Why are sweaters considered wussy?

http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~moz/pictures/sweater.png

Thanks for the insight there, svend.

A quick google search reveals some fascinating opinions:

... least biased and most informed, I can tell you that NPR's audience is dominated by sweater wearing pussy do-gooders. Especially the call in shows. ...
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The Daily Bruin - Sound Bites
Hailing from Massachusetts, the Nields have actually amassed quite a devoted following among the East Coast, woven sweater wearing, latte drinking,

Scout.com: Why is Obama being popular with our allies a bad thing?
And of course the Europian, fleece sweater-wearing, latte-liberals love this guy, he's one of them! He wants diplomacy and a huge entitlement-giving ...
mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=14&f=2819&t=2706110 - 48k

Be a Man and Cry Once in a While!
Singing, dancing, tight leather pants, validation that changing a "bad boy" into a sweater wearing wuss is possible--all things that chicks dig. ...
www.angelfire.com/tv2/gilmoreguys/chickmovies.htm - 12k

http://www.onlinesales4less.com/sweaterAcrylicCommando.jpg

I don't know about sweaters, but I wear a jumper every day.

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

I only own two sweaters and one of them is a promotional Ugly Duckling sweater circa 2001 so maybe there is an answer there somehow

ladies and gents,

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/severe.jpg

fuck you if you can't take a sweater.

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

I have directed this question at Jordan before, who claims not to wear sweaters, and lives in Madison, WI. He said something about a coat. Which is, yeah, prolly adequate for warmth alone, but that seems like bread and water. Why not layer? Add another piece to the outfit? Accessorize!

Oh no I just answered the thread question.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9338/freshnessstarterjacket0jq1.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/severe.jpg
you

Does this behavior have an origin in ... rockism???

No, it has its origin in pickled eggs.

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

Flannels and chamois. Thermal undershirts. Put that under a coat and you're good.

i have never once encountered this attitude

Neither have I, truth be told. Is is some kinda east coast thing? I grew up in texas, where sweaters are so unnecessary that there aren't any around to think of as wussy, and now I live in Chicago where there are about four months of the year where if you're not wearing a sweater, you're probably stuffing newspapers in your shirt and hoping you live through the night. So again, no judgment.

Yeah, me neither. But then I live in Norway, where you'd be a fool not to have sweaters and scarves (I seem to recall us having a similar thread about the latter)

Is there a genuine difference between sweaters, pullovers and jumpers, or do people tend to use those words interchangeably?

In the US, I think a jumper is definitely the kind of thing we'd just call a sweater, and a pullover is the kind of thing we'd also call a sweater a of of the time, but is more like a hoodie without the full front zipper, in which case we'd call it a hoodie.

You say tomato...

jumper

http://shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/shops/RaygillClothing/images/catalog/gordon_jumper__350_x_335_.jpg

pullover

http://www.bitspn.com/images/Classic_Pullover.jpg

I guess a pullover is kind of anything that you have to pull over your head? And is also outerwear?

Hm, dictionary.com sez this about Pullover:
"–noun
1. Also called slipover. a garment, esp. a sweater, that must be drawn over the head to be put on."

Makes sense to me. Though, uh, I hadn't heard of "slipovers" before. GIS reveal these fearsome things:
http://www.kilkeelknitwear.com/Cricket_slipover.JPG

but is more like a hoodie without the full front zipper, in which case we'd call it a hoodie.

Either could also be called a sweatshirt.

I've tried the sweater thing, particularly after the fashion of the "jumper" man from Kenan's pic, on top of a collared shirt. I didn't look quite as dapper though. Some dudes can look very handsome in that look. Some can't.

Maybe it has something to do with sweaters being knitted by grandmas and mummies and made in terrible colors and given to men for Christmas with much schmaltzy holding it up to the poor guy's shoulders to predict whether it'll fit?

That said, I'm from Michigan and my dad the manly man wears sweaters.

There are manly sweaters availablte but in general sweaters tend to be more delicate. You can't exactly go running through the woods climbing over rocks, hills, and fires in a $400 piece of cashmere.

