Has anyone here done this - incorporated themselves for tax purposes?
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/infoAndGuide/companyRegistration.shtml
Is it hard and complicated and scary, or is it easy? Does it really have all the tax advantages that my headhunter says it will have?
Can I do it myself or should I use one of those "we do everything for £25!!!" type places?
Or should I just give up and go to a Wealth Manager (ha ha ha)?
Eeeeep!
― Masonic Boom, Friday, 8 August 2008 14:10 (seventeen years ago)
I think you only need a Ltd Co if you're going to be making and spending loads of money and need the VAT registration and things - you'll probably be ok with being a sole trader. It's free to set up and it's really easy to do it all over the phone. http://www.bytestart.co.uk/content/19/19_1/limited-company-or-sole-t.shtml (I couldn't find a handy guide on the hmrc website, although there probably is one somewhere).
― Bocken Social Scene, Friday, 8 August 2008 14:20 (seventeen years ago)
Incorporating a company is a doddle. Even more doddly is buying an off the shelf company (price varies) and changing its name (£10 or £50 if you want same day service). Sole traderism is not a good idea if you are actually trading - your personal assets are gettable by your creditors if your business owes them money. Setting up a company ring fences your liabilities.
― calumerio, Friday, 8 August 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)
Umbrella companies? Anyone? Why does this all have to be so confusing?
(I'm not actually trading, just contract working. For now.)
― Masonic Boom, Monday, 11 August 2008 08:01 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, if you are good at paperwork and paying bills on time (and judging by your comments on Watercooler, you is), it's worth the hassle and yes it is easy to set up.
Pick a cool name, add "Ltd" and you're away.
Of course, getting a 'general' trading company means you can do any kind of work / get paid through it. Be your own record/art company as well!
― Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2008 10:48 (seventeen years ago)
.. plus, charge your utensils and get the VAT back, and so on...
― Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2008 10:49 (seventeen years ago)
I am certainly NOT good at paying bills on time and remembering paperwork. Which reminds me... council tax! Argh! At least I narrowly managed to avoid going into the overdraft this month so I can pay it now.
Being mine own record company would be good, mind you.
― Masonic Boom, Monday, 11 August 2008 11:22 (seventeen years ago)
Umbrella companies are great if you're just gonna be contracting for another firm - they pay the umbrella company, then the umbrella company pays you through normal PAYE, need for you to set yourself up as a ltd co. And apparently most of the tax loopholes you got as a ltd co. have been closed, in the IT industry anyway, so there's no longer a tax advatnage to doing it.
― ledge, Monday, 11 August 2008 11:37 (seventeen years ago)
IR35 is the new tax thingy. If your contract means you work as though you were a direct employee of the company - at their premises, using their equipment - then you get taxed at a similar rate, the benefits and savings you could have made as a ltd co no longer apply.
― ledge, Monday, 11 August 2008 11:43 (seventeen years ago)
ah, so buy/use your own laptop.
If the company you are at refuse to let you use yours, well, that's not altering the fact that you 'use' your own, or at least have it with you, etc/.
― Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2008 11:56 (seventeen years ago)
Well it's not quite that simple. Here's an overview of the kind of questions used to determine whether one is an employer or employee: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/index.htm#1
― ledge, Monday, 11 August 2008 12:04 (seventeen years ago)
erk, i mean whether one is employed or self-employed
― ledge, Monday, 11 August 2008 12:05 (seventeen years ago)
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?
Whoa! That was a big no question right there!
― Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2008 12:15 (seventeen years ago)
so if you are a self-employed contractor you can't bill your clients by the hour?
― ken c, Monday, 11 August 2008 12:18 (seventeen years ago)
if i were to want to start a ltd company (or sole trader), and need an accountant - how much per year is that likely to set me off?
and if i have the time is it possible to do the accounting myself?
― ken c, Monday, 11 August 2008 12:19 (seventeen years ago)
You can, but you'll need accountants to ratify and do the statutory paperwork.
Thesedays, it's probably easier and better to pay a %age to an umbrella company.
But then ...
― Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2008 12:24 (seventeen years ago)
Wait, wait, I might get a bonus if I refer you to my umbrella company! I'll split it with you!
(I have no idea if mine is any good or not, I picked it at random from a list provided by my agent.)
― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 18:56 (seventeen years ago)
which one? i went with parasol on friends recommendation but they're all probably all much of a muchness.
when i say "went with" i mean signed up with two months ago but have not had a lick of work since ;_;
― ledge, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 21:39 (seventeen years ago)
What sort of order of scale are the tax advantages? 10% of salary, or more?
From the IR35 guidance, it says:
The worker could take the money out of the intermediary, normally a Personal Service Company, in the form of dividends instead of salary. As dividends are not liable to NICs, the use of a dividend remuneration strategy results in the worker paying less in NICs than either a conventional employee or a self-employed person. And PAYE would not apply to the dividends.
Does this save enough to be worthwhile?
And is there a problem later with state pension etc if you haven't paid your NICs?
― Bob Six, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
Damn, Ledge - that's who I'm on! Wish I'd known that was who you were with, or I could have given you the recommendation £££.
― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 07:16 (seventeen years ago)