goddamn smirky eyebrow-raised badass poochie cartoons nowadays

excellent thread idea!!! i was just complaining about this to someone last week

shrek was the death blow

so wait is this convo mainly about TV shows, or summer tentpole animated features, or both?

I hate them so much but you do realize that complaining about this kinda thing = you have grown old rite

eh i was griping about these kids today when i was 14, im not too worried about coming off like a curmodgeon

http://www.jerryzigmont.com/Images/WonderPets.jpg

but yeah i remember watching shrek in high school & thinking it was way too pleased with itself in its mocking of every disney convention & the fact that it was a kids cartoon with dick jokes - i dont know that theres really been a successful traditional animated feature since?

http://mikeresponts.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/horton_hears_a_who_.jpg
http://mystrangetheories.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/horton.jpg

now find an animated protagonist that isn't fat

i think ratatoillie was maybe not so smirky? i dunno cuz i havent actually seen any of these

but id like to see someone try a non-winkywinky fairytale movie for kids sometime

http://images.movieeye.com/store/images/space-jam-tweety-movie-poster.jpg

http://www.preston.gov.uk/Images/News/Wallace%20and%20Gromit.jpg

ratatouille wasn't smirky at all..it was very sincere.

honestly i don't feel like pixar is at all a part of this sort of thing. (which i hate)

it's more of a dreamworks thing.

Yeah the Pixar movies are none of these things. xp

and while these types of films are successful, pixar has been more successful by far.

the end monologue by the french food critic guy might be the best manifesto for criticism ever.

well, Cars was a little smirky.

Yeah, my first thought was WHAT ABOUT PIXAR?

Kung Fu Panda has had very good word of mouth, to be fair.

Antz
Shrek
Shrek 2
Shark Tale
Madagascar
Over the Hedge
Shrek the Third
Bee Movie
Kung Fu Panda
Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa
Shrek Goes Fourth
Puss In Boots: The Story of an Ogre Killer
Shrek 5
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0sUpDm4JFOqAKM:http://www.shillpages.com/movies/judgmentatnuremberg1961dvd.jpg

^^^ dreamworks wall of shame

and yeah cars is pretty 'tudey
http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2006/cars-film-review/03-large/cars-lightning-mcqueen.jpg

theyre seriously not fucking done w/ shrek yet??? or even close, apparently? ugh

I like the first Shrek.

fuck angelina jolie doing a voice in it. and balls to being fair as well. (:p)

Also, for comparison's sake, via Rotten Tomatoes:

66% The Incredible Hulk $55.4M
88% Kung Fu Panda $33.6M
20% The Happening $30.5M
34% You Don't Mess with th… $16.4M
77% Indiana Jones and the … $14.7M

When a movie is rating higher than Indy IV and the latest Marvel joint, yeah, it might be actually not too bad.

all of these cartoons get ridiculously good critical reviews

what about shark's tale?

Cameron Diaz has reportedly asked for the film to have an eco-friendly storyline about a threatened swamp.

Ugh.

shrek 4 is set to be directed by the director of deuce bigalow: male gigalo

what about shark's tale?

-- Upt0eleven, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

aka "crossed arms: the motion picture"

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/sharktalebig.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/10/07/shark_tale_narrowweb__200x372.jpg

lol crossed fins

Shark 'Tude

Shrek the Third 42%
Bee Movie 53%
Madagascar 56%
Over the Hedge 73%

What metric are we using for "ridiculously good" here?

Shark Tale 34% BEST REVIEWED MOVIE LOL

well i guess yeah cars maybe was a little bit of bad dudes with baddass 'tudes

but still it's nowhere NEAR as snarky as say shrek.

the big thing with Pixar is that they don't do pop culture reference gags...each movie is true to its own fantasy world, they don't break to wink at the audience...

cars is the least of the pixar movies though.

"Shrilly pandering to edgy, jive-talking, hip-hopping bents of the moment, [Shark Tale] churns up a sea of offensive ethnic stereotypes, unfunny situations, unsympathetic characters and lousy plotting." Houston Chronicle

A MUST-SEE!!

eh i was griping about these kids today when i was 14, im not too worried about coming off like a curmodgeon

-- deeznuts, Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:38 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Suspicions about nuts's age confirmed.

Yeah, Kung Fu Panda is the only one of these I actually want to see, for the whole "actual animal master of corresponding animal style" thing.

the Shark Tale producers presumably concluded that the secret to Nemo's success was the fact that it had fish in it. OMG FISH ARE SO IN THIS YEAR!!!!

cocks

When a movie is rating higher than Indy IV and the latest Marvel joint, yeah, it might be actually not too bad.

-- Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 19 June 2008 16:00 (7 minutes ago) Link

Smirking computer animation edges out the corpse of a movie franchise and yet another comic book film (the second take on this one), what an accomplishment.

