http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
The glib handling of criticism of his relationship with the anti-American ("God Damn America!") and anti-Israel ("a dirty word for Negroes") Reverend James Wright may have bought him a little time. But the legacy of dissimulation about his long-concealed identity is about to come crashing down around the ears of Barack Hussein Obama, courtesy of the assembled testimony of his family, friends, classmates and teachers.
Obama's official campaign site has a page titled "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page states, "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."
Yet the accumulated research from primary sources who knew Obama from his childhood indicate that he was a devout Muslim, the son of a devout Muslim, the step-son of a devout Muslim and the grandson and namesake ("Hussein") of a devout Muslim. He was registered in school as a Muslim and demonstrated his ability to chant praise to Allah in impressive Arab-accented tones even as an adult. Just as he has not disavowed his "uncle" Jeremiah, neither has he disavowed his Muslim faith that he was born into, raised with, celebrated and never abandoned. He just covered it over with a thin veneer of his own self-styled "Christianity."
Although as an adult he would register as a Christian, and occasionally attend a Christian Church (but apparently not often enough to listen to the preaching of his pastor, or so he would claim) this was a necessary step for a man who from earliest boyhood has nurtured the precocious ambition to be President of the United States.
He was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia, on January 1, 1968, registered under the name Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen whose religion was listed as Islam. Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from Catholic religious instruction and ceremony, but are expected to study their own faith.
In kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want to Become President.'"Iis Darmawan, 63, Senator Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,' the teacher said." [AP, 1/25/07]
Three years later, in 1971, Obama enrolled in the Besuki Primary School, a government school, as Barry Soetoro, Muslim. In third grade, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want To Be a President.' His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Senator Obama wrote 'I want to be a President,' she said." [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]
All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.
He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.
In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Koran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies."
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. "I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.
The author of the Laotze blog writes from Jakarta: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."
"The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet."
"As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."
The Obama Campaign told the LA Times he wasn't a "practicing Muslim." (3/14/2007). But his official website says: "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian" (11/12/2007)
That's not what his friends and classmates have said. Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong, he looked funny," said Rony.
Amiris, now the manager of Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"
Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, "He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a 'sarong', at that time."
"He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion." So Obama, according to his classmates and friends was a Muslim until the confluence of love and ambition caused him to adopt the cloak of Christianity: to marry Michelle and to run for President of the United States.
In "Dreams," Obama sheds light on his formative years and the political views of his mother, an anthropologist and Islamophile who hated America and subsequently "went native." (It was her mother -- Barry's "other" grandmother who cared for him in his druggie teenage years -- that he would describe as a "typical white person" who was, he said scoldingly, fearful of black men and prone to making stereotypical racial remarks.)
Obama Senior also had three sons by another woman who are all Muslim. Although Obama claims Senior was an atheist, Senior was buried as a Muslim.
Barack Obama's brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as the Senator recounted in his book when describing his 1992 wedding. "The person who made me proudest of all," Obama wrote, "was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."Abongo "argues that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture." He urged his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.
In Kenya while he was a Senator, Obama stumped for his cousin, opposition leader Raila Odinga, the son of Senior's sister, a direct first cousin and nephew of Obama's father. On August 29, 2007, Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya signed a Memorandum of Understanding in which it pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila's election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees ... within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions [and] within one year to facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters -- everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions" -- and to popularize Islam, the only true religion ... by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.
In an interview with the New York Times, published on April 30th, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's younger half sister, told the Times, "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim."
Obama describes his new found "Christian" faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions.
On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."
In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent." The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that Muhammad is his prophet...."
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.
An American Expat in Southeast Asia blog, written by an American who has lived in Indonesia for 20 years and has met with both the Taliban and al-Qaeda, contains the following:
"Barack Hussein Obama might have convinced some Americans that he is no longer a Muslim, but so far he has not convinced many in the world's most populous Muslim country who still see him as a Muslim and a crusader for Islam and world peace."
