohol consumed increases, so does the magnitude of the memory impairments. Large quantities of alcohol, particularly if consumed rapidly, can produce a blackout, an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events. En bloc blackouts are stretches of time for which the person has no memory whatsoever. Fragmentary blackouts are episodes for which the drinker’s memory is spotty, with “islands” of memory providing some insight into what transpired, and for which more recall usually is possible if the drinker is cued by others. Blackouts are much more common among social drinkers than previously assumed and should be viewed as a potential consequence of acute intoxication regardless of age or whether one is clinically dependent upon alcohol.

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