TS: howard zinn vs noam chomsky

there should perhaps be a cake-making contest to settle this.

am I to understand that there will be cake later in this thread?

Everything should be settled with a cake making contest. Howard Zinn would tamper with the heat dial so Noam Chomsky's cake would get all burned and then they would ignore each other at the big dance. They both love each other but they don't even realize it.

someone left the cake out in the rain, thereby denying the workers cake that was rightfully theirs

i like cake

not a cake hand.

http://www.brianbutko.com/D/DnrMedia/Zinn.jpg

Chomsky and his humorlessness beat William F. Buckley, Jr, so he wins.

zinn, founder of the 'people's history' tradition of books

"hmmm"

chomsky for consistency

Chomsky is pretty funny sometimes, especially for a guy what usually comes across like a total aspie.

Also did Zinn really ever write anything major besides People's History of the United States?

well, define "major" - he has some other good books but nothing with that kind of impact. I think his overall thesis as I understand - that history as a "deeds of great men" project is kinda bullshit, and is a sort of state apparatus for preservation of the status quo - is valid, and that his recipe for applesauce cake is the best I ever tasted

he also wrote "marx in soho", a one-man play about karl marx's time in london - it's good and involves beer

ive been meaning to reread the revolutionary war chapter of peoples history for like 2 months now - wtf was he on about there? how much of that is accepted?

anyway its zinn for me - havent read him since my commie teen years but when i read peoples history it was as he more or less laid it out in that fantastic intro - not as some kind of definitive history of the us but an ancillary collection of voices that had been ignored. im pretty sure no non-fiction book has shaped by view of the world like that one did.

his recipe for applesauce cake is the best I ever tasted

Well, honestly, this is why he deserves a place in Valhalla.

Chomsky is an 'asspie" (is that what you were saying?) but he can talk sense, pretty funny too.
Am I to understand that there will be cake later in this thread? I feel that this should be discussed in more depth and then acted on. CAKE.

ha, no, aspie as in asperger's syndrome.

Chomsky was the second author but Manufacturing Consent was more than a "slim interview book" FWIW. Also, aspies get more flak than they deserve.

howard zing vs noam challopsky

I like Chomsky at times. I think he relies too much on an intelligent design-like view of politics, i.e. "X happened, and the powers that be should have known X was going to happen, therefore the powers that be must have wanted X to happen."

the cake is a lie the cake is a lie the cake is a lie the cake is a lie

batter of deceit

eggshells like broken promises

banriquit i really just meant that there's been a whole industry of books using the "a people's history of..." meme since zinn's, not that zinn invented populist history.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/alingbert/chomskyg.jpg

RIP Howard Zinn :(

Yup, just coming to post that...

oh shit

Auchincloss and Zinn! What a pair.

From A to Z

Helluva cocktail party conversation too.

saw him speak @ ISU a few years back...solid dude imo. kind of a role model for how to do the "yeah, my positions are pretty radical but I'm also kind of just a regular dude" schtick, imo - he came off like a guy you might have met working on the grain elevator. it's hard to feel super-sad about somebody who dies at 87, though. 87 is a long-ass life.