Help me understand the economy please. Who's tax plan is better, Obama's or McCain's?

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obama, mccain

CaptainLorax, if you keep trolling this obviously, I will ban you.

Do you even pay taxes? I'm guessing you get a refund, if it is in fact you do make over $3k a year. You don't own property, etc...does this even matter to you?

Also there is yahoo answers for this kind of thing.

believe me, I tried yahoo answers, their answers are terrible. than I tried another forum. this was my conclusion:

"I guess I have to consider where the taxes are going before I decide whether a tax increase or decrease is better for me (and my income bracket). Actually, I don't believe I'll care no matter what income bracket I'm in because if "paying someone else's share" (or however the poster below me wants to spin it) is going to help good government programs that I support, than I don't care. McCain fans like to argue all the flaws of these programs but never mention the overwhelming benefits for our brotherin (fellow Americans). It seems like McCain fans are like "why help anybody, it's a dog eat dog world and I'm only in it for my own personal gains"

I found an large tax plan analysis as well, but as I read it, it failed to mention that some people don't mind paying more to support health care and education etc.... (I could tell the writer was an McCain fan even though what he chose to analyze was very professional)."

www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_CandidateTaxPlans.pdf

Are you just asking whose tax plan is better FOR THE ECONOMY? Because that's only one of several things that might make a tax plan "better" or "worse."

I'm trying to incorporate every thing possible and then pass judgments on what pieces are more important. Like a pie chart that.

Do you pay taxes, tho?

I'm about to with my first full-time job starting at 31k-40k

I should be getting paid more with a top college bachelors degree in statistics. I think in terms of pieces and the importance of each piece partly because I will be a statistician.

Fuck the average starting salary for someone who just graduated with a bachelors degree is 46k

That can't be right surely? In pounds that's like £23k which is pretty piss-poor for a grad.

Captain Lorax please learn the difference b/w "than" and "then" and get back to us ok thnx bye

1) Don't be converting anything into pounds to figure out what's normal
2) That seems slightly high to me, too, but in any event the average is pretty worthless unless you're comparing within your own field of work or major

That can't be right surely? In pounds that's like £23k which is pretty piss-poor for a grad.

welcome to america!

3) I have no idea what kind of moral/political pie chart you are going to use to balance considerations like "social justice" and "economic stimulus" and on and on; nobody is going to be able to tell you a tax plan is good or bad except insofar as you already have priorities

moral pie chart! awesome, I want one

You have to weigh certain things more than other things (and to the guy who corretced my speling - dude, I never edit my posts because this ain't school - I type fast and I don't care about spelling.. I'm not ocd like that).

so weighing everything according to significance is important when I make a decision on which candidate I'll vote for. That's what I'm getting at, and yes, I feel like I should be making more for a college grad from a top college with a degree in statistics... but I guess I chose the wrong major and should have picked physical therapy or something stupid. I wish I researched average starting salaries for different majors ahead of time, but I assumed getting a government job with statistics would offer higher entry level pay. damn bush.

I been eating enough humble pie...curious as to what this moral pie tastes like. I am assuming it is stuffed with delicious mushrooms whose caps look like elongated honeycombs.

If you are saying "damn bush" then maybe...that...could be...something to look at? when looking at candidates? Similarities to him?

Maybe the fact that you have a hard time sorting through the readily available wealth of information about both candidates and creating a system for comparison of their positions is why you'll be making a below average salary compared to other statisticians.

see first somebody asks this question on ILX and you go "jesus what the fuck is this troll doing" and then the guy goes "I just got top degree in STATISTICS" and you go "a HA"

Man, there is a billion pieces to this pie, and some are of other pieces... and some combination's work better together. It's overwhelming, especially when the internet is TMI and biased. There's an inherit complexity in politics, and to see and predict outcomes from both candidates plans is going to take a lot of work just because there are so many details. It's like signing a 25 page contract with a lot of fine print that looks like hoopla, but you ought to read it anyways.

and my starting salary is average for other entry level statisticians Mr. I DIED.

to have an extremely educated choice, I would have to read and read and analyze and research previous wars and previous conflicts, and who's funding who globally, and the exact places all the tax will go (and I know there will be plenty of ill funding of congressmen) and just beginning to understand the corrupt placement of funds vs. how important that the program is being funded anyways....etc..etc...tmi

that's why I like neat little charts that try to cover everything

but to best understand who I should vote for, I would need an encyclopedia all these little summary charts

do you have no historical framework on which to base a guess? short history lesson: supply side trickle down economics just makes rich people richer and destroys the middle and lower class. some people don't give a shit.

basing a guess on a president can be deadly. I have a hunch though

still a better thread than FUTURE THREAD: It's September 2008. Explain to me why I should vote for Hillary instead of Giuliani.