"Barack Hussein Obama's race, his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq, his sympathy to Islam and Muslims worldwide and his Muslim heritage receive the Indonesian media coverage. There is no mention of his apostasy."
"A good example of how some of the Indonesian media is reporting on Obama's religion can be found in the following."
"What I found interesting in the article was the use of the word 'mengaku' when refering to Obama's conversion from Islam to Christianity. The word 'mengaku' in Indonesian means "claimed" and as such leaves the insinuation to the native Indonesian reader being that Obama might actually still be a Muslim.
But this is how Indonesians see Obama, they don't see him as an apostate at all, they see him as a crusader for the cause of Islam."
Obama wants it both ways, has always wanted it both ways. Black and white, Indonesian and American, Muslim and Christian. He loves playing one off the other, using one to hide the other even as the traces of the truth may be assembled to reveal the whole cloth of deception and self-promotion he has been weaving so skillfully since his childhood. No wonder he is a man of change. He IS a changeling, a veritable chameleon, adapting and amending his life story to fit the circumstances.
The charm may have worked once. It still works on some. It won't work forever in the age of the Internet. The fog of ambiguity and dissimulation is dissipated by the harsh, unforgiving and scrutiny of the blogosphere and its unlimited access to historical facts and time-stamped testimony.
Many have been puzzled why Obama could claim not to be familiar with Wright's rants. It turns out the Trinity Church, like many African-American churches, happily accepts believing Muslims within its congregation. And evidently many Muslims have no problems surrounding themselves with an anti-American, anti-Israel preacher who week in and week out wins the amens of his adoring congregation.
On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama's Church and reported the following conversation: " I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: "No, we have many Muslim members in our church."
Indeed.
― and what, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:08 (seventeen years ago)
why do you even bother reposting stuff like this, it just propagates this bullshit across the internet
― akm, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:13 (seventeen years ago)
rolling 2008 list thread for shit to keep obama from becoming president
― some dude, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:16 (seventeen years ago)
He believes in allowing children to die, and wouldn't stand up for aborted babies who survive abortions. That is sickening, and shows him for what he is. Furthermore, when looking at his book I see no conversion--no change in him. He is proud of his Muslim brother Roy...no concern that Roy is not a Christian, but he is "proud" of him. Time and time again he exhibits fruit that tells a different picture. I'm sure you want to believe he is a Christian, but you have to overlook quite a bit to get there.
His connection to Islam won't be "helpful" if he's elected--at least not helpful to the common man living in the U.S. Obama doesn't love this country but for what it can do for him, and where it can take him. He is no patriot, and has more allegiance to Africa than anywhere else.
I don't consider Sharia Law a good thing. Obama approves of it, though, with his backing of Odinga in Kenya. I don't want him to usher it in here in the U.S.
― and what, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:16 (seventeen years ago)
Well I worked with a muslim for 2 years. I have never seen a human lie so much in my entire life!!!!! I won't go into complete details of everything. But the one thing he did tell us when he started was that he WAS a christian and went to church. Well guess what? He was a complete devout muslim and before he quit he was SCARY! We all think he is terrosit related due to alot of "things". But just glad he quit!! He lied like crazy!!!!!!
― and what, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:17 (seventeen years ago)
I wasn't aware that one had to be a Christian to be an American. What if we found out Obama really was a Hindu? Or a Dali Lama follower? Or worse what if we found out Obama was a follower of Shinnto Sheisha. Would we burn him at the stake?
When the Hindu's and Dali Lama's declare holy war on us, attack our soil and kill thousands of us, then we'll have a problem with them. Until then, it's the Muslim connection, coupled with an anti-American church, that is raising a few red flags to sober-minded Americans.
The point isn't different faiths, but then again, I suspect you know that.