Yeah, Kung Fu Panda is the only one of these I actually want to see, for the whole "actual animal master of corresponding animal style" thing.

-- kingfish, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:10 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

that's a really strange criteria for wanting to see a movie.

Finding Nemo only came out a year before Shark Tale, and these computer animation movies take years and years to produce.

Yeah, Kung Fu Panda is the only one of these I actually want to see, for the whole "actual animal master of corresponding animal style" thing.

-- kingfish, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:10 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

that's a really strange criteria for wanting to see a movie.

-- some dude, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

coyote kingfish

i saw monsters inc on tv & its great but theres def pop cult refs... buscemi makes fargo woodchipper jokes!!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:aeu3c2Y6M5CKMM:http://www.wallpapergate.com/data/media/1819/Tweety.jpg

lol argh @ tweety

I like kung fu movies, what do you want? Trad kung fu movies make a point of demonstrating contrasting styles, the more the better. Hell, even the pilot for the David Carradine series had each of the 5(ish) animal styles portrayed. The conceit of taking your otherwise bog standard dreamworks talking animals cheapo CGI but using it to instead match up said animal with the animal style interests me.

Let's see if this movie has James Hong in it.

[imdb check]

HA! It does!

Finding Nemo only came out a year before Shark Tale, and these computer animation movies take years and years to produce.

Dreamworks and Pixar so know what the other is working on, even if they're not meant to, and even if it's just "hey they're doing a fish film". Goes as far back as Bug's Life/Antz.

tweety is one of the OGs of this shit imo xposts

Finding Nemo only came out a year before Shark Tale, and these computer animation movies take years and years to produce.

there were leaks. so i hear.

Anyway: I feel like on some level it is a positive development that people put their images through weird filters on Instagram in order to look different -- the hope is that we're at the tail end of the stage where people think how you look in person is how you "really" look, which is what's driving the perverse urge to get your body cut open in order to recreate in inferior physical form what Instagram can do easily and cheaply. In the future, looking one way on the screen and looking a different, perhaps less-marked-as-desirable way in so-called "real life" will not seem any weirder than looking one way dressed up and wearing makeup and a different, less-marked-as-desirable way when you wake up in your pajamas. And then we can fire all the plastic surgeons.

vtubers are, presumably, the first wave of that - although their relationships with fans, the real world, etc. is definitely different that an influencer on instagram or someone on a dating app.

Before you get too depressed over "instagram face" and similar self-mutilations, that entire New Yorker article was centered around real life examples provided by Beverly Hills and its ethic. Although pressure to conform to commercialized standards of feminine beauty is nearly universal, even extending into poorer nations now, the more extreme versions that include plastic surgery and expensive injections will be out of reach of the vast majority of women. It's always going to be a rather fringe phenomenon.

https://d43fweuh3sg51.cloudfront.net/media/media_files/a1e7449c-7171-47da-b82f-817b21ac0db6/7e206072-450e-4f6c-83c0-277fbec14513.png

Problem solved!
The problem is solved!
We solved the problem
And everything is awesome!
Problem solved!

Anyway: I feel like on some level it is a positive development that people put their images through weird filters on Instagram in order to look different -- the hope is that we're at the tail end of the stage where people think how you look in person is how you "really" look, which is what's driving the perverse urge to get your body cut open in order to recreate in inferior physical form what Instagram can do easily and cheaply. In the future, looking one way on the screen and looking a different, perhaps less-marked-as-desirable way in so-called "real life" will not seem any weirder than looking one way dressed up and wearing makeup and a different, less-marked-as-desirable way when you wake up in your pajamas. And then we can fire all the plastic surgeons.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, August 4, 2021 1:04 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hmm, i feel the converse. the filters making young people look much more conventionally attractive cannot be good for self-image and just anecdotally i know tons of women, some in their 20s, who are getting fillers and botox now whereas i knew none 5 years ago

If you're curious about numbers: https://www.plasticsurgery.org/documents/News/Statistics/2020/plastic-surgery-statistics-full-report-2020.pdf

15.6 million "procedures" (which includes Botox; 2.3 million of those are surgeries). That's a 14% drop from 2019, though obviously Covid is that crucial factor there

those are US numbers btw

There are many things to despise about society as a whole but the myriad ways in which every thought expressed in public must be crushed into a false binary straitjacket so it can be applauded or denounced in the simplest terms is one of the worst.