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i have never once encountered this attitude

Me neither.

to the extent this attitude actually exists, i imagine it's found primarily in the west, and primarily in its warmer parts

it's 'i am not an eastern preppy type'

I live in northeast Ohio. I wear a lot of those LL Bean-type zip-front sweaters during the winter. Anyone who has an issue with it is welcome to pay my heating bill.

it's possible that it has invaded other parts of the country that are heavily mediated by southern california and where sweaters might not be required

burt dude, you really need to get over this "looking like a homo" fixation re: clothing

i mean, you obviously have some issues to resolve but this "homo --> no homo" spectral analysis of clothes is really tepid

Burt's the one who puts a bucketload of gel in his hair, right? Burtie, I'd be much more concerned with said "fixation."

Those llbean sweaters Pancakes is talking about are pretty sweet actually.

"do these pants make my ass look gay?"

Turtleneck-hate is a separate issue, right?

i love a man in a wussy sweater

This should be ILS's promo thread!

What do non-sweater-wearing "real men" wear in the winter then?

either hoodies, or a tank top and pretend they're not cold and you are a pussy for needing a sweater.

Booger would wear a hoodie. Ted McGinley's character would wear a tennis-type sweater.

maybe a fair-isle knit featuring the 'mudflap girl' silhouette might be masculine enough?

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/53000350/Images/7/BLM937_Sweaters067.jpg

The one thing I don't like about summer is not being able to wear a sweater (the v-neck over the shirt kind)

oh yeah, "jumper" for you fruitcakes across the pond. I'm not talking about any kind-of "homo" thing, I mean the association is that sweaters = sensitive, even here in the Northeast. Maybe Mr. Rogers or some shit like that?

I also can't believe people actually think that Hot Chips glasses person was me.

http://www.nataliedee.com/031507/i-love-sweater.jpg

http://images.elfwood.com/art/d/i/dillydally/sock_puppet.jpg

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p-32493-41065P_007-dog.jpg

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p-32521-41071P_013-dog.jpg

^1st results for "dog hoodie" and "dog sweater"

What need does a dog have for kangaroo pockets? He doesn't have any thumbs!!?

for plastic baggies

http://media.virginmega.fr/Covers/Large/CIR/5033281001577.jpg

sweaters == wool == sheep == timid wussy animals

sturt banton

SOmehow I have lost all but two of my sweaters on vacations over the past two years, including my faves beautiful charcoal cashmere cardigan that has been my standby for years in both "damn I am comfortable" and "damn if I don't look especially attractive in this piece of clothing." It is tearing my heart two pieces, esp. since it is only like six weeks until sweater weather here!

Missing u cardigan.

Do you know how hard it is to find a piece of clothing that makes you feel perfect and comfortable AND is also v flattering? At least one that I can afford?

Oh man it's like I lost my hard drive contents or something.

I have a sweater addiction problem. There are three giant wooden crates full of sweaters in our bedroom and a mountain of sweaters above it that don't fit inside the crates anymore. I could wear a different one every day for a month and not repeat. It's *bad*. I think I got this way because I"m a pack rat, buy them at thrift stores for not much money, and receive them at Christmas, and treat myself to ones that I like, and snoop for weird old ones on Ebay. Now I'm like one of those crazy old ladies with a million cats, but with sweaters.

I wld adopt some.

I should do a purge and set some free to good homes.

On the "wussy" question, I do recall that back in the 90s hipster queers used to refer to wealthy assimilationist gay men as "sweater queens", so there's more background support for the notion. But dammit they are warm and cozy so fuck that.

Wearing a sweater means that you are wearing a sweater. And that's all.

I think sweaters remind people of Mr Rogers and Stuart Smiley, rendering them eternally wussy.

HOWEVER, as they are now experiencing a wave of popularity among black & latino kids from the bronx & harlem, i think they will lose their stigma.

as a sidenote, middle aged people in NYC do this thing (much like how they say "on line" when they mean "in line") where they refer to sweatshirts as sweaters. it makes me confused.

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"on line" to mean "in line" is an NYC metro area thing. If you're from the area you say it, including ole burty himself. kinda like "plain pie" for pizza.

But yeah, the dapper sweater look definitely seems popular with the black youth.

