Government to "database every call, email, and act of online usage by every resident of UK" OH JOY

Holy shit.

Cameron's a shoe-in.

lol you kay

fuck this.

but yeah yeah bring on the new 'they can't READ all of them stoopid' replies, let's 'ave it.

I'm having trouble believing what I'm reading in that article. Insane.

I'll believe it when it happens

Why read all of them, when you can just wait until someone is successful and then nail them for checking the ILX NSFW thread 10 times in one day in July 2008? (not that I would do such a thing)

Where does this information come from? What are Grayling's sources for this?

I pity the poor database admin who has to work on the sick blighted project.

I suspect someone's pulling old AC's plonker here

LOCAL COUNCILS WTF

wow

Nice to see you guys are test-piloting America's future

Do you think if I start typing MY BUILDING HAS FOUR FLATS IN IT in every single email or text I ever send, then the Council will eventually get the message and put my neighbours in their own flats for the next electoral register?

this is pretty old news

What are Grayling's sources for this?

The Daily Mail, but of course...

LOCAL COUNCILS WTF

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

they already use anti-terrorist legislation to check up on people not picking up dogshit, misfiling their recycling, faking their kids' address to get in the right school, etc.

xpost

yeah good point ned: the mail reported it, it must be TORY LIES.

UK way more WTF than Texas.

We also have unicorns wandering about with leprechauns on their backs

They won't get this through Parliament.

So why aren't they doing anything about my bastard dogshitting neighbours, then?

THERE ARE FOUR FLATS IN MY BUILDING, LAMBETH COUNCIL - FOUR!!!!

They won't get this through Parliament.

-- Matt DC, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

what with david davis's spectacular victory for liberty and england, this may be correct.

It's fucked up that anyone would even propose it.

So this is, essentially, to make ID cards look harmless by comparison?

(4 flats. FOUR of them. 1, 2, A and B.)

This is fucking stupid on almost every level imaginable. The mentality that would think this to be a good thing is bullshit, I mean if someone suggested that every postal letter should be opened and read, would they go for that too? On top of that, the expense of running such a database would be phenomenal, and given the levbel of phone/email/im traffic, surely unworkable?

LOL @ the poor sap who has to read a bunch of AIM room logs I guess?

Nice to see you guys are test-piloting America's future

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:36 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Probably true to say that nobody who isn't going to earn shitloads of £££$$$ from the implementation of this wants it, no matter where they live, but we're probably all going to get it, and none of us have any say in the matter whatsoever.

Even assuming this will actually happen in the way the quote suggests (dubious), the LibDems will vote against it, the Tories will vote against it even though they would do exactly the same thing, a huge number of Labour MPs will vote against it (what with them having diminished career prospects right now they'll be less worried about rebelling) and a number of senior Cabinet ministers will do the bare minimum when it comes to backing Gordon Brown up because they want him gone. I can't see it.

ah, the mail.

well, the guardian.

Two bullshit newspapers

Would the Tories do this? It seems like such a big government civil liberty issue that I can't see them doing so.

Since when have the Tories been interested in civil liberties?

Other than since finding out it might win them a few votes?

I should have put "big government" in inverted commas.

When it comes to non-economic factors like this they're basically authoritarian. They're talking the civil liberties talk now because it gives them the opportunity to attack the govt from both 'left' and right.

They will have to water this proposal down enormously to get it through the House of Lords as well.

i'm thinking there maybe something behind this, that it isn't media hot air, that we've kind of being going in this direction...

nick the tories would easily do this: lives are at stake, new terror paradigm, russians back in the game, et-fucking-cetera.

it's not like cameron was overjoyed by davis's experiment in libertarianism. tbh what with all the BLACK HELICOPTER shit already being pulled this is more like a bunch of spooks who like to spy and want to make it honest rather than a whole new thing.

xposts

Since when, in practice, have Tories been against big government?

The tories were very keen on civil liberties for Irish people in the 70s.