It's really more that your pathological need to be the most nuanced person in the room makes you post unnecessary things that don't expand or enrich the conversation

unnecessary things that don't expand or enrich the conversation

this makes me feel abnormally typical

hmm, i feel the converse. the filters making young people look much more conventionally attractive cannot be good for self-image and just anecdotally i know tons of women, some in their 20s, who are getting fillers and botox now whereas i knew none 5 years ago

yeah kind of my feeling, I put a pic of myself through a filter and thought "damn! I look good!" and then got depressed that I don't actually look like that. it also seems to be kind of a thing on dating apps - my wife has a cousin who's meeting people using one but using a picture of herself that looks nothing like actually does...I don't wanna be insensitive, but this almost feels like a form of catfishing?

frog you're a fox

great revive

well thanks but imagine if my nose were smaller. it would be game over for all of you

xp
sounds like someone needs an eyebrow raise and a little light smirkening around the mouth

The article rob posted above was interesting. People are not just trying to look “hotter” — younger, slimmer, smoother — they are turning themselves into human cartoons with cartoon facial expressions and sound effects. The ideal is not even realistic for anyone — not even the most conventional looking person around — it isn’t meant to be on our plane of reality. This is about virtual representations of the self supplanting the real self, probably causing weird kinds of dysmorphia.

Not even dysmorphia. A more general or fundamental alienation from the body. I think this is why it seems so dystopian.

I guess digital foot-binding and skull shaping is preferable to IRL foot-binding

Yeah that is true. But people are getting real-life surgery to approximate anime body proportions.

https://www.statesman.com/storyimage/TX/20161012/NEWS/310112497/EP/1/3/EP-310112497.jpg

this is the terrifying sequel to 28 days later I really needed

Alex Jones is not yet 50

14 years on...

https://images.mymovies.net/images/film/cin/350x522/fid21007.jpg

maximum Poochie

The original Legion of Super-Pets is v much not a smirky eyebrow-raised badass Poochie comic strip

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Legion_of_Super-Pets_%28Earth-One%29

https://i.imgur.com/R4JmXDx.jpg

Excellent.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNWEyYzc2YjItYzY4Ni00ZTY2LWJjYTItMjJiYTE1MWNkZTU4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyODUwMzI1NTI@._V1_.jpg

http://www.impawards.com/2023/posters/ruby_gillman_teenage_kraken_ver6_xlg.jpg

Dreamworks, it is time for you to learn to draw faces

There is a large slice of society for which smirk=WINNER and a smaller slice to whom smirk=sociopath, we must choose a side

Well going by the trailer for that movie, the filmmakers are in the latter slice since she’s the baddie lol

del Toro just a few days ago:

The 58-year-old filmmaker spent a good portion of his Annecy master class deriding what he sees as destructive tendencies in much commercial animation where characters and emotions are “codified into a sort of teenage rom-com, almost emoji-style behavior. (If) I see a character raising his fucking eyebrow, or crossing his arms, having a sassy pose — oh, I hate that shit. (Why) does everything act as if they’re in a sitcom? I think it's emotional pornography. All the families are happy and sassy and quick, everyone has a one-liner. Well, my dad was boring. I was boring. Everybody in my family was boring. We had no one-liners. We’re all fucked up. That’s what I want to see animated. I would love to see real life in animation. I actually think it’s urgent. think it’s urgent to see real life in animation.”

Guillermo del Toro, welcome to the resistance

"Well, that just happened."

already noted upthread but

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lego/images/6/6e/LEGO-Smiley-001.png/revision/latest?cb=20131127180524

to

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/9b/fa/ca9bfa14ff7384c85dde033ab28290ca.jpg

http://https%3A//media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230504113629-01-what-are-zillennials-olarte-wellness.jpg%3Fc%3D16x9%26q%3Dh_540%2Cw_960%2Cc_fill/f_webp

from: "Zillennials: The newest micro-generation has a name" https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/health/what-are-zillennials-wellness/index.html

Apparently this is the smirking generation. No generation has suffered more. "“They attended college during the pandemic, and missed out on important social markers.” So they must smirk.

goddamit

well just click the link to get your dose of smirk

http://https%3A//media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230504113629-01-what-are-zillennials-olarte-wellness.jpg

i give up.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230504113629-01-what-are-zillennials-olarte-wellness.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNzk4ODdiOTEtMTk3YS00MzZmLTgyOWMtYzc1NjgxYWE2MmMyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTUzMTg2ODkz._V1_.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/garfield/images/2/22/Garfield1980.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/360?cb=20231128184048

Garfield was kind of a pioneer when it comes to smirky cartoon characters

https://bsky.app/profile/kaseygifford.bsky.social/post/3mjon6fozm22r

"Kasey Gifford

I'm so fucking tired of this face. For the love of GOD Disney. All your female characters look the fucking same."

it’s true

Wasn't there some sort of explanation for this pose? Like it's some stock thing they do when developing characters?

it probably always tests well

Every character is modeled on the actress who played Moriarty in Elementary

And yet again, the concept art looked a lot more interesting and distinctive compared to the finished smirkybrow product