And where are these burning stakes you mention? Since when does dialog convert into torture? There's something majorly wrong when people can't discuss their opinions without being called Inquisitors.
― and what, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:19 (seventeen years ago)
Haha, this reminds me of the time I met an utter cunt of a New York investment banker (In Vienna, of all places) who thought that if Turkey was allowed joined the EU, the UK would be UNDER SHARIA LAW WITHIN TEN YEARS. It didn't seem to lessen his conviction when I explained that Turkey is not in fact under Sharia Law.
― chap, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)
turkey is extremely secular, by law
― deej, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:34 (seventeen years ago)
That's what I was trying to tell him.
― chap, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)
turkey isn't under sharia law but that doesn't mean they aren't fucking wretched and don't belong in the EU
― akm, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:39 (seventeen years ago)
turkey is kinda extra-judicial justice-y
― banriquit, Friday, 20 June 2008 17:40 (seventeen years ago)
How about sending "Obama drinks, in public. And his wife and daughters don't cover themselves" mass emails
― slecked, Friday, 20 June 2008 18:50 (seventeen years ago)
Obama is hindu right? Somthing like that...Well,the way I see it,is how could you make an oath under god (the pledge) if you don't even believe in him? He won't even put his hand over his heart when he says the pledge.I use to want him to win till i found out he wasn't christain.That changes everything for me.But I hear that Mcaine wants to keep the war in Iraq,I would hate to see the war continue.It needs to stop.
― President Keyes, Friday, 20 June 2008 18:59 (seventeen years ago)
wtf, this thread.
― StanM, Friday, 20 June 2008 19:20 (seventeen years ago)
When's the "Obama = Hitler" math going to make its way into general public discourse? Or has that shining moment of stfu come & gone already?
― David R., Friday, 20 June 2008 19:24 (seventeen years ago)
http://votingmonkey.com/images/obama-clinton.jpg
― banriquit, Friday, 20 June 2008 19:26 (seventeen years ago)
http://sporkinthedrawer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/21/daybyday_obamanazis.jpg
― banriquit, Friday, 20 June 2008 19:28 (seventeen years ago)
unglaubich
― David R., Friday, 20 June 2008 19:32 (seventeen years ago)
If it makes you feel any better (but I'll bet it doesn't), I'm pretty sure that, like virtually all sane people, Barack Obama is secretly an atheist.
― M.V., Friday, 20 June 2008 21:28 (seventeen years ago)
Turkey:Islam::Mexico:Catholicism, right?
― M.V., Friday, 20 June 2008 21:30 (seventeen years ago)
There's a devout Christian in the Whitehouse at the moment, fat fuck of use it did for us.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 20 June 2008 21:37 (seventeen years ago)
has anyone accused him of being a freemason yet?
― J.D., Friday, 20 June 2008 21:37 (seventeen years ago)
yup!
― banriquit, Friday, 20 June 2008 21:40 (seventeen years ago)
the 'he's secretly an atheist' thing is funny to me and i dont believe it
― deej, Friday, 20 June 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)
It is quite possible to modify one's belief in god sufficiently that it can be retained without threatening one's sanity. Just as there are many more kinds of Christians than Bible literalists. It's just that the literalists tend to make the most noise and are the most irritating to people who value reasonableness as a component of their values.
― Aimless, Friday, 20 June 2008 21:53 (seventeen years ago)
first he came for our cold popeyes, but i did not eat at popeyes...
― scott seward, Friday, 20 June 2008 21:56 (seventeen years ago)
Results 1 - 10 of about 40,400 for "barack obama is muslim". (0.26 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,360 for "barack obama is christian". (0.51 seconds) Results 1 - 9 of 9 for "barack obama is jewish". (0.27 seconds) Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "barack obama is atheist". (0.27 seconds) Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "barack obama is buddhist". (0.48 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 662 for "barack obama is gay". (0.35 seconds)
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:00 (seventeen years ago)
Uh....
