People who use the phrase "Uncle Tom" should be beaten senseless

upstanding democrat eisbaer to thread

btw i actually have an uncle tom & he lived in a cabin

uncle ron

We have a family friend (actually my godfather) who is very carefully referred to as Uncle Tommy. I never understood why until around junior high.

oh good louis is here

btw i actually have an uncle tom & he lived in a cabin

-- and what, Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:42 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

the new "some of my best friends..."?

Anything that says/codifies "you're a sellout if you try to better yourself, why not, like, do nothing" is total bullshit. Voted "no they should be shot".

I read that as Chuck D and spent a couple of minutes with my head spinning and then re-read it and wondered why there's no 'they should be castrated' option.

in these times i felt "they should be stabbed" is the most appropriate

So where does all this leave Harriet Beecher Stowe?

The use of "uncle Tom" pointed at Obama by DJ Chuck T is mind-boggling, like "uncle tom" Obama is selling out black people everywhere by being in with a good shot at becoming the president of the United states of America I MEAN, ONLY THE MOST POWERFUL MAN ON PLANET EARTH, wtf.

"powerful"

So where does all this leave Harriet Beecher Stowe?

Still dead, I guess.

RIP

We have a family friend (actually my godfather) who is very carefully referred to as Uncle Tommy. I never understood why until around junior high.

-- HI DERE, Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:43 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^^^^^^^^

(hence "totes" and "hence")

<3

he should keeping it real as a bitchy e-thuggin mixtape dj not community organizing like some kinda uncle tom

Obama gonna coast for life on "community organizing" no matter how many warrantless wiretaps he's cool with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Shows

^^^v. intersting reading, explains a lot of why "Uncle Tom" came to mean what it means today

"powerful"

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:02

"Dr"

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?cat=165

thread title brings back memories:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ACCW71GsipI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a47ujEUuG9s&feature=related

Obama gonna coast for life on "community organizing" no matter how many warrantless wiretaps he's cool with.

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:10 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

he can't compete with your history of selfless public service

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071207133746AAUHEy3

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?cat=165

-- am0n, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:18 (4 minutes ago) Link

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=3906

^get out of jail free card

I actually have an Uncle Tom and he lives in a mobile home.

wikipedia link is interesting reading, thx Dan.

Urgh @ that outlaw "news" link, especially the second article, where some infow4rs nutjob sends obama a screed on govt did 9/11, and Obama's (excellent) response is used as a junping-off point for blah blah blah alex jones blah blah ron paul etc etc etc. (xpost the one bnw direct links to)

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjTSX.CaOJ_CalXz.CVbGR8J5wt.;_ylv=3?qid=20070217005120AAHSgj8

I actually have an Uncle Tom

he's white btw

marley - absurdly overrated uncle tom. eric clapton with boot polish.
-- Marcello Carlin, Friday, 21 May 2004 08:25 (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

that's Jacob Marley tbf.

holy shit

lord custos was fond of the "____ with a tan" formulation when describing black artists as similar to white ones

the only one i remember offhand was that ice-t was "jello biafra with a tan"

Doesn't make sense on any level whatsoever, that one.

B-but they did a song together!

(x-post) I guess it's kind of on a level w/people describing rap as "the black punk" (which to be fair I haven't seen used for a long while)

is UTC worth reading then? must be the most frequently derided classic ever.

upstanding democrat eisbaer to thread

-- and what, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:41 (1 hour ago) Link

as always, ethan padgett squandering any & all good will in order to get in a cheap zing.

I don't know if it's worth reading, but it seems to be a classic and basically anti-slavery and political, and was the biggest selling book in the 19th C behind the bible. (cf: Wiki)

uncle t(h)om(as) sowell

i use it when i hate his columns, which is all of them. so shoot me.

dude you called clarence thomas an uncle tom repeatedly, even when people asked you to stop

dude you called clarence thomas an uncle tom repeatedly, even when people asked you to stop

years ago, dude, years ago ...

i mean really -- do you have such a sad life that you have to regurgitate offhanded remarks made years ago? and do you really think that endlessly reguritating such remarks serve any useful purpose other than cheap zings?!?

stabbed, definitely stabbed.

i have never claimed to serve any purpose beyond cheap zings

it's really a shame, ethan, b/c you often have very insightful things to say on this topic and others ... and yet you choose to throw away all of the good will such insights create just to score some cheap points.

you might want to think about that sometime.

harriet butthurt stowe

Sorry if this is a little disruptive to the thread, but maybe of some interest I coincidentally just stumbled upon this, which I'd never heard of before...

Topsy & Eva, a vaudevillian musical-comedy play by the Duncan Sisters, a retelling of Uncle Tom's Cabin with the central focus on the novel's inversed pair of children, Topsy and Eva, instead of Uncle Tom.

