Lion, Scarecrow, Tin-Man: A very ILX Summer with the ILX Gays.

thank you for leaving implicit the "dorothy"

follow the yellow brick road!!

Yes, but to where?

kansas -- my friend just bought a house in like lacrosse kansas? $23,000.

perhaps it is a bit odd that Kansas is the home of the Westboro Baptist CHurch and Fred Phelps?

Identify the ILX Gays in the poster above.

the lion is def elmo.

not that elmo is a coward.

tin man = casuistry

I've been called the Tin Man far too many times to count.

I'll take Toto or nothing.

surmounter is obviously Judy.

This is all begging for photoshop

Morbius will be upset that you guys think he's the Wicked Witch of the West.

actually Surmounter may be Glinda.

i played the Lion in seventh grade. my theater debut.

If we can be anyone I'm probably mostly Auntie Em. Table, you could be the witch, no offense. I feel a parallel somehow though.

Gays on ILX I No Longer Respect:
--Tiernan

seriously, youse a mean-ass irshman

Um, no offense doesn't work anymore then....

And seriously, okay the way you spelt my name wrong is the way Irish people do sometimes because of the more common surname, but what was your reason? ; )

omg i made a glinda reference today cuz i had on all this white shimmery powder!!

Only you would come out with that! :D

the no offense would have worked if you hadn't included that 'parallels' bit.

also, i didn't know how to spell your name, and i thought that was the correct spelling. sorry.

(and also sorry about that no respect thing-- i still respect you. i just don't like being called names-- it's one of those things that has always pissed me off, no matter what age i am)

I wasn't calling you names, the witch is just the one who's having the most fun! The name thing I just thought was weird that you would spell it that way, it's one of those days, if I had been there to have a tone of voice, I guarantee you wouldn't have gotten offended, sentiment got lost in translation.

Sorry though....

it's all gravy, baby. i'm just in a weird mood myself.

i'll be the guy behind the curtain

That was how the other Tiernan I knew spelt her name. Though, she was a she.

Phil: Abe B. with a longish last name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P2NyajUnx0

Though, she was a she.

I don't like this new thread.

For the record Tiarnán

I'm a very good man, just a very bad doctor.
(the Scarecrow had the best song, tho Bert Lahr is the best thing about Oz)

I wanted to call the next thread the ILX Gays' Summer Share. Next year.

Tiarnán

you should hear how i pronounce it

tyair-nin?

well the "air" part has that special irish something tho

hey joe, dave and i have been playing tennis! he likes my net game

i bet he does ;)

how crazy is his beard btw

crazy!!

Wait, how do you pronounce your name, T.? Tiernan the woman I used to work with was just "TIER-nin", but Tiarnán with crazy Irish spelling rules could easily be pronounced "Roger".

I have debating learning Old Irish for academic purposes, but I fear it will drive me insane.

Yeah, that's how you saw Tiernan, which is generally a surname in Ireland, it's pretty common, but my name is more Tier NAWN, sorta.

Cúpla focal

Frank McNally

The Last Straw:

I was chatting with a senior foreign diplomat on his lawn the other night, the way you do. As usual, discretion prevents me saying who it was. Oh all right, you dragged it out of me: it was the British Ambassador. And, inter alia, he told me he'd been taking Irish classes recently, in Donegal.

I was pleased to hear it, as any Irish person would be. We've suffered long enough with the language, I thought; it's time the English shared the pain. But as he described just how challenging Irish was for a beginner, my feeling deepened into pride.

The ambassador is something of a linguist, in fact. So, anxious for comparisons on the language-difficulty scale, I mentioned German, with its notorious mutations and, as Mark Twain complained, "more exceptions to the rule than instances of it".

The ambassador shook his head. Irish was much more difficult than German, he said. "In German, the end of the word changes. In Irish, the start of the word may change as well. And the middle." Delighted, I prompted him on the issue of Irish letters exercising their constitutional right to remain silent while clearly up to no good. He nodded sadly: "Who'd have thought 'mh' could be 'w'?" Still, he had now mastered a vocabulary of "about 70 words". He was hoping to push on from there.

I didn't want to discourage him altogether, but you wouldn't know how secure that beach-head is, either. As an occasional correspondent of this column, Bill Casey, is wont to point out, the same Irish word can have a multiplicity of meanings, including fiercely opposed meanings, incapable of reconciliation even by a diplomat.