I guess.

more like a bunch of spooks who like to spy and want to make it honest rather than a whole new thing

I think this is probably true.

I think my brain is broken. I can't stop thinking about those lucrative contracts for DB developers and Data Analysts and I bet those contracts would run and run and run over with endless renewals as they keep f*cking the thing up...

NO! NO! BAD!!!!

FEED ME NOW!!!!

This pdf is the EU Directive to which this legislation relates for anyone who wants to look at the actual legislation.

"'ook at the actual legislation" more like HAVE THEIR INTEREST LOGGED ON A SHADOWY MI5 LIST.

Too late to worry about that I fear. I can remember being vetted by special branch and being very dissappointed that my previous radicalism of diligently being on every march going and shouting at nazis and the police had not been previously noted.

2010: USB stick with the database of every telephone call, email, and act of online usage by every resident of the UK lost on a train shocka

Am I right in my reading of the legislation that the information will be kept by the providers and then the police (or whoever) will have to apply to see them and after a while they will be destroyed?

What is to stop anyone planning anything terribly illicit or wicked on the internets from going to a web cafe and paying cash?

that's how i do it.

Usually China tests this kind of stuff for Americans but no one wants to read the online chats of a billion illiterate slant-eyed peasants.

xpost -- Or stealing the WiFi from another one of those four flats in Kate's building

They are all locked up tight with mad security. I tried stealing their bandwidth for years. Never got anywhere. :-(

If this system ever comes online, everybody get a twitter account and see how long it is before the whole thing grinds to a halt.

DAMN that will be one dull-assed database, esp the cell conversations:

"I'm coming out of the library right now...yeah, now I'm getting on the bus."

Meanwhile, everyone uses Gmail and stores documents with googledocs and discusses their personal life on myspace/ilx/lj/facebook, all of which is already publically accessible anyway, dum de doo...

That's a choice, though. Governments forcibly logging EVERYTHING YOU DO without your consent is another matter entirely.

I'm not sure that most people who use Facebook, for example, are entirely aware of just what's happening with the data they enter into it.

lol at government caring what people on facebook are saying

lol at government caring what people on ilx are saying

ste, what's your point? that the government ought to be allowed access to whatever because hey they don't care about it really?

Why would they care abt facebook/ILX data compared to email data or forums or... ? Data is data to the feds.

By which I mean I'm sure 99% of us, the govt dont give a rats arse about. That isnt really the point though surely.

I only put into Facebook what I don't care about being distributed. Other people tag me in photos but cf=0 on that, really.

maybe there's a govt mole among us right now on ilx

Damn! cover blown!

a mole from the ministry? a music mole?

TBH I'd just assumed this had been going on for years.

a mole from the ministry? a music mole?

-- Autumn Almanac

Carry on, and have nothing to fear. Carry on talking about whatever you want.

What is inevitable is that all this personal data will end up being lost or flogged.

'lol your life isn't that interesting' = 'i want to say that if you've got nothing to hide you've nothing to fear but i know i'll get pwn3d'

lol at feds printing and flogging pages from ilx threads.

lol at ste's awesome attitude to fundamental liverties n'shit.

whoa relax dude, just making light of something that isn't even official yet

The database will only get lost and sold on ebay anyway.

As I indicated several posts ago.

Opps, sorry.

Pretend my post was a repeat of a topical news quiz.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8020039.stm

good use of £2bn i'm sure the labour stans will agree

I see Jacqui Smith's husband's worked out how to delete his History.

^
First Stalinist act by Nu-Lab, surely?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_johnston/blog/2009/03/25/now_the_government_wants_to_snoop_on_facebook

So the L. Jagger zing police was just the beginning.

LZBC, before the pogroms started

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cuban-rebels/revolutionaries-8.gif

zing denied xp

http://www.facebook.com/pages/cc-all-your-emails-to-Jacqui-Smith-Day/50749051786