― franny glass, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)
I always!!! Use lots!!!!! of exclamation points!!!!! TOO!
― Aimless, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:06 (seventeen years ago)
a caller on coast to coast last nite asked the Revelations/Apocalypse guest if he thought Obama was Mabus because the prophecies say that Mabus is a muslim.
the guest said he didnt think that Obama was anything other than a pawn in the way things "will play out" but neither he nor George Noorey corrected the caller on the fact that Obama is not a Muslim which made me kind of :-\
i know its a batshit show but its the 2nd most listened to sho on the radio.
― gr8080, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:13 (seventeen years ago)
I'm pretty sure that, like virtually all sane people, Barack Obama is secretly an atheist.
-- M.V., Friday, June 20, 2008 5:28 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Awesome, another liar in the white house keeping 'secrets!' Goody gumdrops!
So, just so I have this right, you're saying over 75% of the United States - some 160 million people - are virtually insane? How fortunate that you - and I'm guessing your equally educated fiends - are members of this "sane" minority.
You're no better than the idiot who thinks Obama is "hindu, or something." Prejudice is prejudice, on ILX or anywhere else. Grow up.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:17 (seventeen years ago)
If Assholes Could Type Your Keyboard Would Smell Like Shit
― David R., Friday, 20 June 2008 22:26 (seventeen years ago)
Good one
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:30 (seventeen years ago)
if assholes were good ones this place would be great!
― s1ocki, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:33 (seventeen years ago)
I am saying that 75% of the US, some 160 million people, are virtually insane, yes.
― polyphonic, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:50 (seventeen years ago)
This "Mabus" thing is some Nostradamus shit. I thought Christians were supposed to stay away from the works of sorcerers.
― slecked, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:50 (seventeen years ago)
Grow up.
-- If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, June 20, 2008 6:17 PM
no u!
― am0n, Friday, 20 June 2008 22:50 (seventeen years ago)
hawhaw
― banriquit, Friday, 20 June 2008 23:18 (seventeen years ago)
author is the same dipshit who publishes Barry Chamish's conspiracy theories involving aliens and freemasons taking over Israel (i.e. would fit quite well in and what's studies of the lunatic fringe.)
― bnw, Friday, 20 June 2008 23:50 (seventeen years ago)
What's sort of impenetrable about the Obama as Muslim myth is that these people who believe it seem to think of being a "Muslim" as an ethnic or racial identity-- "His father was Muslim so he's a Muslim"-- rather than meaning someone who practices Islam.
― mulla atari, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:21 (seventeen years ago)
Barack Obama’s Islamophobia And please note that ‘Islamophobia’ is not in inverted commas, for this is a real and genuine fear of being juxtaposed with Muslims and of being tarnished with Islam. It is an appalling act of prejudice in ‘the land of the free’, and one which all Muslim democrats must address at the ballot box in November.
It is reported that two Muslim women were removed from sitting behind the Democrats’ presidential candidate at his rally in Detroit on Monday. They were barred from sitting behind the podium in order that their hijabs would not appear in photographs or on television.
This is not only offensive; it belies any notion that Barack Obama is the ‘unity candidate’ who will ‘bring America together’. Cranmer fully understands that the human backdrop to such a high-profile political candidate is always ‘a delicate exercise in demographics and political correctness’, but he has never heard of the purposeful eradication of the visual representation of an entire faith group. Presumably, men with Islamic-looking beards or headwear would also have been ejected.
It is a good job that circumcised penises are concealed.
Of course, all of this has everything to do with Mr Obama’s sensitivity to accusations that he is a closet Muslim, although he ‘means no disrespect to Islam’ in the increasingly vehement denials.
As if to emphasise his point, Barack Obama's half brother Malik is reported by The Jerusalem Post as confirming that, if elected, his brother will be ‘a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.’
This would be the ‘Muslim background’ that he denies ever having.