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/duncanpost.jpg

Very few, if any, of the thousands who brought Uncle Tom's Cabin to the stage did so to promote Stowe's message. When the Duncans discovered the possibilities of using the novel to expand their own career, surely they had neither the proper role for Christians nor the horrors of slavery in mind. The stories they told about how they became Topsy and Eva are all tempered by the fact that they appeared in response to press interviews. The most broadly distributed version appeared in The American Magazine in August, 1925. The sisters were established vaudeville stars by that time. 'A little more than two years ago,' Rosetta told an interviewer, 'a man came to us to see about doing something in motion pictures.' After several ideas were broached and dismissed, 'finally he said . . . "I guess we'll have to black you up."'

there was an idealogical difference but they shared a common goal is my point

i forgot the part where malcolm x was our lord & savior & mlk was satan

Buy anyway the point is who gives a fuck about what you think about what black people may or may not call other black people

Dan had a dream too!

a dream about Tyra Banks animated gifs

Let me take you to
Hymentown.

folks let me spell this out for you im trying to dictate what black people can & can not say because i disagree with something a black person said

I see nuts got there before us.

Buy anyway the point is who gives a fuck about what you think about what black people may or may not call other black people

This is actually a very, very good point.

Respect the ability of a group to self segregate. Its kind of an important thing, and is protected by the Constitution.

we need to determine the intersection point of "phrases malcolm x used" and "words and phrases that are indeterminately racist" on a venn diagram before we go any further guys, at which point this should be a cakewalk.

anyway the point is who gives a fuck about what you think about what black people may or may not call other black people

ding ding ding ding ding ding

xpost I'm not sure if I want to go there

(I wish I were talking about Hymentown)

xxpost Not a cakewalk!! Anything but that!

(Can we substitute "inherently" for "indeterminately"?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cakewalk

hahahaha DP

Exactly!!

If he ever said nigger while referring to a white person, that was racist.

if malcolm x was still alive we could just go and see what bottle opener he had in his kitchen and get that one taken care of too.

Coming up soon: British ILXors post on how Gandhi wasn't a good Hindu.

^^ good thread

evil universe: "Black hole" is racist in Dallas

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html

Fuck. I expect to see that story fwd: fwd: fwd to me from the same senders who got their panties in a huff over the congresswoman saying that hurricanes should have black names.

RACISM GOES BOTH WAYS!

Black names?

You mean like Martin and Malcolm?

SEE KORAN CHAPETER 9:11

The form was originally known as the chalk line walk; it takes its name from competitions slaveholders sometimes held, in which they offered slices of hoecake as prizes for the best dancers.

really can't get past this

ILX is GREAT today : D

great thread

):((((

also can't get past the "black hole" story for completely different reasons

it's not "Brer Rabbit and the Black Hole" dumbasses, stfu

pride is one of the seven deadly sins deez

i alreaday took sloth as mine yo

I'll take rage.

http://selfhelpdaily.com/snow-white-and-the-seven-deadly-sins/

Third or fourth GIS result for "rage"

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/09/roadRageMEN_600x486.jpg

Fuck. I meant I'll take "wrath."

Fourth or fifth GIS result for "wrath."

http://santiago.mapache.org/art/desktop/wrath.jpeg

http://www.miguelmartindesign.com/sfcccinema/images/st2.jpg

That does look angry. Like a tiger. Grrrr.

xpost

http://www.fotoil.com/Images/sloth2-r3-wm.jpg

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Remember this classic?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rYT4PpIfAQ

Did anyone figure out what the hell Morbius meant upthread by "DNFAW"?

Do Not Fuck A Wallaby?

This is why you should listen to your elders. They have experience.

Did anyone figure out what the hell Morbius meant upthread by "DNFAW"?

Yes.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol who's reppin' for the douchebags

"How is my son?"
"Oh fine, Uncle Tom. Fine."
"Uncle Tom?"
"That's short for 'Pappy'!"

Mid-nineteenth century sentimental literature tragic death t/s -- Uncle Tom vs. Little Nell

-- Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:26 (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

vs. Ilyusha in Brothers Karamazov.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/3226

Long ago, and basing his insight on the Garnett translation, Aldous Huxley pointed out that Dostoevsky's immense superiority over Dickens in describing heart-rending scenes, like the death of the child Ilyusha, lay in his eye for heterogeneous details of all sorts: Ilyusha's worn little boots, neatly arranged side by side by the woman who has come to lay out the dead boy, the doctor's "sealskin hat with its sealskin visor," and so forth. When he did the death of Little Nell, in The Old Curiosity Shop, Dickens abandoned all such incongruities entirely, as inappropriate to the pure sentiment he wished to put across.

Seems an appropriate place for one of my favorite Wilde quotes: "One would have to have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell without laughing."

^ cosign on THAT