Dreadful, twee horseshit marketed to "indie" types that fratboys watch to look smart and housewives watch to look hip

This is like the movie equivalent of a Sigur Ros album

kindly remove sideways from that list, sir

Could Ten Things I Hate About You be the genesis?

sideways, the movie about two middle aged losers?

i like little miss sunshine too (a movie about middle aged people & old people & little kids) but whatever

two for the road

breakfast at tiffany's

chet baker records

what a great thread that address some immediate concerns of mine

im glad someone's out there to tell the truth about these movies

I sure do hate those frat boys

These films are simply a sub-species of the larger genre of horseshit movies. There is nothing special about them except where they fish for an audience.

Challopey C. Challoparten

fuckin housewives. fuck those housewives, is what i'm saying to you right now.

max this might not be the most incisive of threads, nay, it may be kinda obvious, but yr ubiquitous smug snark'n'ride is rly beginning to piss a lot of ppl off

;_;

hey jagger stfu

want to see this list of a lot of ppl

i'm pretty pissed about max's mugabe act in those HS elections, myself

B'fast at Tiffany's = CLASSIC. the rest = Horseshit

what the hell fratboys you know watch breakfast at tiffany's

Congrats on the worst ILX thread that wasn't started by Tuomas this week.

Max is on the money though.

some of my best friends are fratboys

housewives, tho, god. motherFUCK housewives.

This seems like a good thread in which to say that either I don't grok Breakfast at Tiffany's or I just plain don't like it. Is that defensible?

i can't say personally, but i[ve heard the book is the way to go with BAT

http://www.roguevalleyrn.com/img/weingarten_rights.gif

i don't know about what else but the venn overlap between housewife and fratboy viewership definitely includes WEEDS

whiney i hope you remember this, i got butthurt on yr behalf for no apparently good reason

all i'm saying is that even if a thread is rly crass and obvious, don't be a superior dick

superior dick vs telling people how to post

http://www.indiehousewives.com/ is available

asking for someone not to be a dick vs deliberately misconstruing that request in order to set up a loaded question

I liked Little Miss Sunshine. It didn't have that self-conscious "I'm so cute and hip and clever" vibe that made Garden State and Juno so irritating. It was basically just a family movie, but with more interesting characters. Also, I liked that the little girl in was just an ordinary little girl, not this sort smart-assed semi-adult prodigy that kids in these sort of movies tend to be.

"the little girl in it"

whiney i hope you remember this, i got butthurt on yr behalf for no apparently good reason

Is this thread about The Shings?

dealing with a personal greivance personally vs. inventing a "lot of people" who share your greivance

I enjoyed LMS and Juno. There is such a dearth of well-made, entertaining (albeit slight) movies in this world, and I am just interested in being entertained for a couple of hours on a Friday night. I could give two shits who else might be watching the movie and who some cynical studio huckster sees as the target audience.

I'm tired of dismissing things because of what I think they represent, rather than just enjoying them for what they are.

is this cause i wanted you banned from noize again louis

well the whole "board lawyer" ruckus wasn't just me was it

no max ah sheesh it's coz yr all over ilx making snarky judgements, it ain't cool, just leave ppl be, i know hatin' deeznuts is fashionable (for instance) and often merited but your latest thread-bump of "what is up with deeznuts" just wasn't necessary, or pleasant

anyway look we get enough antipathy on ILX anyway, i'm taking an extended break from this argument, everyone chill out and stop acting like they own the fkn place

pretty please

garden state left me with a feeling of bile rising in my throat

aw louis i bump that thread every time deeznuts is annoying, not just when its fashionable to do so

and its always with advice not snark

I'm tired of dismissing things because of what I think they represent, rather than just enjoying them for what they are.

OTM. But Sideways still sucks shit.

"i don't know about what else but the venn overlap between housewife and fratboy viewership definitely includes WEEDS"

-- elmo argonaut

OTM elmo, weird, ain't it?

I'm tired of dismissing things because of what I think they represent, rather than just enjoying them for what they are.

this is what i always hear from people who defend DFW's Infitie Jest but that doesn't mean it is a good or enjoyable book

If I felt something was enjoyable for what it was, I wouldn't have the impulse to dismiss it for what it represented.

hmm, ok. definitely not worth a fight over! i need to not drink and post, sometimes

The Graduate.

Hey juno fans/haters what you guys think about "hard candy" in comparison?

hard candy is dumb gay trash in comparison to anything

but is it fit for twee housewives?

when a middle school teacher who is also a weekday drunk and general lowlife is actually a v. sensitive artist with a novel that no editor can see the brilliance of it is twee imo.