― ledge, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:23 (seventeen years ago)
OH MY DAYS. This fucking shit right here...
― VeronaInTheClub, Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:55 (seventeen years ago)
Christ, yank political mudslinging makes us lot really seem like amateurs.
― chap, Saturday, 21 June 2008 01:04 (seventeen years ago)
You knows it
― VeronaInTheClub, Saturday, 21 June 2008 01:06 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.hulu.com/watch/20336/saturday-night-live-update-jackson-sharpton
stay inside! just stay inside! m.
― msp, Saturday, 21 June 2008 03:35 (seventeen years ago)
Barack Obama is not a wolf
― gabbneb, Saturday, 21 June 2008 04:14 (seventeen years ago)
Nope, just grossly unqualified and frighteningly inexperienced
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 21 June 2008 04:33 (seventeen years ago)
Barack Obama is a Werewolf.
― The Yellow Kid, Saturday, 21 June 2008 05:15 (seventeen years ago)
-- deej, Friday, June 20, 2008 5:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
i kinda do
― and what, Saturday, 21 June 2008 13:22 (seventeen years ago)
i mean as much lip service as he pays to "the christian tradition" as part of the civil rights movement & stuff he keeps slipping up & suggesting that his chuch membership is more about social/community activism than belief in god or an afterlife
― and what, Saturday, 21 June 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)
i am glad that our great leader strikes fear into your heart
― gabbneb, Saturday, 21 June 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)
― max, Saturday, 21 June 2008 15:00 (seventeen years ago)
I just heard the same argument for the 1,000,000th time on FOX News re: will Barack Obama be able to court evangelicals? It seems like the only 2 issues that really matter to them are abortion and gay marriage. How long are these issues going to keep being important to people? I know the debate will never go away completely but I'm wondering if the evangelical influence is starting to slacken for good.
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 21 June 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Images/Thumbnails/13-40.June30.Cover.small.jpg
― and what, Sunday, 22 June 2008 15:34 (seventeen years ago)
It seems like the only 2 issues that really matter to them are abortion and gay marriage
Rong
― gabbneb, Sunday, 22 June 2008 15:38 (seventeen years ago)
yeah I know it's a gross overgeneralization but on cable news talking heads debates it always comes down to "he's on the wrong side of 'the issues': abortion and gay marriage"
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 22 June 2008 16:14 (seventeen years ago)
i mean as much lip service as he pays to "the christian tradition" as part of the civil rights movement & stuff he keeps slipping up & suggesting that his chuch membership is more about social/community activism than belief in god or an afterlife-- and what, Saturday, 21 June 2008 13:23 (Yesterday) Link
-- and what, Saturday, 21 June 2008 13:23 (Yesterday) Link
Thank God!
― M.V., Sunday, 22 June 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)
http://religiondispatches.org/Gui/Content.aspx?Page=BL&Id=60
― gabbneb, Sunday, 22 June 2008 16:34 (seventeen years ago)
Time and time again he exhibits fruit that tells a different picture.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:07 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.hcsfjm.com/obamalies.html
Once you have read these 2 sites, then call this phone number and ask them why Obama has lied to the American people about his being a Muslim. When they say he is not, then tell them that his brother said in a interview with Israeli insider, said he was raised a Muslim and that his brother has a picture in 1985 where obama and him were in Muslim dress. Tell them he need to resign and stop embarrassing our country.
Here is the phone number (866) 675-2008 burn the lying sob phones down. Also send all this to the major media. This is the hottest story on the net and it will grown bigger by the hour.
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:12 (seventeen years ago)
-- and what, Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:23 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
i really don't care about this one way or the other, but this is no kind of evidence that he's an atheist. it just puts him in company with plenty of other religious people.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:13 (seventeen years ago)
well yeah im thinking of stuff like him saying "i don't know what happens after we die" but when he tucks his daughters in at night that's what he sees as heaven ("i dont know what happens after we die" technically true for every human being living but generally only said by people - especially politicians - who are skeptical about religious claims - not saying barack is str8 up chris hitchens style nonbeliever but i'd guess he was some kinda quasi-agnostic deist more than the jesus freak he occasionally makes shit out to be)
― and what, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:22 (seventeen years ago)
actual quote im talking about:
“I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven.”