Starting around Halloween I tend to wear sweaters full time until the end of March. They are warm. I spend a lot of time in a poorly heated bus next to an open window (it's always open regardless of the weather, to improve my ability to see my side mirror). I don't wear them for looks, but I think they look pretty good, too.

I am starting to drift towards Cosby sweater territory with some recent Missoni-on-the-cheap-via-Ebay purchases. Cosby sweaters are one of the Bermuda Triangles of fashion, so beware . . .

for example- where you folks stand on this bad boy right here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MISSONI-Wool-Cardigan-Coat-Jacket-Leather-Button-NWT_W0QQitemZ230294801874QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230294801874&_trkparms=72%3A1210|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

so i was just reading thru the rest of this thread.... what is a "turtleneck sweater"??? like the neck part is also made out of sweater? i don't think i have ever seen such a thing, it sounds terrifying.

I am starting to drift towards Cosby sweater territory OMG, I would kill for Cosby's sweater collection, I love old jumpers, Oxfam is my friend, they're best when they don't fit just right.

the golfier the better

xactly

put a sweater on, take a drug, listen to this. pass out. pinnacle of existence.

somebody tell me if that item I linked to up there is hideous or awesome, please

I need a sweater intervention

It's funny, I'm wearing what I'm pretty sure is the only hoodie I've owned since I was at least 10.

and yeah, that jumper is really really cool

i feel it drew but u gotta wear it with confidence, falter for one minute and everyone will see thru ur panache and hurl invective at u

i have one hoodie, it's pink and huge and i only wear it when i've taken ecstasy and stayed up all night the night before.

it's good for 2 min journey to buy juice with hood up in this scenario.

the missoni sweater linked is beautiful!

Yeah, I was considering bidding. Too broke though. Actually, really, $200 for an old jumper? Srsly, OXFAM or Salvation Army or whatever.

Missoni, Shmissoni

Oh shit, I just remembered. 90s emo. Lock thread.

i never forgot

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oAgX7ePyL._SL500_.jpg

Another wussy.

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I'll say this much for sweaters: they're not terribly durable as a shell material. I don't think I've a single sweater that doesn't have a snagged thread unravelling somewhere from bark/brush or simply leaning against a brick wall.

Just re-bought an LL Bean sweater that has been a staple of my winter-wear ever since Pancakes Hackman mentioned them upthread. But for the first time, I noticed this blurb on their website.

This versatile wardrobe essential is destined to be the hardest working sweater in your wardrobe – wear it on its own or layer it over a tee or button-down for midweight warmth and classic style.

Can a sweater be worn on its own? It has never occurred to me not to layer them.

girls do it all the time

not this one
gross

I'd wear a fine merino or soft cotton jumper without anything under it.

i walked by noam chomsky a few months ago (he smiled and said "hello") and he had on that rad chunky grayish blue crew neck he always wears. i'd love to have that same sweater.

https://dalenorgedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/tumblr_lum3lsjnjc1qgjw0po1_500.png

^connoisseur of fuzz

Meanwhile, Paul Weller

https://realstarsarerare.com/shop/knitwear

http://realstarsarerare.com/resize/files/grey%20navy%20star%20knit_360x455-1589d4.jpg

Wuss.
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/ro64h.7c5ab/v/vspfiles/photos/925112-2.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2m6ivJNtl1qfo1o9o7_250.gif

I wear a sweater on its own and I take "on it own" quite literally

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I didn't mean to just image bomb that Audrey Horne gif. Meant to add that sweaters on their own were a good look for Gloria Grahame, Lana Turner, Ann-Margret and many more (and obviously influenced Mr. Lynch.) Still a good look imo.

agl isn't gonna keep those sweaters from smelling like armpits within a few wearings

More Wussy overkill.

wearing a sweater over a shirt always seems like a waste of a good shirt to me.

Oh shit, I just remembered. 90s emo. Lock thread.

― burt_stanton, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:16 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some dudes I know conjured up a fake emo band called October's Broken Sweater for general joke-making.

Call it The October Broken Sweater Project and you've got a hit.

Damn my own joke for sending me down a youtube k-hole.