i would love to be making 40k right now

i could do a lot with that extra money

like pay captainlorax to never post again

I seriously have no idea what he is even asking here. He seems to be asking "which candidate's tax plan do I like better." Maybe we're supposed to guess?

it is confusing. depending on your social and philosophical outlook, the answer is probably going to be different, lorax. obviously you must understand this?

can you guys pose those questions in pie chart format please

here's a chart of my opinion of captainlorax over the last two minutes

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(ancient joke lifted from mark s, come back young man)

basing a guess on a president can be deadly. I have a hunch though

-- CaptainLorax, Friday, 15 August 2008 14:18 (4 hours ago) Link

meaning what he says even though he's not saying what he means

That's very insensitive of you considering that he was talking about his hunchback.

all is forgiven if he lets me rub his hunch for good luck

humor analysis
i would love to be making 40k right now
i could do a lot with that extra money
like pay captainlorax to never post again
-- max, Friday, 15 August 2008
how long did it take you to come up with that joke? not funny, get a job.

can you guys pose those questions in pie chart format please
-- dan m, Friday, 15 August 2008
creative, relevant, funny because he mentioned pie charts

moral pie chart! awesome, I want one
-- HI DERE, Thursday, 14 August 2008
pie chart again. not funny, but in this case awesome.

here's a chart of my opinion of captainlorax over the last two minutes
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(ancient joke lifted from mark s, come back young man)
-- goole, Friday, 15 August 2008
same type of humour max was trying to get at, but better. dry wit still. maybe sarcastic nerds and "suck it to you" guys find this funny.

That's very insensitive of you considering that he was talking about his hunchback.
-- HI DERE, Friday, 15 August 2008
funny, in an off the wall makes you smile kind of way. props. not a joke in the traditional sense - that's a good thing. traditional jokes don't work in most cases (the same old joke isn't very funny) so goofy comments is where it's at.

http://www.hyperdeathbabies.com/anomaly/images/046-pacman-pie-chart.gif
comic strip about a pie chart that's shaped like pac man. funny to describe. sort of funny to read. but really not that funny at all.

all is forgiven if he lets me rub his hunch for good luck
-- BLACK BEYONCE, Friday, August 15
run on joke, uhhh, bizarre, props, good humored comment just meant to be a comment and not a joke. much better this way.

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humor analysis

^^^ we need more of that around here, xpost to captain lorax

A senior policy analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation, Rea Hederman Jr. ... said the middle class would likely pay less under Mr. Obama's plan than Mr. McCain's but that the Democrat was excessively reliant on complicated tax breaks that would make the tax code more confusing. "Instead of a grab bag of tax credits, lower the marginal rates," Mr. Hederman said.

Senior policy analyst for ILX applauds Heritage Foundation for admitting this, but notices they've had to rely on complicated rhetorical caveats to make it sound like it might somehow be a bad things

CptLorax, maybe this will help you out. McCain wants to tax the middle class on their health care. So if your new job comes will health care, he's going to increase taxes on you even while lowering taxes on the wealthy. Obama is going to pretty much do the opposite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/offthebus-listening-post/mccain-camp-claims-obama_b_119000.html

Also, http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/08/14/mccain%E2%80%99s-plan-to-tax-health-insurance/

Basically, per Yglesias: "Specifically, at the moment compensation you receive from your employer in the form of money is subject to income tax, but compensation you receive from your employer in the form of employer contributions to health insurance premiums is not taxed. McCain proposes to change this and start subjecting those benefits to taxation. Some people, obviously, don’t have employer provided health insurance in which case this won’t make any difference to them. But for those of us who do get insurance through work, this is a very big increase."

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yay! I guess that solves my tax issue. now if only there was another issue to base my vote on...

but 45k is the cut off line so the chart should have made 45k as a cut off line instead of $37,596-$66,354

http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/your_chance_to_go_to_school_on_tanehisi.php

compensation you receive from your employer in the form of employer contributions to health insurance premiums is not taxed. McCain proposes to change this and start subjecting those benefits to taxation.

I'd get behind this as long as there was a comprehensive national health care program that covered everything and everybody.

In whipped cream.

Tracer, McCain is against a National Health Care program.

OK then I'm against his proposal. Ha! Take that McCain!

lol. I just meant - you'd be pro forcing people to pay towards their healthcare, assuming healthcare was universal. Which he obviously isn't offeing.

Offering*

I was eating a delicious Skor bar, but now I'm thinking about my teeth. *Sigh*

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^^ would really like a more in-depth/credible analysis of this that I can show my tax-weary middle-class republican mom

(aka source plz)

WASHINGTON POST

same peoples who took down nixon

http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/election_issues_matrix.cfm