― and what, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:23 (seventeen years ago)
reminds me of dodd saying "i dont know if there is a god or not" <3 <3 <3
his religion is ambiguous enough where i'm sure a lot of people - including Muslims - are hoping he's secretly (fill in the blank).
― rockapads, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:25 (seventeen years ago)
uh what? i guarantee you Muslims don't think he's secretly Muslim.
do people presume these kinds of things about the secret beliefs of white men?
― horseshoe, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:27 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article
So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.
"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."
It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.
― and what, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:28 (seventeen years ago)
Uh, his religion's not really ambiguous. And doubt =/= agnosticism.
xpost: Universal salvation theology is not an "unlikely" theological position for Christians. The religious right doesn't speak for all of us.
― Nathan, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:30 (seventeen years ago)
Wait, that wasn't an xpost. Ha.
― Nathan, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:33 (seventeen years ago)
no no you guys, being reasonable and being 'truly' christian are totally mutually exclusive!
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:40 (seventeen years ago)
i guess my comment wasn't thought out very well (i'm still working on my morning coffee). i just meant to say that i think a lot of people will see their own beliefs in Obama out of a sense of wishful thinking, and that because he's not slingin' Jesus all over the place like a lot of pols do, he's opening himself up for a little bit of that. maybe it's a good thing, though. i wouldn't be surprised if he gets a little more religious now that Hillary is out, though.
― rockapads, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:41 (seventeen years ago)
i cant imagine going to church once a week for 15 years or however long it was and thinking the whole time "this is such a farce"
― deej, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:54 (seventeen years ago)
unless yr a catholic kid
― deej, Sunday, 22 June 2008 18:55 (seventeen years ago)
because he's not slingin' Jesus all over the place like a lot of pols do
-- rockapads, Sunday, June 22, 2008 2:41 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
he isn't? he makes a lot of ambiguous statements about religion but hes def j-droppin
― and what, Sunday, 22 June 2008 19:01 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedImages/Stories/Local/0006(38).jpg
― M.V., Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:04 (seventeen years ago)
these republichristian whackos are so stupid and bloodboilingly dumb.
― cameron carr, Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:05 (seventeen years ago)
a wolf in Christian muslin
― original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:09 (seventeen years ago)
holy shit, what kind of story did they run?!
― 76 yards into the wind! (daria-g), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:11 (seventeen years ago)
muslingaze
― Brosef Stalin (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:14 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/10/obama_sign_in_yard_stirs_up_neighbors.html
"1 step too far"
― bnw, Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:20 (seventeen years ago)
Is Barack Obama a Patrick Wolf?
― Deep House, M.D. (haitch), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:27 (seventeen years ago)
"Look what he's doing to Palin," Lacasse said, referring to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Republican John McCain's running mate. "Come on. He got people going to Alaska, looking for something to say bad about her."
― original dixieland jaas band (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:30 (seventeen years ago)
i bet the wolves have got something bad to say about her
― Brosef Stalin (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:31 (seventeen years ago)
lol
― joe 40oz (deej), Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:34 (seventeen years ago)
maybe that image is different when it is bigger, but at that size it looks like some gay daddy bear guy cooking up a steak- especially the Pam Anderson style barbwire arm tattoo. Fag City!
― Drew Daniel, Thursday, 2 October 2008 01:44 (seventeen years ago)
Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool?
― There was a hole bunch of problems whit his campaigns (crüt), Thursday, 17 March 2016 17:08 (ten years ago)
He's a muslin wool in Christian Dior
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 17 March 2016 17:24 (ten years ago)