You'll recall that Bill is Professor of Aqueous Geochemistry at the University of California and, so far as I know, has never even been to Ireland. He just studies Irish as a hobby - it gets his mind off water, I imagine - and the properties of words, when held under a microscope, fascinate him. A while ago, he was marvelling at how the same Irish expression means "French person" and "rat" (a coincidence that may have influenced US foreign policy). The latest object of his inquiries is "leannán", a noun meaning either "lover" or "chronic affliction", depending on context.

That's only the tip of the iceberg. Writing in this paper half a century ago, Myles na Gopaleen discussed an academic's claim that while the average English speaker got by with a 400-word vocabulary, "the Irish-speaking peasant uses 4,000". Myles thought the 4,000 estimate was on the low side, when you allowed for nuance, irony, evasion, poetic licence, and whatever you were having yourself.

"There is scarcely a single word in the Irish (barring, possibly, Sasanach) that is simple and explicit," he wrote. "Apart from words with endless shades of cognate meaning, there are many with so complete a spectrum of graduated ambiguity that each of them can be made to express two directly contrary meanings, as well as a plethora of intermediate concepts that have no bearing on either."

Slipping on his etymologist's hat, he gave an example: "Cur, g. curtha and cuirthe, m - act of putting, sending, sowing, raining, discussing, burying, vomiting, hammering into the ground, throwing through the air, rejecting, shooting, the setting or clamp in a rick of turf, selling, addressing, the crown of cast-iron buttons which have been made bright by contact with cliff faces, the stench of congealing badger's suet, the luminance of glue-lice, a noise made in an empty house by an unauthorised person, a heron's boil, a leprechaun's denture, a sheep-biscuit, the act of inflating hare's offal with a bicycle pump, a leak in a spirit level, the whine of a sewage farm windmill, a corncrake's clapper, the scum on the eye of a senile ram, a dustman's dumpling, a beetle's faggot, the act of loading every rift with ore, a dumb man's curse, a blasket, a 'kur', a fiddler's occupational disease, a fairy godmother's father, a hawk's vertigo, the art of predicting past events, a wooden coat, a custard-mincer, a blue-bottle's 'farm', a gravy flask, a timber-mine, a toy craw, a porridge-mill, a fair-day donnybrook with nothing barred, a stoat's stomach-pump, [ and so on]."

It's possible Myles was embroidering a little here. I'd be almost certain that, even 50 years ago, there was no word in Irish for "the act of inflating hare's offal with a bicycle pump". He may also have been exaggerating when he added that, "in Donegal", there were native speakers with such vast vocabularies, it was a matter of pride to them "never to use the same word twice." But you couldn't be sure with Donegal, then or now. I wished the ambassador well with his studies.

© 2005 The Irish Times

That guy is brilliant.

I need to read some Myles na Gopaleen finally. I've been meaning to for a decade.

http://landofspices.blogspot.com/2007/05/old-irish-verbal-system.html for a long and funny blog post about the horrors of Old Irish.

I sort of wish we could have done a Fire Island theme for the summer thread. Judy used to hang out there all the time.

My one weekend on Fire Island was more than enough.

same here (more like 30 hours)

I read an interview with a Stonewall riot veteran the other day who said, "We didn't give a shit about Judy Garland."

I don't think I'm gonna be able to do the Toronto filmfest in Sept, Cas. :p

I need to read some Myles na Gopaleen finally. I've been meaning to for a decade.

Yes and yes again. Absolutely stellar stuff.

My hunch is that if their relationship continues strong, the samples will phase out over time.

My hunch is to go with Eric's hunch.

My hunch is to probably focus on my samples rather than chasing down a primary.

How good are the samples?

http://www.candywrappermuseum.com/03_classics/cx_whitmanssampler.jpg

http://rekkerd.org/img/articles/marvin_pavilion_bdx_sdx_hcx_hs9.png

My two cents: I wonder, when was the last time Surm and BF had sex? Or saw each other? The outside exploits get all the attention (here, on the ILX) while the BF gets a mention as someone who is annoying you by going out with someone you don't like.

I'm on Ramz's side, fundamentally. If he's happy, fuck it.

http://blogs.chron.com/specialfeatures/archives/davis.jpg

I'm so happy you're happy.

did I ever tell you about the time I looked into the heart of an artichoke?