Wait, is that the plot of sideways? It does read like a story-within-the-song from Belle and Sebastian's Tigermilk.

And what are the common characteristics in these movies that drive you guys nuts? As others have said, a lot of the films listed are technically quite different from one another.

does "Kids Are All Right" belong here?

I just saw the trailer for that, and, while I don't think it looks amazing, it seems like it may be the first relatively wide-release American film that centers on a lesbian nuclear family, and I feel like it deserves some credit for that.

it's been getting great reviews, was wondering if there's going to be a backlash

It's definitely the movie equivalent of a book club book. But I find a genuine backlash hard to believe unless you mean one coming from the more radical part of the lesbian community.

no, more that any decent indie flick tends to get overrated because it's put in opposition to cgi flix and then a modest film gets sort of blown up and then people expect too much from it....or something

500 days of summer is definitely the worst in this case. oh wow he listens to the smiths. so indie.

The Graduate.

― Eazy, Thursday, August 21, 2008

wtf does this mean? there were no indie types in 1967, just "discontented youth"

I presume they mean that this has moved into being a movie that people watch for the reprehensible purposes Whiney explained.

what up yo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences

fuck this fuckin thread

wishin fratboys and housewives the best in 2012

fratwives and houseboys

if only

Just old words for "Tumblr Whites".

where have you gone, joe dimaggio
the nation turns its lonely eyes to you
whoo whoo whoo

you can replace joe dimaggio with whiney weingarten and the lyric still scans

nah, just fuck amateurist and ILE not understanding anything pre-T*r*ntino

where have you gone, joe dimaggio
the nation turns its lonely eyes to you
whoo whoo whoo

I think it's possible that part of the lyric is not heard in The Graduate, btw, bcz it wan't written yet. Nichols asked S&G for some music in the climax and they just stuck the name "Mrs Robinson" into an unfinished song.

Sideways wasn't bad, but youd have to strap me in a chair to get me to watch the other 3 films in Whiney's 1st post btw

I've probably seen The Graduate 25 times, but I had to double-check--you're right, no Joe DiMaggio. The relevant section (start around 6:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5gb79X2ZG8&feature=related

I think it is the template for films like Garden State (so-so example) and Rushmore (superior example)--it, The Sterile Cuckoo, The Heartbreak Kid, and a few others. Not for Sideways, though.

I love the Graduate but hated GS. Rushmore is pretty good although I'm not the biggest WA fan. Did not like sideways. I haven't seen the others.

Not that you asked. lol.

Whatever one thinks about Sideways--I liked it a lot the first time, a little less when I went back--it doesn't belong with all these other films for the simple reason that it's about middle-aged people (also, music plays no appreciable role that I can remember). I think you can make a case that Sideways and Broken Flowers and Lost in Translation are where the Benjamin Braddocks end up one day, but that's a little different. (One thing I love about Rushmore is that it--loosely speaking--pits Jason Schwartzman's Ben Jr. vs. Bill Murray's Ben Sr.)

This is like the movie equivalent of a Sigur Ros album

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:36 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

word

Surely we can agree on this:

http://www.thefilminformant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Restless-Poster-2.jpg

"ubiquitous smug snark'n'ride"

The Magnificent Ambersons

Persona

Triumph of the Will

^^ kinda lacking in the "twee" dept.

Der Shins will change your life

certified copy

Just sayin', or was sayin', no Graduate, no Harold and Maude, then no Garden State and no Juno.

What's the difference between indie and independent?

Independent:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EmK-piaFmmI/TM4nGwY546I/AAAAAAAAACg/eaLt9d7ojMw/s1600/graduate460.jpg

Independent:
http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/3412/230225-harold_and_maude.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/07/garden-state-456fp072610.jpg

In Garden State Zach Braff demonstrate his firm grasp of the craft of twee-inflected, pixie-poisoned pastiche.

Devo were on to something...

I haven't seen "Garden State," but there isn't anything twee about the other three movies on that list. "Little Miss Sunshine" was smug and twee is not smug. "Juno" was sarcastic and twee is not sarcastic. OK, to be honest, I don't remember very much about "Sideways," but it was about middle age, wasn't it? So I don't think it could be twee because twee denies the existence of middle age.

"Juno" was sarcastic and twee is n

OK those songs were twee.

btw I just read on Wiki that Fox first thought of hiring Buck Henry to adapt Fight Club, since one of the producers saw it as the '90s version of The Graduate.

Picturing the 1969 Fight Club, starring Dustin Hoffman, Jack Nicholson, and...who's the gal?

no, u need an Adonis for the Pitt part

http://treeswingers.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/simongarfunkel.png

the first rule of fro club is you don't talk about fro club