Chris: what?
Sent at 11:23 PM on Saturday
me: i'll just

My (female) friend and I went to the pool at her new place. There, there were 3 men who appeared to be bears (she lives on the border of Boystown and Cracktown), 2 bleached blond, 2 with pierced nips, dunking each other and generally being all rubby. One of the dudes came and talked to us and was being very forward regarding his hot hot wife and how he loved his brother. His brother was in fact a just a BFF who revealed that they were all rolling their balls off, and he invited Courtney and me to his apartment, 1 floor down from hers. Then the "borther" started carressing the wife and the husband came over and quizzed me and Courtney on our sexual habits. But he was rolling and making no sense (and drooling foam, ffs) so I didn't understand when he asked her "when he's high does he give you 2 extra pumps? My wife likes it when I'm rolling b/c, hell I'm white - I AIN'T PROUD! - and she needs those two extra pumps. Your brown boyfriend probably does better than me, but you like the 2 extra pumps, right?"

Yeh. good times.

Who said they were not on his side? I'm explicating what I'm reading.

um, what?

And was the guy you were flirting with, Alfred, ghee?

From his online persona, Surm sounds more like a single guy (or Tony Soprano, or Don Draper) than a guy in a 6 year relationship. I would certainly believe that his day-to-day reality involves the boyfriend more than we see here.

oh i mean really, if we talked about everything, then this wouldn't be a message board, it'd be group therapy, bitches.

Pretty much. Maybe the reason some people here are pissed at Ramz' personal life is the fact that he keeps a lot of it out of this thread?

(Sad to say, I've shared pretty much everything about my sex life in this thread, if not more.)

He has a long-term open relationship. Yes, it is a mysterious and crazy thing to many, but people relate romantically/erotically in different ways, duh.

I don't think anyone here is pissed at Surm's personal life.

Sorry, I meant intrusively critical.

I think that I understand, too, because that is sort of what I dream of, at least in the meanwhile. If I could be with someone in a more permanent way, but also be free to have little dates or one-nights here and there, then I'd take that. It leads to jealousy and so on, but if the more permanent relationship is solidly-founded, then that shouldn't be an issue-- the understanding that you will be together is there.

I mean, what I really want is a primary relationship with someone who is adventurous enough in the sack that I wouldn't really feel the need to sample.

i can barely handle one person so i guess chalk me up to the jealousy half of this issue

xpost OTM!

Go fig. The guy who has never had a serious relationship and doesn't fool around sees the issue clearer than anyone. You know it's true!

i think also in general people who have been together for a very long time tend to be...i dunno, less sexual w/ each other anyway? which is fine! and i don't doubt ramzi one bit when/if he says he loves his bf and might want to be sexual w/ other ppl but that there is always a lovely cute square one to return to when all is said and done.

ps drunk kinda

"less sexual" = based on my own experiences so i probably shouldn't extrapolate to the larger population anyhow

Too many gays in this thraed for a saturday night.

im gay

i am going out in approximately 30 minutes. it is only 10:09 pm here.

yknow, yr trollin can take a strollin

eh, i'm done for the night. getting up in about eight hours anyway.

(xpost) you talking about deez, I hope

yeah deez, not you. everyone else is here for a reason.

Now my first conquest of the summer is FB messaging me calling me "best in show."

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/DP/2007/12/images/338_img_1.jpg

i love men.

my housemate is coming out with me. woah.

i'm ambivalent towards men. really, they're great...sometimes.

i love lesbians more. i feel more like a dyke than a fag some days.

but men? love em.

i met some really cool lesbians last week but did not get any sort of contact info for any of them, unfortunately. one of them even lives in my neighborhood!

i love the dykes,

here's something:

i hang out for more time at this dyke bar than at any gay bar. it is my favorite bar in the city.

The MN state fair has something called the "miracle of birth" center where baby animals are born. A group of lesbians were walking up to the doors and turned on their heels and walked away like vampires coming upon garlic, muttering stuff like "I can't handle this shit."

BABIES IS CUET FUCK TEH HATERZ

my ex first asked me out on a date at ginger's (park slope dyke establishment of some note)

I gotta be honest, I don't have much in common with the lezes, jaymc's mutual friend aside.

eric, maybe they just don't like animal smell?

Maybe, I suppose it the state fair had an exhibit called "the miracle of kootch smell," I'd probably turn around too.

i would buy like eight tickets to that booth if it were called that

Please please please let the new thread be:

"ALL THE LEAVES ARE BROWN AND THE SKIES ARE GAY: FALL 08"

Just like Table and Surmounter suggested.

Now do we have to wait until like a month from now to start this thread?

No. All the leaves are brown, and the sky is g a y: FAll '08!